No Demo for NHL 2K10

[Flyermania]

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Huh, you said I don't have a clue and I called you clueless and YOU GET OFFENDED? Wasn't it you who replied to me? Who have I jumped on for not feeling like I do? When did I say someone couldn't post an opposing opinion. Everything you said about me is pure fantasy because It's simply not true. I have as much right to love 2k hockey as many of you have to hate it and that doesn't bother me one bit. You and a few others can't stand the fact that I like everything 2k and you can't change my opinion and I understand that it's hard to accept but that's just the way it is.

Let's see...claiming that I am confused...referring to my speculation as "idiotic"...referring to "me and my buddies" with "mindless bashing". Very friendly vernacular. I am far from being "behind", and you "leading me out of the fog" is friggin' laughable. You tweak one slider. I was a Head Researcher on the NHL EHM games for the PC, so I have an idea of how things work. It's called experience. I also was selected my my peers on this site to represent OS at the EA event. "Lead me out of the fog" indeed.

I never said you couldn't like 2k. Please show me where I have said this. And while you're at it, please show me where I've said that I hate 2k. Didn't happen.

It's not hard to figure out that you like everything 2k. And dislike most of what is EA. Heck, I know what bias means. I also know that if 2 companies are selling the same type of product and one company sells a million and the other only 100,000 --- well, one company is in trouble. Getting back to my NHL EHM experience, that was a game that didn't sell enough due to piracy issues. Guess what happened? The game folded as it was not making enough money to support its development.

Even though you edited your previous post with a smiley to change the tone, it doesn't change the trend of you getting riled up if I, Realm, or anyone posts something negative about 2k. I am glad you are buying 2k. I am buying it too. The existence of two hockey games only makes them both better.

[Flyermania]

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I wrote a while back that I feel they're in a Catch 22 and have been for a while. They obviously need to get out there and market on some level, but it appears that because their games aren't selling well, money isn't made available to market their games properly.

I guess when I'm feeling compassionate, I really do see the bind they're in. And I appreciate they're no doubt working their butts off with a very small development team, trying to get this game finished up. December 2004 really did alter sports gaming, and to the detriment of 2K. It's sad.

I totally agree. But what gets me is the lack of effort as far as marketing goes...it's like they don't even try. I know EA's marketing budget is massive, but remember "Top Shelf Tuesdays" back with 2k4/2k5? The TV commercials with JR in hockey and TO for football? The aggressive $20 price tags that forced EA's hand?

Where is that effort today? Especially when social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. can be a low-cost and highly effective viral marketing tool.

[Scottdau]

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Let's see...claiming that I am confused...referring to my speculation as "idiotic"...referring to "me and my buddies" with "mindless bashing". Very friendly vernacular. I am far from being "behind", and you "leading me out of the fog" is friggin' laughable. You tweak one slider. I was a Head Researcher on the NHL EHM games for the PC, so I have an idea of how things work. It's called experience. I also was selected my my peers on this site to represent OS at the EA event. "Lead me out of the fog" indeed.

I never said you couldn't like 2k. Please show me where I have said this. And while you're at it, please show me where I've said that I hate 2k. Didn't happen.

It's not hard to figure out that you like everything 2k. And dislike most of what is EA. Heck, I know what bias means. I also know that if 2 companies are selling the same type of product and one company sells a million and the other only 100,000 --- well, one company is in trouble. Getting back to my NHL EHM experience, that was a game that didn't sell enough due to piracy issues. Guess what happened? The game folded as it was not making enough money to support its development.

Even though you edited your previous post with a smily to change the tone, it doesn't change the trend of you getting riled up if I, Realm, or anyone posts something negative about 2k. I am glad you are buying 2k. I am buying it too. The existence of two hockey games only makes them both better.

I agree, I like this post. I disagree with some things. but for the most I agree. IN my opinion Eddie and Realm are the same. The way he sticks up for EA game even in here is just like Eddie does for this game. I see no difference. I think having a demo would have been cool, but when you can't use sliders it really makes it a shell of a game. You can see some new animation and new graphics, but that is really all you will get with a demo. Maybe the AI would play better, but I just no.

[Eddie1967]

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I agree, I like this post. I disagree with some things. but for the most I agree. IN my opinion Eddie and Realm are the same. The way he sticks up for EA game even in here is just like Eddie does for this game. I see no difference. I think having a demo would have been cool, but when you can't use sliders it really makes it a shell of a game. You can see some new animation and new graphics, but that is really all you will get with a demo. Maybe the AI would play better, but I just no.

Your right about that Scott. It's the reason we clash so much.
But I'm seriously not trying to stifle anyone's negative opinion of 2k. It's the reason why I don't put anyone on ignore.

[tgalv]

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IN my opinion Eddie and Realm are the same. The way he sticks up for EA game even in here is just like Eddie does for this game. I see no difference.

one guy argues in favor of a superior game which their company and devs have worked hard on to create and market, and one guy argues in defense for a series which has done nothing but underwhelm and disappoint in recent years.

that seems like the exact opposite type of person to me.

[Scottdau]

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one guy argues in favor of a superior game which their company and devs have worked hard on to create and market, and one guy argues in defense for a series which has done nothing but underwhelm and disappoint in recent years.

that seems like the exact opposite type of person to me.

Well you call like you see I will call it like I see. Both will go to their gave defending their games. That is cool. I think 2k set up to the plate this year. Even the game AI looks better. And that is pretty much all we can ask for each year.

I think you are missing the point. They both defend their game to no ends. Even when someone said anything bad about there game. Eddie is getting better, Realm I don't know I have him on ignore. Any ways it does keep it exciting. Until a mod comes in and makes it stop.

[WeightRoomKing]

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First off, if you're not mature enough to have a discussion without trying to insult someone with another viewpoint then I suggest you put me on ignore. Or be a man and take it to a PM.

I am not confused one bit. I know how marketing works, and also realize how the lack of a demo can impact sales. All you need to do is actually read some of the posts in this thread to prove my point.

"Me and my buddies" should certainly be able to post our opinions in a discussion forum. Sorry if you can't deal with that. Perhaps the "ignore" button is your best option?

Negative feedback is not "mindless ripping". It's just an opinion that differs from yours. Ben Bishop has told me on several occasions that he values my feedback and feedback from others as it helps them make their game better. Perhaps you "are behind" as you can't seem to be able to grasp this concept.

I am concerned about 2k's sales as, unlike you, I will buy both hockey games as I feel competition is the only way either one will improve. Madden is a perfect example of how a lack of competition can impact quality.

You continually seem to have issues with anyone who doesn't look at 2k through the same rose-colored glasses that you do. I would feel remiss if I didn't once again recommend 2khockey.net for you as the 2-Kool Aid is always cold and you can bash EA freely until the cows come home.

So, in summary, I am someone who is buying both games. I am someone (unlike you) who has done this for the past 8 years now. I present the good and bad of each game so that the developers can take this mature, constructive feedback and improve the game.

Well said Flyer, well said.

I have been lurking for the longest, but I had to jump in this. Eddie needs to stop.....like now. The more he TRIES to convince someone, that 2K is the way to go, the more it looks like he is drowning.

I think we will have 2 very strong games this year.

[Eddie1967]

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Well you call like you see I will call it like I see. Both will go to their gave defending their games. That is cool. I think 2k set up to the plate this year. Even the game AI looks better. And that is pretty much all we can ask for each year.

I think you are missing the point. They both defend their game to no ends. Even when someone said anything bad about there game. Eddie is getting better, Realm I don't know I have him on ignore. Any ways it does keep it exciting. Until a mod comes in and makes it stop.

Yeah, I don't mind any and all opinions. It's really what these forums are all about. I'm excited either way. Life is great and 2k looks very good. It sucks that I won't be able to play until I get back from Roanoke on the 18.

[daflyboys]

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Well you call like you see I will call it like I see. Both will go to their gave defending their games. That is cool. I think 2k set up to the plate this year. Even the game AI looks better. And that is pretty much all we can ask for each year.

I think you are missing the point. They both defend their game to no ends. Even when someone said anything bad about there game. Eddie is getting better, Realm I don't know I have him on ignore. Any ways it does keep it exciting. Until a mod comes in and makes it stop.

I think you meant "step" up to the plate or "stepped" up to the plate and yet there is very little to base this on. Yet, someone else is missing the point .... but that's your M.O. I understand.

[MC Fatigue]

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It's pretty bad there's no demo. I think 2k10 looks great; and right now it's my only hope for a hockey game this year... However, I'm not sure I want to give 2k another $50 of my money without testing the product first. Bad, bad move on their part in not letting people try their game out.

[Keirik]

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This message has been deleted by Eddie1967. Reason: Responding only feeds the idiocy .

this is the exact reason why honestly it's hard to take you seriousily sometimes around here. Deleting a post and giving that as the reason is just as idiotic and childish as actually responding, just doing so in a "higher and mightier" yet hypocritical, type way.

What makes it any different to delete a post by putting idiocy in the reasoning as opposed to actually trying to offend someone in the first place? There's really no need to be honest.

[RealmK]

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I agree, I like this post. I disagree with some things. but for the most I agree. IN my opinion Eddie and Realm are the same. The way he sticks up for EA game even in here is just like Eddie does for this game. I see no difference. I think having a demo would have been cool, but when you can't use sliders it really makes it a shell of a game. You can see some new animation and new graphics, but that is really all you will get with a demo. Maybe the AI would play better, but I just no.

Last gen when 2k had what was imo at the time the better game I was giving 2k all the credit in the world, should 2k10 turn out decent, I'll be the very first person to say it where as I'm pretty damned sure Eddie would not in a million years conceed that EA's game isn't only good but is in alot of ways gameplay wise pretty damn superior. Thats the major difference between him and I. If 2k were to put out a better game I'd pat them right on the back and say good job boys thank you for delivering.

The NHL10 demo doesn't have unlocked sliders and gee that turned out pretty well, the only major exception being the cpu passing. But you know what? The NHL10 demo feels like hockey, it plays like hockey, in a demo with locked sliders mind you.

I've suggested a few times Eddie put certain people on ignore because anytime something posted is remotely negative about 2k out comes the troll and hidden agenda card because he clearly isn't mature enough to handle a discussion involving pros and cons when it comes to his publisher of choice. Each and every time there you are patting him on the back for doing it. Just please stop seriously.

Defending the poor marketing job 2k has done this year is outright borderline ******** in the first place. Telling others to "get a clue" when you clearly don't even remotely have one yourself is outright laughable.

Not having a demo and the lack of marketing on the whole hurts sales possibilities far more than it helps, will it kill 2k? No prolly not. Sales of the GTA series do well enough to keep them afloat right now. But it sends a strong message that when it comes to hockey they either don't feel their product is better or don't care about the series enough to put any stock or marketing buget money into it. Which from a competition makes better games stance is a lose lose no matter which game one perfers.

It may not happen next year but should sales still be subpar the next year or two theres a very real possibility there won't even be anymore 2k hockey which in the grand scheme of things would suck for us the guys that are hardcore about the sport and want choices when it comes to having hockey video games.

[Keirik]

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Last gen when 2k had what was imo at the time the better game I was giving 2k all the credit in the world, should 2k10 turn out decent, I'll be the very first person to say it where as I'm pretty damned sure Eddie would not in a million years conceed that EA's game isn't only good but is in alot of ways gameplay wise pretty damn superior. Thats the major difference between him and I. If 2k were to put out a better game I'd pat them right on the back and say good job boys thank you for delivering.

The NHL10 demo doesn't have unlocked sliders and gee that turned out pretty well, the only major exception being the cpu passing. But you know what? The NHL10 demo feels like hockey, it plays like hockey, in a demo with locked sliders mind you.

I've suggested a few times Eddie put certain people on ignore because anytime something posted is remotely negative about 2k out comes the troll and hidden agenda card because he clearly isn't mature enough to handle a discussion involving pros and cons when it comes to his publisher of choice. Each and every time there you are patting him on the back for doing it. Just please stop seriously.

Defending the poor marketing job 2k has done this year is outright borderline ******** in the first place. Telling others to "get a clue" when you clearly don't even remotely have one yourself is outright laughable.

Not having a demo and the lack of marketing on the whole hurts sales possibilities far more than it helps, will it kill 2k? No prolly not. Sales of the GTA series do well enough to keep them afloat right now. But it sends a strong message that when it comes to hockey they either don't feel their product is better or don't care about the series enough to put any stock or marketing buget money into it. Which from a competition makes better games stance is a lose lose no matter which game one perfers.

It may not happen next year but should sales still be subpar the next year or two theres a very real possibility there won't even be anymore 2k hockey which in the grand scheme of things would suck for us the guys that are hardcore about the sport and want choices when it comes to having hockey video games.

Bravo honestly, and to add one more thing to this. I've actually not even bothered posting too many opinions of the actual game because I don't feel like hearing the fanboy card thrown out there, especially when im a person who registered for the 2k boards years ago even before it was the 2k board and have this game paid in full (to keep blindly giving yet another chance at hoping 2k3v*next gen is reincarnated) every year.

[Scottdau]

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It has nothing to do with past the Realm. I have a feeling it is just who you are. If you like a game you will defend it tooth and nail. I am the same way and it looks like Eddie is the same way too. Like I said before. I think we are all alike. I think everybody on this site is pretty much all the same. When we think we are right you can not tell us we are wrong.

[Scottdau]

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Last gen when 2k had what was imo at the time the better game I was giving 2k all the credit in the world, should 2k10 turn out decent, I'll be the very first person to say it where as I'm pretty damned sure Eddie would not in a million years conceed that EA's game isn't only good but is in alot of ways gameplay wise pretty damn superior. Thats the major difference between him and I. If 2k were to put out a better game I'd pat them right on the back and say good job boys thank you for delivering.

The NHL10 demo doesn't have unlocked sliders and gee that turned out pretty well, the only major exception being the cpu passing. But you know what? The NHL10 demo feels like hockey, it plays like hockey, in a demo with locked sliders mind you.

I've suggested a few times Eddie put certain people on ignore because anytime something posted is remotely negative about 2k out comes the troll and hidden agenda card because he clearly isn't mature enough to handle a discussion involving pros and cons when it comes to his publisher of choice. Each and every time there you are patting him on the back for doing it. Just please stop seriously.

Defending the poor marketing job 2k has done this year is outright borderline ******** in the first place. Telling others to "get a clue" when you clearly don't even remotely have one yourself is outright laughable.

Not having a demo and the lack of marketing on the whole hurts sales possibilities far more than it helps, will it kill 2k? No prolly not. Sales of the GTA series do well enough to keep them afloat right now. But it sends a strong message that when it comes to hockey they either don't feel their product is better or don't care about the series enough to put any stock or marketing buget money into it. Which from a competition makes better games stance is a lose lose no matter which game one perfers.

It may not happen next year but should sales still be subpar the next year or two theres a very real possibility there won't even be anymore 2k hockey which in the grand scheme of things would suck for us the guys that are hardcore about the sport and want choices when it comes to having hockey video games.

You had a good point until you throw stuff like this in. That is disappointing, but that has happen to OS. In the past people could share ideas and even have debates. And believe it or not there were no harsh words and people actually ended up respecting each other. At the end of the day it is all opinion. Even you saying that EA AI is better. That is still opinion. Any way, I am OK with no demo. I am also OK with the way they run their business. I still say if this game is good people will buy it.