NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360 & PS3)

[RealmK]

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my big 2k10 worry is the backing up of the defenseman and also the lack of dump and chase. cpu tape to tape passing was pretty much gone last year with 2k's pass accuracy slider.

This could be the first year ever i will buy and KEEP 2 hockey games.
Hopefully that's a dilemma I and others will face.

Yeah the backing up is pretty much what I meant about neutral zone pressure, and thats really along with the lack of cpu dump and chase my big worries as well.

To get back on topic has anyone else noticed that if you are able to put a few solid checks on the cpu in the demo that they tend to get a bit more sloppy with their decision making? Ringing it around the boards for inaccurate passes trying to avoid the forecheck and in general it leading to more turnovers by the cpu in their own end? Or am I just seeing things.

[Qb]

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To get back on topic has anyone else noticed that if you are able to put a few solid checks on the cpu in the demo that they tend to get a bit more sloppy with their decision making? Ringing it around the boards for inaccurate passes trying to avoid the forecheck and in general it leading to more turnovers by the cpu in their own end? Or am I just seeing things.

This is something they talked up in early blogs, so I guess the answer is, no, you're not seeing things.

I've been wanting to see this in hockey games for a while. The AI in 09 (vs CPU or in BAP) was dead set on carrying & passing the puck out of it's zone, no matter how much pressure it was under, often going right in front of the net or up the middle from the corner. Hopefully they'll make the safe play more in 10, as that's what is stressed in the NHL these days...

[phillyfan23]

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This is something they talked up in early blogs, so I guess the answer is, no, you're not seeing things.

I've been wanting to see this in hockey games for a while. The AI in 09 (vs CPU or in BAP) was dead set on carrying & passing the puck out of it's zone, no matter how much pressure it was under, often going right in front of the net or up the middle from the corner. Hopefully they'll make the safe play more in 10, as that's what is stressed in the NHL these days...

if this is indeed the case, it's really gonna be cool as hell playing with my broad street bullies. Wow....this totally went by my radar, and will pay attention to it next time i play the demo.

[18 eighty 5]

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Nup, I am noticing that my cpu team mates refuse to clear the crease of any opposition ai lurking there.

The cpu ai heads to the net and my ai defender lets him take it!

Just had another goal scored against me as I noticed the cpu ai attacker head to the net, I tried to scroll through my players to get to the defender who was right on him and I couldn't scroll to the defender...the cpu puts a pass in and bang he scores. My defender just sat there...again.

This has not changed because I am seeing it with my own eyes again and again! Very frustrating because the cpu is exploiting the cross crease one timer and unless I have control of my defense I am powerless.

[onlybygrace]

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Nup, I am noticing that my cpu team mates refuse to clear the crease of any opposition ai lurking there.

The cpu ai heads to the net and my ai defender lets him take it!

Just had another goal scored against me as I noticed the cpu ai attacker head to the net, I tried to scroll through my players to get to the defender who was right on him and I couldn't scroll to the defender...the cpu puts a pass in and bang he scores. My defender just sat there...again.

This has not changed because I am seeing it with my own eyes again and again! Very frustrating because the cpu is exploiting the cross crease one timer and unless I have control of my defense I am powerless.

Too bad, So Sad.

Play better D...and learn to be responsible for the front of your net...its ultimately up to you.

[rangersfan30]

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Too bad, So Sad.

Play better D...and learn to be responsible for the front of your net...its ultimately up to you.

Didnt you read his post ?

He said he tried to scroll to the man covering the scorer but it wouldnt let him. Sadly this is something that was in 09 and its still there.

[Vikes1]

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This has not changed because I am seeing it with my own eyes again and again! Very frustrating because the cpu is exploiting the cross crease one timer and unless I have control of my defense I am powerless.

Yep, I've seen this a number of times as well.

Where the cpu will camp a player at the corner of your net. I can't really remember if I've had trouble being able to switch to the closest of my AI defenders. I'll have to check that out next time I play.

[bad_philanthropy]

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Yeah the backing up is pretty much what I meant about neutral zone pressure, and thats really along with the lack of cpu dump and chase my big worries as well.

To get back on topic has anyone else noticed that if you are able to put a few solid checks on the cpu in the demo that they tend to get a bit more sloppy with their decision making? Ringing it around the boards for inaccurate passes trying to avoid the forecheck and in general it leading to more turnovers by the cpu in their own end? Or am I just seeing things.

If the teams have individual playing styles than neither the Wings or Pens are great examples of dump and chase teams, especially Detroit, they pretty much define that puck possession style of play.

I know I've had the Pens third line dump it in on me a decent amount, even Crosby's line a couple times. Detroit though will hang on to the puck at all costs, don't think I've seen them dump it in once.

[ezio]

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If the teams have individual playing styles than neither the Wings or Pens are great examples of dump and chase teams, especially Detroit, they pretty much define that puck possession style of play.

I know I've had the Pens third line dump it in on me a decent amount, even Crosby's line a couple times. Detroit though will hang on to the puck at all costs, don't think I've seen them dump it in once.

I believe Realm was referring to 2k10 in his post but I could be wrong.

[18 eighty 5]

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Too bad, So Sad.

Play better D...and learn to be responsible for the front of your net...its ultimately up to you.

It is only by grace that I will allow this one to slip...see what I did there ...ok, ok it was lame

[18 eighty 5]

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Where the cpu will camp a player at the corner of your net. I can't really remember if I've had trouble being able to switch to the closest of my AI defenders. I'll have to check that out next time I play.

The problem with scrolling occurs, I think, because it tries to give you control of players that are closest to the puck.

The problem that broke out for me was that the cpu had the puck high above the right face off dot and was wheeling around to face the net. I could see what it was going to do because I could see its team mate waiting right on the side of my own net.

I tried to scroll to the defender guarding the net (right next to the cpu forward) but when I scrolled it flipped between 3 of my guys who were closest to the puck carrier, when he decided to wire the pass it moved so fast that I just couldn't make the adjustments and in the speed of a one timer it was all said and done.

It was kind of like my defender was drafted from a gentleman's league where his gentle disposition equipped him with fine manners. I could imagine my defender saying 'hello old man, lovely day for some sandwhiches isn't it? Oh, you want to take it to my goalie, good show. I do say the blades on your skates are most fetching', and the guy he was defending was that big black bearded thug from the movie Youngblood (the one who gives Patrick Swayze a severe concussion) and after he scores he turns to my gentleman defender and blows a kiss through smahed teeth and then spits on my guys jersey.

After this happened I deliberately took control of my forwards on defense and kept handing the puck back to the cpu to see how often my ai defense would allow the cpu to have the crease. My ai defenders sometimes hit and shoved the cpu and other times they just stayed back.

It seemed kind of random when they defended and helped the goalie and when they sat back. I don't think it has anything to do with the player tendencies of the particular defender...say Kronwall as opposed to Lidstrom...I dunno it just seemed a bit random when a defender aggressively and pro actively engaged the opposition or whether they were oblivious to the cpu presence.

Also, there was no effort from my ai defender to try and block the pass comming in for the one timer, but the cpu defense does this well.

[TeamLogo]

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It was kind of like my defender was drafted from a gentleman's league where his gentle disposition equipped him with fine manners. I could imagine my defender saying 'hello old man, lovely day for some sandwhiches isn't it? Oh, you want to take it to my goalie, good show. I do say the blades on your skates are most fetching', and the guy he was defending was that big black bearded thug from the movie Youngblood (the one who gives Patrick Swayze a severe concussion) and after he scores he turns to my gentleman defender and blows a kiss through smahed teeth and then spits on my guys jersey.

Sounds exactly how my defensemen play on Superstar. They're back there rolling out the red carpet while I'd get mauled in the slot in the other end. I can't do everything.

[IBYCFOTA]

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The problem with scrolling occurs, I think, because it tries to give you control of players that are closest to the puck.

The problem that broke out for me was that the cpu had the puck high above the right face off dot and was wheeling around to face the net. I could see what it was going to do because I could see its team mate waiting right on the side of my own net.

I tried to scroll to the defender guarding the net (right next to the cpu forward) but when I scrolled it flipped between 3 of my guys who were closest to the puck carrier, when he decided to wire the pass it moved so fast that I just couldn't make the adjustments and in the speed of a one timer it was all said and done.

It was kind of like my defender was drafted from a gentleman's league where his gentle disposition equipped him with fine manners. I could imagine my defender saying 'hello old man, lovely day for some sandwhiches isn't it? Oh, you want to take it to my goalie, good show. I do say the blades on your skates are most fetching', and the guy he was defending was that big black bearded thug from the movie Youngblood (the one who gives Patrick Swayze a severe concussion) and after he scores he turns to my gentleman defender and blows a kiss through smahed teeth and then spits on my guys jersey.

After this happened I deliberately took control of my forwards on defense and kept handing the puck back to the cpu to see how often my ai defense would allow the cpu to have the crease. My ai defenders sometimes hit and shoved the cpu and other times they just stayed back.

It seemed kind of random when they defended and helped the goalie and when they sat back. I don't think it has anything to do with the player tendencies of the particular defender...say Kronwall as opposed to Lidstrom...I dunno it just seemed a bit random when a defender aggressively and pro actively engaged the opposition or whether they were oblivious to the cpu presence.

Also, there was no effort from my ai defender to try and block the pass comming in for the one timer, but the cpu defense does this well.

You seem to be unaware of this so I'll throw it out there. If you hold the switch player button it will switch to the defender furthest away from the puck. This will pretty much always give you control of one of your defenseman making it easy to clear the front of your net when needed. That should fix your problems for the most part.

[18 eighty 5]

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Didn't know that IBY, thanks, will try it.

[RealmK]

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If the teams have individual playing styles than neither the Wings or Pens are great examples of dump and chase teams, especially Detroit, they pretty much define that puck possession style of play.

I know I've had the Pens third line dump it in on me a decent amount, even Crosby's line a couple times. Detroit though will hang on to the puck at all costs, don't think I've seen them dump it in once.

I was refering to the 2k videos, yes I know it was completely off topic.