Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

[Suave35]

EA gets money every year, the same the same way Jordans sneakers does.The name.Because they been out so long people just trust the name,not the product.Because all the Jordans,didn't look good,but because of the name,they sold.The same with madden,and Live also.Not to mention Madden is the oniy NFL game out! I love 2Ks sports games,the gameplay just feels more real.I just would like for 2K to make another football game,because they Just have a feel for true gameplay,simulation,and player physics.Truley the 2K developers are gifted.Please 2K save us from this Madden curse!

[yamabushi]

Spank had it right a couple of pages ago: The fact that M10 is bested in areas of gameplay by a 2 and a 5 yr old game is pathetic.

[Suave35]

Thank you for shedding this light,i've felt this way for years!

[jvaccaro]

This article clearly defines a good majority of the flaws in Madden. I'm actually very happy with Madden 10, despite it's issues. IMO, this artilce shouldn't references all-pro football, since that game has issues too, and rather focus it as an effort to help EA's approach.

I hope the EA dev team takes notice of this and prioritizes their needs going forward. Another bug not listed here is the lack of sideline awareness by offensive players. Fix these up, and it will be the best playing NFL game ever.

[Suave35]

And to all the Madden Fanboys,replay all Madden Plays,look at them in slow motion,and look at the player mechanics.they just don't move like real people,from the physics,especially when players change directions.Look also at the QB throwing motions(in slow Motion)Look at the QB realease,then Compare to any 2K game.

[Only1LT]

Re: Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

I think this is more of a problem with the Madden replay system.

The replays in the game can only store a small amount of data, so a lot of times, important parts from the beginning of a play get cut off due to its length.

Maybe they made it that way so you'd have less of a chance of seeing some of the ludicrous things that happen on a typical TD run.

Here's a better example of the way the game's elusiveness rating governs broken tackles instead of weight, physics and momentum:



I have seen similar things done by other finesse backs like Moreno, Sproles, McFadden, et al. who aren't that big and strong but happen to have high elusiveness ratings.

The Moreno run in the OP was probably similar to this but all you got was the tail-end of him breaking through the last gang tackle and getting into the open field.

LOL. I understand about the replay cutting plays in half. What I was saying is that the plays needed to be shown more than once on each vid, and in slow-mo in particular.

That last vid was funny. Almost every defender that missed the tackle did the exact same animation. I thought I was having deja vu lol.

[dorismary]

Excellent article while I dont agree with all the APF comments I do agree about Madden's short commings

[walliworld]

I agree, Madden will never compare with All Pro or 2K5. BUT, unfortuntately, 2K has not made a game and I like the NFL. So I'm forced to settle for the mediocore that is Madden 10.

I will pray that 2K makes another game SOON!!!

[LBzrule]

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While I agree, I'm really starting to get into Madden 10 despite some of the issues. I do need to test what I have against other opponents though (my boy sucks lol). I talked with MS and they assured me next week so I can't wait to get back into the swing of things. With a good patch the game will be that much more enjoyable. Tombsong bring your A game. Remember Saturday and Sunday mornins.

[grunt]

Re: Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

While I agree, I'm really starting to get into Madden 10 despite some of the issues. I do need to test what I have against other opponents though (my boy sucks lol). I talked with MS and they assured me next week so I can't wait to get back into the swing of things. With a good patch the game will be that much more enjoyable. Tombsong bring your A game. Remember Saturday and Sunday mornins.

I am willing to lab some games with you. I am working on pass protection/hot reads vs overloads blitz schemes. I am running with the Packers. My gamer tag is grunt 007.

Peace

[TombSong]

Re: Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

While I agree, I'm really starting to get into Madden 10 despite some of the issues. I do need to test what I have against other opponents though (my boy sucks lol). I talked with MS and they assured me next week so I can't wait to get back into the swing of things. With a good patch the game will be that much more enjoyable. Tombsong bring your A game. Remember Saturday and Sunday mornins.

Man, those Sat and Sun were like weekend school for me, LOL.

Looking forward to that again. The guys in the APF league are decent guys also. We are all gonna have big fun as soon as they get some of the issues ironed out in Madden.

[Radja]

Re: Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

While I agree, I'm really starting to get into Madden 10 despite some of the issues. I do need to test what I have against other opponents though (my boy sucks lol). I talked with MS and they assured me next week so I can't wait to get back into the swing of things. With a good patch the game will be that much more enjoyable. Tombsong bring your A game. Remember Saturday and Sunday mornins.

right now, that game needs to be patched for the single player. the dump off pass on the almost sacks is ridiculous. it is a teaser game right now. there are little things that are great and little things that are not great. it just kills the realism.

playing the raiders with the chargers, i "sacked" jamarcus about 5 times in the first half. only one of them was a sack. the others allowed them to keep the down and distance the same and allowed them to convert a couple third downs a lot easier. in the end, all i could think was why play this until it's patched?

[RogueHominid]

Re: Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

right now, that game needs to be patched for the single player. the dump off pass on the almost sacks is ridiculous. it is a teaser game right now. there are little things that are great and little things that are not great. it just kills the realism.

playing the raiders with the chargers, i "sacked" jamarcus about 5 times in the first half. only one of them was a sack. the others allowed them to keep the down and distance the same and allowed them to convert a couple third downs a lot easier. in the end, all i could think was why play this until it's patched?

Agreed about the user vs. CPU experience. The way the QB looks for the HB at the last second is ridiculously prescient.

If you play vs. HUM opponents, though, especially ones from here, it's quite a good experience. You should come on over and join the ACBQ M10 league .

[elgreazy1]

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Here's something I've been doing with my offline franchise to make them more fun: Creating Legends ala APF. In Franchise mode, eventually everyone becomes a CAP or Generic player due to NFL players retiring, new rookies etc, so I began using past NFL players in place of high-rated draft picks.

After each draft I scroll through the Rookies and rename (and edit) any rookie with an 80+ OVR to the name of a past NFL player. For instance, the Chiefs drafted a speedy OLB so I renamed him from Generic Name to Dedrick Thomas, #58 & edited his equipment to either look like Derrick Thomas or to mimic what DT would look like in modern equipment.

I've done the same with a lot of players: Troy Aiken (Troy Aikman), Craig Lloyd (Greg Lloyd), Jake Smith (Jackie Smith), Kris Carter (Cris Carter), Gary Little (Larry Little), Rodney Lott (Ronnie Lott), Bryce Smith (Bruce Smith). This, to me, has taken the game to another level because now instead of facing no-name players, I'm facing a guy who I know how he plays & what to expect. So where I would play the Bears & know Urlacher was patrolling the middle, I also will face Demond Saunders on team X & know he's a ball-hawking, shut-down CB instead of wondering why Generic James at CB is such a beast.

Try it out, yeah, it takes a couple minutes to go through, find & edit said rookies but it make the game alot more fun. Years down into my various franchises it makes it fun to see said player atop the league leaders & such and actually recognizing the names.

[LBzrule]

Re: Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

right now, that game needs to be patched for the single player. the dump off pass on the almost sacks is ridiculous. it is a teaser game right now. there are little things that are great and little things that are not great. it just kills the realism.

playing the raiders with the chargers, i "sacked" jamarcus about 5 times in the first half. only one of them was a sack. the others allowed them to keep the down and distance the same and allowed them to convert a couple third downs a lot easier. in the end, all i could think was why play this until it's patched?

Indeed it needs to be patched. But it's not just the QB's sixth sense that's the problem. The WR's should not be even aware he is throwing the ball. That's the thing that is irritating me. I can get pressure but this bastard slings it down the field to a WR who is not looking but he catches it anyway. WEAK!!