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  • GTheorenHobbes
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 2572

    #91
    Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

    Originally posted by roadman
    Also, as it was pointed out to me yesterday, even though Madden might be declining in sales on a yearly basis, Madden still is a profit for EA.

    This article states that EA games need 1.1 million in sales to break even.

    C'mon, Roadman...That article does not say that EA needs to sell 1.1 million copies of Madden to break even. Here's what it says:

    "EA now typically spends two or three times as much on marketing and advertising as it does on developing a game. That’s because advertising is critical to getting a game in the top ten rankings. If you have a $10 million game, don’t be surprised if the the TV advertising costs drive the ad budget to $30 million. If a $60 game yields revenue of $35 for EA, then (according to my math) the company has to sell 1.1 million copies just to break even.

    I don't have the numbers for what EA paid for the exclusive NFL and ESPN licenses, but I'm confident that it costs EA FAR MORE than $10 million to make Madden, as opposed to a typical game that may cost $10 million to develop. In fact, I'd venture to guess that EA pays FAR MORE than $10 million just for the cost of the exclusive license alone. I'd also venture to guess that EA pays FAR MORE than average for the marketing cost for Madden as well.

    If I'm right, then using this guy's numbers, it takes FAR MORE than 1.1 million copies of Madden sold for EA to make a profit.

    And if I had to guess...I'd say Madden is more of a loss leader than a money maker for EA, given it's declining sales over the last 5 years. EA overpaid for the exclusives to put their competition out of business. They thought their sales would go up but they've actually declined for 5 straight years now. When they used to sell 5 million copies across all of the consoles 5 years ago, and don't come close to that now, there is no one who can convince me that Madden is some huge profit maker for EA these days.

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    • roadman
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2003
      • 26339

      #92
      Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

      Originally posted by GTheorenHobbes
      C'mon, Roadman...That article does not say that EA needs to sell 1.1 million copies of Madden to break even. Here's what it says:

      "EA now typically spends two or three times as much on marketing and advertising as it does on developing a game. That’s because advertising is critical to getting a game in the top ten rankings. If you have a $10 million game, don’t be surprised if the the TV advertising costs drive the ad budget to $30 million. If a $60 game yields revenue of $35 for EA, then (according to my math) the company has to sell 1.1 million copies just to break even.

      I don't have the numbers for what EA paid for the exclusive NFL and ESPN licenses, but I'm confident that it costs EA FAR MORE than $10 million to make Madden, as opposed to a typical game that may cost $10 million to develop. In fact, I'd venture to guess that EA pays FAR MORE than $10 million just for the cost of the exclusive license alone. I'd also venture to guess that EA pays FAR MORE than average for the marketing cost for Madden as well.

      If I'm right, then using this guy's numbers, it takes FAR MORE than 1.1 million copies of Madden sold for EA to make a profit.

      And if I had to guess...I'd say Madden is more of a loss leader than a money maker for EA, given it's declining sales over the last 5 years. EA overpaid for the exclusives to put their competition out of business. They thought their sales would go up but they've actually declined for 5 straight years now. When they used to sell 5 million copies across all of the consoles 5 years ago, and don't come close to that now, there is no one who can convince me that Madden is some huge profit maker for EA these days.
      I wasn't factoring in the licenses. Also, I didn't say Madden(maybe implied), but I did say EA games.

      Again, I was told yesterday, that Ian stated last year that Madden is a profit maker for EA. I guess Ian won't be able to convince you, either.

      We all know that they've had declining sales, but if Madden is a profit maker, that means they are a declining profit maker.
      Last edited by roadman; 09-11-2009, 08:00 AM.

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      • GTheorenHobbes
        Banned
        • Jul 2002
        • 2572

        #93
        Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

        Originally posted by roadman
        I wasn't factoring in the license.

        Again, I was told yesterday, that Ian stated last year that Madden is a profit maker for EA. I guess Ian won't be able to convince you, either.

        We all know that they've had declining sales, but if Madden is a profit maker, that means they are a declining profit maker.
        Sorry, Roadman...don't mean to pick with you. But who told you that Ian said that?

        It only stands to reason...if EA used to sell 5 million copies across the board, without having to pay for the very expensive exclusive licenses, and they're selling, let's say, 1 million fewer copies across the board these days, while having to pay for the licenses, then I'd say it's very much a declining profit maker, if it even makes a profit at all.

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        • grunt
          Banned
          • Jul 2002
          • 9527

          #94
          Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

          Originally posted by Valdarez
          Well, I hope EA doesn't let sales dictate their direction of the game. This year was the best step forward for Madden in a long, long time. The game's not there yet, but even a blind man can see that Ian and crew are making strides towards a more realistic game of football. Lets hope they stay the course.
          You are just another Madden fan ohhh my bad you ran a apf2k8 site. I see more 2k fans feeling this game than others. The more I play this game the more I like this game. I am not a franchise/cpu gamer but online franchise gamer. I like the direction of this development team but it is time for a new engine.

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          • roadman
            *ll St*r
            • Aug 2003
            • 26339

            #95
            Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

            Originally posted by GTheorenHobbes
            Sorry, Roadman...don't mean to pick with you. But who told you that Ian said that?

            It only stands to reason...if EA used to sell 5 million copies across the board, without having to pay for the very expensive exclusive licenses, and they're selling, let's say, 1 million fewer copies across the board these days, while having to pay for the licenses, then I'd say it's very much a declining profit maker, if it even makes a profit at all.
            I'm not just going to run out and name drop, not my style. I will give a hint that the thread has been closed and it was towards the end of the thread.

            The person was very emphatic they remembered Ian stating that.

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            • boom.h
              Rookie
              • Jun 2009
              • 77

              #96
              Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

              NPD Madden 10 Sales August 2009:

              MADDEN NFL 10 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-09 928,000
              MADDEN NFL 10 PS3 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-09 665,000


              NPD Madden 09 Sales August 2008:

              360 MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-08 1.0mm
              PS3 MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-08 643K


              EA deserves this. They've been terrible with the Madden series this Gen.

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              • adfletch71
                Banned
                • Nov 2006
                • 727

                #97
                Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                what do anybody expect with the garbage that EA put out from 06-09. Also Madden10 is better, but with all the flaws and bugs how much confidence do EA expect consumers to have in there product. All other sports genre have competition except NFL football..go figure. Its just wrong for anyone to have a hold on americas top sport. Whether its 2K or EA, people want a choice and some just don't like maddens engine..period.

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                • HealyMonster
                  Titans Era has begun.
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 5992

                  #98
                  Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                  I wish the NFL could do a review of Madden and give their opinion. Go let Roger Goodell try and run an online franchise or kick a field goal.

                  Watching last nights game, I never saw the QB get tackled on a handoff before handing the ball off. only once or twice on either side did RB's get blown up in he backfield on a run up the gut.

                  Not once did I see the RB encounter a defender and get stood up and do the hulking animation that happens on 90% of RB tackles in Madden.

                  Not once did I see a pop up of how the steelers were an expansion team back in the day or that the titans became the titans in 1998.

                  YES they increased the presentation but did it wrong, yes they adden online franchise but did it wrong, yes they added refs, but now they discuss ever freaking TD.

                  Do I need to go on? This game is broken, just like the rest of them. its 2010 people and you guys "like the directions its going" you sound ridiculous. I hope this opens peoples eyes, namely the NFL cause they are not being respected by this product at all.

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                  • GTheorenHobbes
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2572

                    #99
                    Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                    Originally posted by boom.h
                    NPD Madden 10 Sales August 2009:

                    MADDEN NFL 10 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-09 928,000
                    MADDEN NFL 10 PS3 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-09 665,000


                    NPD Madden 09 Sales August 2008:

                    360 MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-08 1.0mm
                    PS3 MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS Aug-08 643K


                    EA deserves this. They've been terrible with the Madden series this Gen.
                    Here's what's really eye-popping, from vgchartz:

                    Madden 05 (PS2) -- 4.46 million
                    Madden 05 (XBox) -- 1.46 million

                    Granted, those are TOTAL sales numbers, as opposed to sales figures for just one month, but I think it's safe to say that the days of EA selling 6 million copies of Madden, with this engine, are gone and never coming back.

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                    • TombSong
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2543

                      #100
                      Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                      Originally posted by grunt
                      You are just another Madden fan ohhh my bad you ran a apf2k8 site. I see more 2k fans feeling this game than others. The more I play this game the more I like this game. I am not a franchise/cpu gamer but online franchise gamer. I like the direction of this development team but it is time for a new engine.

                      Heres what makes this game fun. You get to do on this gen system what you were doing on last gen systems in 2005. They tweaked a few things and added some cutscenes which for the "madden guys" was like the 2nd coming. For the "2K guys" its, "been there done that."

                      This game picked itself up in some aspects but still sucks at others and the new stuff dont work like its suppose to. Whats funny about all that is we are suppose to allow that to slide because the game finally plays like it did 5 years ago ?

                      All you people on the "This is the greatest football game I have ever played" mantra. Tell me, WHAT are you doing in this game that you were not doing 5 years ago in Madden 2005 ?

                      We are still dealing with a lot of the same problems and new problems. We got 2 other older games that do some of these things better, but threw all that the "Madden guys" Are on this high horse as though EVERYBODY should be in love with the game because "They are on the right direction ?"

                      Not that the game works as advertised, or is not broken but because "They are on the right direction..."

                      I cant even throw to my WR on the right side of the field at the moment when he is being pressed because he CANT get inside the CB......WTF ? I am suppose to be happy though.

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                      • boom.h
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 77

                        #101
                        Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                        Originally posted by GTheorenHobbes
                        Here's what's really eye-popping, from vgchartz:

                        Madden 05 (PS2) -- 4.46 million
                        Madden 05 (XBox) -- 1.46 million

                        Granted, those are TOTAL sales numbers, as opposed to sales figures for just one month, but I think it's safe to say that the days of EA selling 6 million copies of Madden, with this engine, are gone and never coming back.
                        I don't even think Madden will hit 3 million in sales. Sports games aren't like other games. People don't buy Madden 10 midway through the NFL season or after the season. August and September sales will be the bulk of Madden 10 sales, and since it hasn't hit 1.5 million, there's simply no way Madden 10 is reaching 3 million before Madden 11 is out.

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                        • DickDalewood

                          #102
                          Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                          Best one year leap Madden has ever made, and the game is finally headed in the right direction for the future.

                          If EA gets rid of THIS group of devs, then I truly fear the direction they want this series to take.

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                          • DickDalewood

                            #103
                            Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                            Originally posted by Renegade44

                            Do I need to go on? This game is broken, just like the rest of them. its 2010 people and you guys "like the directions its going" you sound ridiculous. I hope this opens peoples eyes, namely the NFL cause they are not being respected by this product at all.
                            The more I watched the game last night, the more I realized how much Madden IMPROVED this year. MUCH closer to what I watch on TV.

                            Like I said, I DO see the improvements made and LIKE the direction this series is going. I guess I'll just stick with sounding ridiculous

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                            • TombSong
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2543

                              #104
                              Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                              Originally posted by DickDalewood
                              The more I watched the game last night, the more I realized how much Madden IMPROVED this year. MUCH closer to what I watch on TV.

                              Like I said, I DO see the improvements made and LIKE the direction this series is going. I guess I'll just stick with sounding ridiculous
                              Ill play this game with you.

                              I think the control you have over your running back improved. I think the cutscenes improved. Graphics improved and a animation here and there. Ill even throw in the right stick control moves for the dline.

                              Outside of that what else improved ?

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                              • gamertom
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 247

                                #105
                                Re: EA Boss Not Happy With Madden Sales....

                                The NHL franchise that has won 19 sports game of the year awards over the past two years. Just think if madden had Dev's like that what this game could really become. If he is truly not happy its time to make changes.

                                I know for sure I will not buy this game next year until I hear the reviews and see what the complaints are first to see if its worth it. I have finally learned my lesson to not buy it right away. And it looks like this year many others already learned.
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