Breaking Down Sliders... How They Really Work

[bill2451]

Re: Breaking Down Sliders... How They Really Work

g2thecores was loosely based on this theory (his set is like 4 pages back)... theres one in this thread a while back by someone that I think is based partially on this theory

[stanley roper]

Re: Breaking Down Sliders... How They Really Work

I'll tell you guys why these sliders will not work until EA fixes the AI. The AI is already fixed to do certain things. I've tested this game since it came out and when you do certain things, it triggers the AI to do certain things. For example:

on defense, do not do anything to any defensive players. Just let the controls go and let the ai take over. On a pass play, the QB will always take its time around the pocket. The pocket will even close in on him at times and he'll still take his time.

When you use turbo, it somehow triggers the AI to panic and throw the ball. Even when you're coming at him weakside and he's a right handed QB. This is what everyone calls the robo qb.

Also when you strafe, bullrush or whatever you do with the right stick, it makes the cpu panic as well, like it knows you're trying to do that and get them before it's all said and done.

the effectiveness of the sliders come from difficulty itself, not actual gameplay. EA needs to fix the AI issue in order for these sliders to be working like it should.

Are you guys seeing games where you lead by 21 and the cpu comes out of nowhere in the 4th quarter? Or games where it's 51-49? Yeah. That's the good old AI at work. Thanks EA for tweaking the AI to give us more competition

[bill2451]

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wow did you create an account to just post that moronic opinion and waste space in my thread... thanks!

good thing one of the rules to these sliders is you're not allowed to play on the d-line (except you can occasionally play as a DT)

but yeah your right, when the d line does no moves and doesnt run fast the QB takes his time, but when the d-line actually tries to get off its blockers, or runs using turbo at the QB he has a sense of urgency... holy crap who'd a thunk it! Thank you for that extensive research Bill James

what's next, are you going to tell us the flats are open too much? Because i'd never realize that without your help.

everyone knows the qb's dont take enough sacks, if that makes the game unplayable for you then why are you reading these forums and looking at sliders. Clearly this thread wasn't created for people who don't want to play the game until a patch comes out that fixes all of Madden's problems... just a little forewarning though, you'll probably be disappointed come patch time too.

btw, did you see the crazy cpu comeback code in the Bills vs Pats game the other day... like omg I can't believe how cheap the computer is letting the Pats comeback like that... I mean, a fumble with 2 minutes left on the ensuing kickoff after a Pats TD, and then they score again... give me a break, that would never happen in real life! Stupid Madden comeback logic! Oh wait...

[stanley roper]

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Take it easy guy. I'm just here to offer some insight on all this. I'm not trying to bash the game or your thread.

[bill2451]

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oh man your reported me and rated my thread bad... thanks!

Nineteen 5 star votes... and you vote it 1 star... that is insightful

[bill2451]

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I do find it funny that I can make legitimate posts, contribute to the community, etc, and some guy can show up and and make a useless post thats attempting to discredit everything everyone did in this thread (with ridiculous stuff that I can read in 1,000 other threads on these boards)... and I'm the one who receives the infraction

all this pc stuff is sickening, its an online gaming forum, idk why everything has to be rainbows and butterflies, and the second it's not someone has to get banned... maybe the mods should spend more time filtering 95% of the bs threads that get posted over and over and over and over and over (getting the point) again on the same topic... but it's pretty clear that OS is more concerned with group hugs than having posts with substance and usefulness

so color me shocked if this post also receives an infraction for god knows what

[QB1]

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Damn Bill you still don't have a set of finalized sliders up? We're patiently waiting...lol

This thread is more of an acedemic exercise then anything else. It's been how many weeks now of "theories and testing"? Whatever happened to just enjoying the game?

Several others have already posted sliders based on these theories, yet "slider Yoda" hasn't even come up with his own set, only excuses.

[bill2451]

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slider yoda?

I'm sorry for creating a thread trying to empirically explain what the sliders did so that it would help other people change their sliders to their liking more easily

man i'm a jerk

[gtm]

Re: Breaking Down Sliders... How They Really Work

bill2451, have you posted your slider set?

[stanley roper]

Re: Breaking Down Sliders... How They Really Work

youre taking this too personal. I didn't report anyone. I did rate your thread 1 star because you're being a jerk dude. Why don't you just kick back and let everyone have an opinion on the sliders? I don't know where all this is coming from.

[bill2451]

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nope, I like excuses too much

*in all seriousness, I'll post some tomorrow if you want to try them out

[bill2451]

Re: Breaking Down Sliders... How They Really Work

youre taking this too personal. I didn't report anyone. I did rate your thread 1 star because you're being a jerk dude. Why don't you just kick back and let everyone have an opinion on the sliders? I don't know where all this is coming from.

might have been a little harsh, just annoyed that every other person on OS would rather bash something, comment on something without understanding the point of the thread, complain, etc, rather than trying to be constructive and solve the problem

I know there are fundamental AI problems (qb's taking sacks, open flats, db/wr interactions, etc), but that doesnt mean a good, fun, competitive, somewhat realistic game can't be achieved... that was the entire point of this thread and it seems like you wrote it off for problems we all know exist and are trying to fix

and so I took all my annoyances out on you w/ a sarcastic post... right or not, i'm not going to sugarcoat it, that's how I felt and I don't see any reason to pretend I didnt. It's nothing personal, but for the life of me I can't see how your post had any benefit to anyone. It's as if you're annoyed with the game so you're trying to get everyone else to be annoyed with it too. And imo that is worse than any insult I can say on an online forum

and again, that's how i feel after seeing every other person on this forum doing that... it's just tiring after a while

if you dont want to contribute positively to this thread that is perfectly fine, but I don't see why you have to contribute negatively... i just dont see how that helps

[kingasia]

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This thread is more of an acedemic exercise then anything else. It's been how many weeks now of "theories and testing"? Whatever happened to just enjoying the game?

Several others have already posted sliders based on these theories, yet "slider Yoda" hasn't even come up with his own set, only excuses.

so then use the other sets.. or the dozens of other sliders available..

[KBLover]

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youre taking this too personal. I didn't report anyone. I did rate your thread 1 star because you're being a jerk dude. Why don't you just kick back and let everyone have an opinion on the sliders? I don't know where all this is coming from.

Wait...

You rated the thread bad because you didn't like how he posted to you?

Never mind if the content is worth more than one star?

Am I missing something here?

[stanley roper]

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might have been a little harsh, just annoyed that every other person on OS would rather bash something, comment on something without understanding the point of the thread, complain, etc, rather than trying to be constructive and solve the problem

I know there are fundamental AI problems (qb's taking sacks, open flats, db/wr interactions, etc), but that doesnt mean a good, fun, competitive, somewhat realistic game can't be achieved... that was the entire point of this thread and it seems like you wrote it off for problems we all know exist and are trying to fix

and so I took all my annoyances out on you w/ a sarcastic post... right or not, i'm not going to sugarcoat it, that's how I felt and I don't see any reason to pretend I didnt. It's nothing personal, but for the life of me I can't see how your post had any benefit to anyone. It's as if you're annoyed with the game so you're trying to get everyone else to be annoyed with it too. And imo that is worse than any insult I can say on an online forum

and again, that's how i feel after seeing every other person on this forum doing that... it's just tiring after a while

if you dont want to contribute positively to this thread that is perfectly fine, but I don't see why you have to contribute negatively... i just dont see how that helps

The thing is that I wasn't trying to be negative, instead be positive by telling you guys, it's not the problems of the sliders, it's the AI. As I understand, the EA guys come here to look at what people have to say and when they read stuff like this, they look into it and try to solve the problem. but with you telling people not to say things like that and be supportive, it's not going to fix the issues.

This is relevant mind you. I been messing with sliders since the game came out and although there are good ones and some bad ones, I must say that all of them work the same. Reason why is because the AI is fixed to play certain ways.

I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. I'm just trying to let you all know how these "sliders really work".