FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

[Hunkerdown]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

I've been really impressed by the demo so far but I do have a large niggling concern that has already been voiced here - the CPU always plays the same way no matter which team it is. And that style of play generally consists of working it up the field as quickly as possible with passes/dribbling between the forwards and wingers and then a cross/shot from distance.

There's no semblence of build-up play from the CPU and I have very rarely seen them play a ball BACKWARDS to a player who is under less pressure. Hopefully this will be addressed by the time the game ships (or at the very least can be adjusted on a per-team basis by the tactics sliders) but I think even with this problem I'm enjoying the demo so much that FIFA 10 is a must buy for me this year

Please FIFA team fix this, if you do, you got my $60. I am not a online player so CPU AI is important to me, and anyone on this forum saying the AI builds up play, or maybe some mid field play, is lying flat out. This to me is the only thing keeping me from making a first day purchase. I tried PES demo and the CPU definitely, without a doubt, has build up play and midfield play; but is so bare bones otherwise. please, please, please FIFA, fix this. If there is a fix for this; please let me know, am I missing something?

[Krebstar]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

Please FIFA team fix this, if you do, you got my $60. I am not a online player so CPU AI is important to me, and anyone on this forum saying the AI builds up play, or maybe some mid field play, is lying flat out. This to me is the only thing keeping me from making a first day purchase. I tried PES demo and the CPU definitely, without a doubt, has build up play and midfield play; but is so bare bones otherwise. please, please, please FIFA, fix this. If there is a fix for this; please let me know, am I missing something?

The main issue we run into now is not being able to implement custom tactics, and that it's such short halves.

[poster]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

I don't see how they will change it, certainly not before release. It has been the same since they moved over to the current gen systems.

I am going to try real hard to get back into the demo, but I have a hard time playing before getting bored as I can't do another year of this same fatal flaw. I doubt tactics will do anything as they didn't do much if anything at all last year. The game seems programmed to be a super speed spaz fest which is a shame. A teaser back pass here or there, but right after that slam on the gas and go forward as fast as you can time.

There will be no way to change tactics in MM once you start. I assume there will still be 28 slots so that is another epic fail they probably are not even aware of. So you can fix one and a half leagues if the tactics even work as they should.

This game does alot right, but just as much wrong. Both games have gaping holes in them. Might just be FM time, or else back to PES on the PC if I can even get it to work. Sad, I will give it an honest effort though.

[CueDub]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

When you play against another human opponent, most play in all-out attack mode anyway. Seriously, when you play against another person, are you passing the ball along the backline?

[marcoyk]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

I had a really good time with the game. Can't wait for the retail version.

[Hunkerdown]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

When you play against another human opponent, most play in all-out attack mode anyway. Seriously, when you play against another person, are you passing the ball along the backline?

Human opponents are human opponents. I already stated I play offline, and that is the issue, CPU AI. You are comparing apples to oranges. Playing against another human is just like playing ncaa or madden online; if they play real ball I play real ball, and it's great; but unfortunately most of time it's like CPU AI in FIFA push forward, push forward, push forward.

[Moshood]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

I don't see how they will change it, certainly not before release. It has been the same since they moved over to the current gen systems.

I am going to try real hard to get back into the demo, but I have a hard time playing before getting bored as I can't do another year of this same fatal flaw. I doubt tactics will do anything as they didn't do much if anything at all last year. The game seems programmed to be a super speed spaz fest which is a shame. A teaser back pass here or there, but right after that slam on the gas and go forward as fast as you can time.

There will be no way to change tactics in MM once you start. I assume there will still be 28 slots so that is another epic fail they probably are not even aware of. So you can fix one and a half leagues if the tactics even work as they should.

This game does alot right, but just as much wrong. Both games have gaping holes in them. Might just be FM time, or else back to PES on the PC if I can even get it to work. Sad, I will give it an honest effort though.

This is 1 of the Reasons I'm not getting FIFA 10. The CPU A.I in FIFA 10 does the Same Thing whenever it has Possession of the Ball and doesn't Resemble Real Futbol ( Soccer ). The CPU A.I in FIFA 10 no matter the Team simply Passes Forward, Dribbles around the Defense, Passes Forward, Dribbles around the Defense and then Shoots, Rinse and Repeat.

[poster]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

When you play against another human opponent, most play in all-out attack mode anyway. Seriously, when you play against another person, are you passing the ball along the backline?

I don't play online, but if I did I would want to play 15 or 20 minutes halves to enjoy football. Otherwise I see no point in playing. So during the course of the match maybe I would pass it along my backline or back in forth in the mid to keep possession and play tactical football. That is how the sport is played.

You can play it as you like, but I have an issue with playing that way, hence my issue with the game in general.




Just some general comments. I would love to play tactical football, but this game doesn't allow that against the CPU anyways as the pitch scale is way too small and its flies on **** mentality so you have no space with the ball at all. Another major flaw that in no way accurately represents the sport. It is a big reason for the back and forth pinball play. You can get up and down the pitch like nothing, no way that should be possible.

I don't want to be a bad guy, that always comes in here and complains. I try to have intelligent discussions without trolling. I want this to be the best game out there, they just seem to have little clue in how to represent the sport. Harsh perhaps, but what else am I suppose to think after three years of this? They must have spent all of their time on animations which are amazing and top notch, but big deal if the gameplay is awful.

One last point, and this will touch on another fatal flaw. Just got home from the gym and look at the scores. Arsenal trashing Wigan 4-0. Who scored Arsenal's first two goals? Vermaelen who can play on the wing, but usually is central in defense. The odds that against the CPU a defensemen scores twice in the normal course of play as he did? Impossible, just will never happen. Almost impossible even on set plays.

Why is that? Can you imagine if in Madden if running backs could never score against you, or in NBA Live/2K if the point guard never scored against you? The outrage would be out of control. I go to the EA FIFA UK forums and never see a peep about this. I just don't get it. This game is just stale, and not organic enough. Everyone on the pitch is capable of scoring, in this game the programming negates that.

Also in that match fouls 20 for Wigan to 8 for Arsenal. Why do you think that is? If they didn't foul them like this, it would have been 6 or 7 -0. They can't keep up so they have to foul to stop momentum. I can't fully comment on fouls as of yet, but for once will it be accurate in this game?

If you have the better side, you should earn more fouls. Or will the CPU Wigan be able to just kick your *** and foul you all over the pitch and take the ball without it being called?

[therizing02]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

I don't play online, but if I did I would want to play 15 or 20 minutes halves to enjoy football. Otherwise I see no point in playing. So during the course of the match maybe I would pass it along my backline or back in forth in the mid to keep possession and play tactical football. That is how the sport is played.

You can play it as you like, but I have an issue with playing that way, hence my issue with the game in general.




Just some general comments. I would love to play tactical football, but this game doesn't allow that against the CPU anyways as the pitch scale is way too small and its flies on **** mentality so you have no space with the ball at all. Another major flaw that in no way accurately represents the sport. It is a big reason for the back and forth pinball play. You can get up and down the pitch like nothing, no way that should be possible.

I don't want to be a bad guy, that always comes in here and complains. I try to have intelligent discussions without trolling. I want this to be the best game out there, they just seem to have little clue in how to represent the sport. Harsh perhaps, but what else am I suppose to think after three years of this? They must have spent all of their time on animations which are amazing and top notch, but big deal if the gameplay is awful.

One last point, and this will touch on another fatal flaw. Just got home from the gym and look at the scores. Arsenal trashing Wigan 4-0. Who scored Arsenal's first two goals? Vermaelen who can play on the wing, but usually is central in defense. The odds that against the CPU a defensemen scores twice in the normal course of play as he did? Impossible, just will never happen. Almost impossible even on set plays.

Why is that? Can you imagine if in Madden if running backs could never score against you, or in NBA Live/2K if the point guard never scored against you? The outrage would be out of control. I go to the EA FIFA UK forums and never see a peep about this. I just don't get it. This game is just stale, and not organic enough. Everyone on the pitch is capable of scoring, in this game the programming negates that.

Also in that match fouls 20 for Wigan to 8 for Arsenal. Why do you think that is? If they didn't foul them like this, it would have been 6 or 7 -0. They can't keep up so they have to foul to stop momentum. I can't fully comment on fouls as of yet, but for once will it be accurate in this game?

If you have the better side, you should earn more fouls. Or will the CPU Wigan be able to just kick your *** and foul you all over the pitch and take the ball without it being called?

Couldn't have said it better myself. Especially the FIFA boards comment. There are a handful of what I would actually call SIM guys that post there, but for the most part it's a bunch of teenagers that think FIFA is "realistic" because they have the license/uniforms and good graphics.

The developers post in that forum and the game, to their credit, is designed around the feedback from that Community. Again, props them for "listening", but that community seems to be more concerned with trick moves, online rankings, and highlight reel goals.

There has been a big push on the EA boards for changes/improvements to MM and the design team responded, but it's very rare that anyone ever posts anything about the lack of fouls, teams playing the same, and the fastbreak style football that plagues this game. Very frustrating.

I'm not completely down on FIFA 10 because I do notice some great things about the game. Maybe changes in CTT will help a little.

[JRod]

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I don't play online, but if I did I would want to play 15 or 20 minutes halves to enjoy football. Otherwise I see no point in playing. So during the course of the match maybe I would pass it along my backline or back in forth in the mid to keep possession and play tactical football. That is how the sport is played.

You can play it as you like, but I have an issue with playing that way, hence my issue with the game in general.




Just some general comments. I would love to play tactical football, but this game doesn't allow that against the CPU anyways as the pitch scale is way too small and its flies on **** mentality so you have no space with the ball at all. Another major flaw that in no way accurately represents the sport. It is a big reason for the back and forth pinball play. You can get up and down the pitch like nothing, no way that should be possible.

I don't want to be a bad guy, that always comes in here and complains. I try to have intelligent discussions without trolling. I want this to be the best game out there, they just seem to have little clue in how to represent the sport. Harsh perhaps, but what else am I suppose to think after three years of this? They must have spent all of their time on animations which are amazing and top notch, but big deal if the gameplay is awful.

One last point, and this will touch on another fatal flaw. Just got home from the gym and look at the scores. Arsenal trashing Wigan 4-0. Who scored Arsenal's first two goals? Vermaelen who can play on the wing, but usually is central in defense. The odds that against the CPU a defensemen scores twice in the normal course of play as he did? Impossible, just will never happen. Almost impossible even on set plays.

Why is that? Can you imagine if in Madden if running backs could never score against you, or in NBA Live/2K if the point guard never scored against you? The outrage would be out of control. I go to the EA FIFA UK forums and never see a peep about this. I just don't get it. This game is just stale, and not organic enough. Everyone on the pitch is capable of scoring, in this game the programming negates that.

Also in that match fouls 20 for Wigan to 8 for Arsenal. Why do you think that is? If they didn't foul them like this, it would have been 6 or 7 -0. They can't keep up so they have to foul to stop momentum. I can't fully comment on fouls as of yet, but for once will it be accurate in this game?

If you have the better side, you should earn more fouls. Or will the CPU Wigan be able to just kick your *** and foul you all over the pitch and take the ball without it being called?

In terms of fouls, no football game does this. Period! The other game used to have more fouls but now it's damn near impossible to draw them. Maybe this will be changed for the current version.

And no football game gets the interaction between the player with the ball and the defender. The defender should not try always shoulder tackle the dribbler. Any good player would just dribble around the defender. What this does is create a game that doesn't allow for proper 1-on-1 battles.

Both things frustrate me with both games!

I agree with the part that not enough non-strikers score goals. Maybe it will be addressed with the game. Players don't leave their position enough and help in support. I think EA just needs to program "crashing" the box AI. As in any real game, you'll see AM, MF, WB crash the box when necessary. You'll even see players like Ashley Cole, take it on the wing and send in a cross. FIFA needs to work on this.

[carnalnirvana]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

unless EA fixes the user's teammates this game will continue to be garbage...

i need my team ro be able to anticipate passes and close down the man before he touches the ball, this leads to 1-2 or touch back passes where players advance or make runs. as it stands now every one has acres of space to turn and sprint to goal...

turning to face goal in the final third is VERY hard in football especially against the better teams and the cpu has a good pressing game BUT the user has to hammer B button all game to get some pressure that is stupid...

if i set my team tactic to double they should do that with out me mashing the B button, damn it EA

all i want from fifa is for two guys to press a player trapping a pass force him to play it back and recover THATS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THIS GAME GREAT

BUT we all here over the years have come to know EA's slogan" if it makes sense DONT DO IT"

[Cubfan]

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Just finished a match in the demo and lost 1-0 I was Chicago Fire vs Juventus. Had a chance to tie the game on a penalty kick in the second half but over powered the shot and missed to the left. The goalie was going to the right had i not over powered the shot would have had a tie game. The CPU had 2 yellow cards and a red card. I had 1 yellow. I have been playing FIFA since it first appeared on the Genesis and thats the first i remember the cpu getting 2 yellow cards or even 1 red in a match. I'm not sure if im going to buy the game this year or not lots of other games to play. Had a blast playing.

[CueDub]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

I don't play online, but if I did I would want to play 15 or 20 minutes halves to enjoy football. Otherwise I see no point in playing. So during the course of the match maybe I would pass it along my backline or back in forth in the mid to keep possession and play tactical football. That is how the sport is played.

You can play it as you like, but I have an issue with playing that way, hence my issue with the game in general.




Just some general comments. I would love to play tactical football, but this game doesn't allow that against the CPU anyways as the pitch scale is way too small and its flies on **** mentality so you have no space with the ball at all. Another major flaw that in no way accurately represents the sport. It is a big reason for the back and forth pinball play. You can get up and down the pitch like nothing, no way that should be possible.

I don't want to be a bad guy, that always comes in here and complains. I try to have intelligent discussions without trolling. I want this to be the best game out there, they just seem to have little clue in how to represent the sport. Harsh perhaps, but what else am I suppose to think after three years of this? They must have spent all of their time on animations which are amazing and top notch, but big deal if the gameplay is awful.

One last point, and this will touch on another fatal flaw. Just got home from the gym and look at the scores. Arsenal trashing Wigan 4-0. Who scored Arsenal's first two goals? Vermaelen who can play on the wing, but usually is central in defense. The odds that against the CPU a defensemen scores twice in the normal course of play as he did? Impossible, just will never happen. Almost impossible even on set plays.

Why is that? Can you imagine if in Madden if running backs could never score against you, or in NBA Live/2K if the point guard never scored against you? The outrage would be out of control. I go to the EA FIFA UK forums and never see a peep about this. I just don't get it. This game is just stale, and not organic enough. Everyone on the pitch is capable of scoring, in this game the programming negates that.

Also in that match fouls 20 for Wigan to 8 for Arsenal. Why do you think that is? If they didn't foul them like this, it would have been 6 or 7 -0. They can't keep up so they have to foul to stop momentum. I can't fully comment on fouls as of yet, but for once will it be accurate in this game?

If you have the better side, you should earn more fouls. Or will the CPU Wigan be able to just kick your *** and foul you all over the pitch and take the ball without it being called?

Ok, I understand where you're coming from now. In past FIFA games, I've never played halves that long. I used to play 6 minute halves, and then 4 minute halves when I got good at scoring goals. I don't think the game is tuned for that long of match. I'm not going to argue whether it should be or not, but thats my opinion on it.

[KG]

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I don't play online, but if I did I would want to play 15 or 20 minutes halves to enjoy football. Otherwise I see no point in playing. So during the course of the match maybe I would pass it along my backline or back in forth in the mid to keep possession and play tactical football. That is how the sport is played.

You can play it as you like, but I have an issue with playing that way, hence my issue with the game in general.




Just some general comments. I would love to play tactical football, but this game doesn't allow that against the CPU anyways as the pitch scale is way too small and its flies on **** mentality so you have no space with the ball at all. Another major flaw that in no way accurately represents the sport. It is a big reason for the back and forth pinball play. You can get up and down the pitch like nothing, no way that should be possible.

I don't want to be a bad guy, that always comes in here and complains. I try to have intelligent discussions without trolling. I want this to be the best game out there, they just seem to have little clue in how to represent the sport. Harsh perhaps, but what else am I suppose to think after three years of this? They must have spent all of their time on animations which are amazing and top notch, but big deal if the gameplay is awful.

One last point, and this will touch on another fatal flaw. Just got home from the gym and look at the scores. Arsenal trashing Wigan 4-0. Who scored Arsenal's first two goals? Vermaelen who can play on the wing, but usually is central in defense. The odds that against the CPU a defensemen scores twice in the normal course of play as he did? Impossible, just will never happen. Almost impossible even on set plays.

Why is that? Can you imagine if in Madden if running backs could never score against you, or in NBA Live/2K if the point guard never scored against you? The outrage would be out of control. I go to the EA FIFA UK forums and never see a peep about this. I just don't get it. This game is just stale, and not organic enough. Everyone on the pitch is capable of scoring, in this game the programming negates that.

Also in that match fouls 20 for Wigan to 8 for Arsenal. Why do you think that is? If they didn't foul them like this, it would have been 6 or 7 -0. They can't keep up so they have to foul to stop momentum. I can't fully comment on fouls as of yet, but for once will it be accurate in this game?

If you have the better side, you should earn more fouls. Or will the CPU Wigan be able to just kick your *** and foul you all over the pitch and take the ball without it being called?

Sports games are becoming more "sim" in general when it comes to time. Look at Madden and NBA 2K. In order to have realistic stats you need to play extended quarter lengths. One of the things I like about FIFA is playing 10 min half lengths though. It allows me to progress through seasons faster. While it would be great to have to play longer halves in order to get realistic stats the game just isn't made for that.

[CueDub]

Re: FIFA Soccer 10 Demo Available in Europe (17th for US), Post Impressions Here

Can you download the demo with a silver membership? I tried to download it earlier and it told me I had to upgrade to Gold. Does anyone know? Is there another way to get another free month of gold once you use the original month that comes with the 360?