What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

[iax]

I have my line switching to auto and play 5 minute periods with stock fatigue sliders.

My lines stay on for ridiculous spells of time on the ice. I often dump the puck if a line has been on for a long time, yet the players would still not go for a change. I decided to start paying more attention to when lines change and noticed that, on one occasion, my first line did not change until 10 minutes of the period had elapsed.

I don't want to mess with the fatigue sliders becasue 1) the players' energy level is quite down as it is and 2) I don't like when players skate around at half their normal speed

Any thoughts?
How do you prompt players to change quicker with auto line?

[adayinthelife]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

If you really don't want to change the sliders around (which I would suggest doing) you can always push circle on ps3 or B on xbox and cycle through your lines during play and change them that way.

[baa7]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

I decided to start paying more attention to when lines change and noticed that, on one occasion, my first line did not change until 10 minutes of the period had elapsed.

I've seen that with my lines as well, although maybe not to that degree. I usually play with auto on, but I'm going to have to start manually switching. This morning my first line was on two yellow ticks of energy, so I ice... um, gosh, what were we talking about again?

[adayinthelife]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

I've seen that with my lines as well, although maybe not to that degree. I usually play with auto on, but I'm going to have to start manually switching. This morning my first line was on two yellow ticks of energy, so I iced the puck to get a faceoff. When play started up, they were still on, so I iced the puck again. Next faceoff, same thing.

A rule in the NHL is if your team ices the puck you can't make a line change .

[baa7]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

A rule in the NHL is if your team ices the puck you can't make a line change .

Okay then, I'll just delete that last post of mine so I don't look so stupid! But you have to delete my quote or this won't work.

[iax]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

A rule in the NHL is if your team ices the puck you can't make a line change .

Now, that is something I didn't know... Is this an International Hockey rule too, because I don't think it applies over here in England? Or may be I never paid attention...

Anyway, back to topic, are auto line changes broken or is there a knack to increase the frequency?

[tsp120]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

Now, that is something I didn't know... Is this an International Hockey rule too, because I don't think it applies over here in England? Or may be I never paid attention...

Anyway, back to topic, are auto line changes broken or is there a knack to increase the frequency?

This is a relatively new rule in the NHL, implemented a year or two ago. I like it, because it keeps a team from doing precisely what baa7 tried to do.

[baa7]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

This is a relatively new rule in the NHL, implemented a year or two ago.

There you go. I haven't followed hockey or watched a game on TV in eleven years. So I'm not stupid, just completely clued out is all.

[baa7]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

Anyway, back to topic, are auto line changes broken or is there a knack to increase the frequency?

It's definitely not broken because my guys seem to switch up fine when the action is going. I'll have to watch for that now, to see if and when they're staying on too long. At any rate, I would say a quick manual switch is the way to go if you need one line to get off the ice for whatever reason.

Also, I play with fatigue at full and fatigue recovery at 0. The fact is your fatigue slider may have to be lowered.

[adayinthelife]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

I've got the sliders adjusted which does increase the frequency of line changes but they are still pretty long. I don't mind that much because at the end of the game the TOI stats are pretty reasonable.

What I really don't like is when sometimes players just won't get off - the rest of their line has changed, sometimes multiple times and they just will not get off the ice for whatever reason until whistle.

Also in response to previous questions about the whole icing/line change thing: it's a rule that's only present in the NHL (possibly major junior hockey in NA too). To my knowledge it's not present in international hockey the same way that no touch icing isn't present in the NHL..

[speels]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

I am just going to throw this out there.
You play 5 minute periods. Which means that every minute on your score clock is actually 15 sec of playing time. Now, a regular shift is 30 sec to 1 minute, which means that inorder for your players to change as often as they do IRL, they would be one the ice for 15 second shifts. The problem is, inorder for you to make that happen so the auto changes would work, you would need to max out fatigue and lower fatigue recovery to 0.
A regular 1 minute shift is really 4 minutes in your game, so that may be why they look like they are staying on for such a long period of time.

To check this, next game, skate from behind your net to the far goal and see how long it take according to your game clock, now imagine that after 1 game clock minute in normal hockey, that line would be going for a line change. Definately playign 5 minute periods will heavily skew the line changing stats.

[savoie2006]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

Dumping the puck initiates Line Changes, so when you notice your line getting tired Dump the puck in.

[ChiTownKid]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

Okay then, I'll just delete that last post of mine so I don't look so stupid! But you have to delete my quote or this won't work.

I laughed a little here.

[Donovan]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

As one guy stated the period length makes a difference. I play 6-7 min periods, raise the fatigue up to one below max, and use auto line changes but make some on my own anyway. I only change it up on the fly when its been a long shift without a whistle, but this seems to work. Even with a period where theres lots of penalties I can get my 4th line in for a couple shifts, and match lines before the faceoffs as I can usually guess which lines the cpu will put out.

[bcgudely]

Re: What's the deal with lines staying on for 10 minutes?

Either way, if you don't manually change, some players will just stay out there for way too long. I always use manual changes, so it's not that big of a gripe for me as far as my Be A GM play, etc.

However, for my Be A Pro it's super annoying. I hate having to "call" for the change because the one idiot winger from line 1 is STILL out there trying to triple shift it.

I really thought this would be addressed this season, and it's really only one of the very few things that I'm not happy about this year.