Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

[BlueNGold]

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Is this the new excuse now?
I'm sick and tired of the "recession" excuse....did it effect Batman? nope...
is it going to effect Call of Duty :MW2? I seriously doubt it.

The reason Maddens sales are down (imo)....it's due to the lackluster gameplay,that people are getting tired of,and having to wait 2-3 months AFTER purchasing the game on release to actually start a decent franchise.

I will admit they did some things that show their headed in the right direction....BUT...this is the 5th installment (4th on ps3) on the 360,and there are STILL flaws in the fundamentals of football,that (imo) just should not be there.

I read post after post of people saying "good job EA" for patching these issues...but exactly WHAT are we thanking them for?? This is not the invention of the wheel!!...this is football,that's been played the same way for how many years now?

Maybe I am wrong about the recession thing, I don't know. I don't pay attention or care about the sales of a game.

We're thanking EA for not leaving the issues with the game unpatched. They could very easily just say "Patching the game is going to take away time from Madden 11, so we aren't going to do a patch." but they didn't. They supported their customers.

[MARTZball]

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I think some are chasing a holy grail just ain't there re: football gaming.

Just my opinion.

[Lukin4]

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Maybe I am wrong about the recession thing, I don't know. I don't pay attention or care about the sales of a game.

We're thanking EA for not leaving the issues with the game unpatched. They could very easily just say "Patching the game is going to take away time from Madden 11, so we aren't going to do a patch." but they didn't. They supported their customers.

EA are really in a catch 22 situation with all this..... people are crying out for them to patch issues in M10, but by doing that they are taking away resources from the development of M11.... but if they don't patch M10, they risk those same customers getting frustrated and not buying M11 anyway....

While i'm looking forward to the second patch mainly for the franchise stats fix, i'm more than happy with the game as it is now anyway..... beats the hell out of the other PS3 versions of Madden

[terrell2483]

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Is this the new excuse now?
I'm sick and tired of the "recession" excuse....did it effect Batman? nope...
is it going to effect Call of Duty :MW2? I seriously doubt it.

The reason Maddens sales are down (imo)....it's due to the lackluster gameplay,that people are getting tired of,and having to wait 2-3 months AFTER purchasing the game on release to actually start a decent franchise.

I will admit they did some things that show their headed in the right direction....BUT...this is the 5th installment (4th on ps3) on the 360,and there are STILL flaws in the fundamentals of football,that (imo) just should not be there.

I read post after post of people saying "good job EA" for patching these issues...but exactly WHAT are we thanking them for?? This is not the invention of the wheel!!...this is football,that's been played the same way for how many years now?

Just cause they sold better during the recession doesn't mean the recession isn't effecting it. If it wasn't a recession it would most likely sell more then it did now including more then Madden so that doesn't your arguement about Batman and MW2 doesn't really hold any weight.

[Kramer5150]

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Just cause they sold better during the recession doesn't mean the recession isn't effecting it. If it wasn't a recession it would most likely sell more then it did now including more then Madden so that doesn't your arguement about Batman and MW2 doesn't really hold any weight.

Believe whatever you need to believe.
What was the excuse for the declining sales in previous years then? there sure as heck wasn't a "recession" then,now was there.

Imo,people are fed up,if you believe Maddens sales (this year) are all due to the "recession"...then I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.

[stanley roper]

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Happily. And I'm sure most of the developers would agree it's hard for them as well

The Show: An entire mode (RTTS) has a debilitating glitch that can crash it beyond recovery that was never completely isolated and fixed (despite THREE patches).

-Franchise mode has numerous glitches (most around staff and the DL).

-People, like with nearly every sport game, complain the game cheats (not saying I agree, because I don't, but it gets the criticism...which means there are aspects that people feel needs addressing).

NBA 2K: Association has glitches-broken training if you do it manually is one of the bigger ones.

-Post-play has been a gripe for awhile now, online has apparently had issues, etc.

FIFA: Manager mode has been hit with a list of glitches so long, I stopped reading it before I was done...lol. There are defensive positioning problems, Be A Pro has progression issues, goalies have braindead moments, etc.

NHL: Franchise mode's stat tracking is a mess, FA and trade logic is goofed, and the mode is bare-bones again.

Defensive and Goalie AI has suspect moments and there are physics issues, freezes, etc to consider as well. Also, to be fair and consistent with the arguments always presented here, many feel the game isn't "sim" hockey, but more fast-paced. I can't intelligently opine on that personally, as I'm no hockey buff, but it is said plenty.

Fight Night: I've played this one the least and haven't played at all since it was patched, but AI, clipping, freezing, and various online glitches were listed from the jump. May be fixed now, I dunno.





Now, all of these range from good-to great, I agree. But if you look at just the negatives you'd probably run screaming before ever firing them up to find out.

The point is these seem to overlooked in ways Madden's glitches never are. I really think most of it is based on reputation over recent years. Some are riding high reputation, some are riding the level of recent years' improvement. All are given the benefit of the doubt regardless of some very comparable flaws.

None of this is to say that benefit of the doubt isn't warranted. Neither is it to say that Madden hasn't earned the scrutiny it gets over their time on this generation of consoles. The only point is, if we are going to list frames of reference, lets get all the cards on the table.

Madden is held to a higher standard in part because of the sport it represents, and in-part because it owns exclusive rights to represent that sports dominant and most popular brand. Because of this, they can't afford (like both FIFA AND NHL did) to really rebuild. They have to do it more transitionally. Add in the mess it made of itself and the admittedly (meaning Ian, Phill, and I'm sure other EA guys admit) poor decision-making in the transition to the current consoles, and it's creates a hole to dig out of as well.

I think the transition has started working (hints last year, more realization for 10) and the team has the right focus and direction. It just takes time. Yes, before the obvious is stated, they've already collectively had time. It's perfectly reasonable for people to jump ship and not put up with the transition. It's also perfectly reasonable to point out flaws in hopes they get fixed.

Let's just not pretend it's any more "broken" and patch-dependent than the vast majority of games available on these consoles, particulalry those with comparable dev cycles. "Playable", aside from stability issues, is entirely subjective.

/End Book.

EDIT: and I'm sorry it's so long, but I don't plan on adding to much more to that...so no need to worry about a repeat performance in this thread at least.

I think now you're just nitpicking. I know you believe EA Madden can get better or you just believe in that general. In actuality, I believe most people think this way that defend EA no matter what. I'm not calling you a fanboy, keep that in mind. Just saying some people believe EA Madden can do better.

But I played all of those games and I don't see any of those problems being a game killer. And honestly, I'm playing The Show to this day, was playing Madden but the stats was a game killer for me, as well as many other bugs and glitches in the game.

I'm pretty much generalizing how all those games I mentioned, there are no big complaints like that of this year's Madden.

Like the other poster said, i'm enjoying this year's Madden more than past than ever, but it is with it's faults. They just need to address the real issues, the issues with the fans of this game, and i'm pretty sure after that, this game will be legitimate.

[countryboy]

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I think now you're just nitpicking. I know you believe EA Madden can get better or you just believe in that general. In actuality, I believe most people think this way that defend EA no matter what. I'm not calling you a fanboy, keep that in mind. Just saying some people believe EA Madden can do better.

But I played all of those games and I don't see any of those problems being a game killer. And honestly, I'm playing The Show to this day, was playing Madden but the stats was a game killer for me, as well as many other bugs and glitches in the game.

I'm pretty much generalizing how all those games I mentioned, there are no big complaints like that of this year's Madden.

Like the other poster said, i'm enjoying this year's Madden more than past than ever, but it is with it's faults. They just need to address the real issues, the issues with the fans of this game, and i'm pretty sure after that, this game will be legitimate.

I don't consider any of those issues gamekillers either, but that hasn't stopped a handful of people from proclaiming those issues to be on those message boards. Same thing here in the Madden forum,some people see various issues as "gamekillers" while others don't.

No matter which game you look at, there are going to be faults that people can't look past. And there will be people who can play and enjoy the game despite its faults. Its how its always been and how it always will be, and Madden is no different.

[johnkorean]

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Believe whatever you need to believe.
What was the excuse for the declining sales in previous years then? there sure as heck wasn't a "recession" then,now was there.

Imo,people are fed up,if you believe Maddens sales (this year) are all due to the "recession"...then I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.

Keep in mind that, as a previous poster claims, the vast majority of people who buy Madden are parents buying the game for their children. It's much easier in a recession to say "I'm not buying you another Madden. You just got one last year" to a game that comes out every year as opposed to a unique game such as Batman.

It could be gameplay issues. It could be the recession. It could be a number of things.

[GTheorenHobbes]

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Keep in mind that, as a previous poster claims, the vast majority of people who buy Madden are parents buying the game for their children.

Vast majority? It's just my opinion, but I personally think that's crazy. Or another excuse that doesn't hold any water. Again, just my opinion.

[johnkorean]

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Has anyone considered the "EA actually has a disincentive to create the perfect game because if they do, no one will buy any subsequent versions and will just download roster updates instead" angle? This is the internet for Pete's sake! Where are the conspiracy theorists?!?!

[Trevytrev11]

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Has anyone considered the "EA actually has a disincentive to create the perfect game because if they do, no one will buy any subsequent versions and will just download roster updates instead" angle? This is the internet for Pete's sake! Where are the conspiracy theorists?!?!

It'd be one thing if they were close, but there is so much improvement to be made in almost every facet of the game that this isn't even in the realm of possiblity as of where they are now.

And if this was the case, EA could easily charge only $40 or $50 for annual updates (rosters, ratings, uniforms, playbooks, stadiums, etc) and probably make more of a profit than they are now. If the game was so solid that all they had to put out were these simple updates, think of the money they would save on developmental and production payroll, marketing, printing, packaging, shipping, etc.

[treq21]

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Nice post. I agree on most of it.

The unfortunate thing is we (the hardcore/sim crowd) are the minority so more often than not the features are going to be aimed at the casual crowd.

And the online gamers. Offline gamers are the LAST ones to be considered. OUT of all my friends who own madden, I am the ONLY one who plays an offline franchise.

[Trevytrev11]

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Just cause they sold better during the recession doesn't mean the recession isn't effecting it. If it wasn't a recession it would most likely sell more then it did now including more then Madden so that doesn't your arguement about Batman and MW2 doesn't really hold any weight.

How about MLB: The Show? That should be pretty comparable, right? Both are annually released sports titles

For the PS3 version over the first 10 weeks of sales:

MLB The Show 08: 309,852 units
MLB The Show 09: 377,282 units

09 sold about 22% more copies over the first 10 weeks than the 08 version and would have faced the same, if not worse (depends on which economist you ask) economic conditions than Madden. And it also had competition from 2K (though one could easily argue that 2K presented 0 competition).

[jira2004]

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I really see why Ian is not on here anymore!

[spankdatazz22]

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The point is these seem to overlooked in ways Madden's glitches never are. I really think most of it is based on reputation over recent years. Some are riding high reputation, some are riding the level of recent years' improvement. All are given the benefit of the doubt regardless of some very comparable flaws.

I would say all the games you noted represent their sport better than Madden represents [football]. I haven't played them all but from what I know and have read I feel comfortable saying that's the case. I think most people are able to take into account what a game is on the whole and judge it's flaws accordingly. I look at it like, if you're in a great relationship and you forget to do something simple like clean up after yourself - no big deal. But be in a bad relationship where your girl is already at the edge, that same little thing is enough to set her off. That's where a lot of football fans are w/Madden imo.

I don't feel it's because Madden's being held to some higher standard, because that's DEFINITELY not the case imo. Even with exclusivity, Tiburon hasn't put to rest comparisons between it and older games - that's pretty ridiculous at this point. I'm pretty sure most fans of the games you noted aren't looking back at older iterations as being equally good or better. That's on Tiburon.