Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

[roadman]

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The above type of cut-scene does add to the game ... Extra Point imo adds ZERO value. "Pretend" half-time shows just don't work imo, never will. In-game cut-scenes on the other hand are definitely worth retaining.

I agree with that 100%, but I will say that because 08 and 09 were so boring, I do look at EP. It's not 100% what it could be, but in my case, I'll take it, to me, it's better than just end of the game highlights and not having anything at all.

[LAKE4742]

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There's only so much time, money and other resources... especially with patches. You can't do everything at once. Something has to have a higher priority than something else.

Really rings true, especially when one takes a good look at what the Live 10 team accomplished this year. While they didn't completely scrap presentation, they didn't completely ignore it, either. But, it's obvious they focused alot more on revamping the gameplay, and making it higher priority. Now, the base is good, and presentation can be more focused on. It shouldn't be the other way around.

Madden has never truly revamped the gameplay this gen. They keep adding gimmicks, better graphics, but not enough attention given to the core gameplay. Live 10 may not have guys sweeping the court, but the gameplay is much improved. Take a look at the reviews for Live this year, and see the genuine appreciation for focusing on gameplay over presentation.

[RiddelMeThis22]

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I agree with that 100%, but I will say that because 08 and 09 were so boring, I do look at EP. It's not 100% what it could be, but in my case, I'll take it, to me, it's better than just end of the game highlights and not having anything at all.

i dont agree with you. i think the cut scenes are not very god at all in madden 10. i dont even notice half the cut scenes bec im picking my play so i dont see it anyway. But i think the cut scenes are perfect for two player games. gives you something to watch while the other player is picking the play. i hope madden dev finds a better way to make the cut scenes more better and more visible during the game next game.

[j2k9]

Please add FLACK JACKETS, RUNNING BACK PLATES, & DIFFERENT STYLES OF NECK BRACES. These are the most worn accessories in the NFL but yet there not in the game? Come on EA!

[swiftychampleone]

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Absolutely baffling.

I don't agree with this at all.

How can you think that? Who plays for cut scenes and overlays? Don't you people play the game to play football?

If the game doesn't play like football, then what good is atmosphere?



That's not true either.

There's only so much time, money and other resources... especially with patches. You can't do everything at once. Something has to have a higher priority than something else.

Honestly, I don't care how great gameplay is. If the atmosphere is bad, who wants to play it? 20 years ago on NES and Genesis this stuff didn't matter. As technology has grown over 20 years, how can we not have high expectations for it to mirror the real NFL? The thorough recap shows and fluent commentary happens on Sunday. Similar to what EA advertised as the tagline for this game right? There's no excuse for why any of this can't happen. Atmosphere and Gameplay should be a marriage in all sports games. Commentary in Madden is horrible, but NBA 2K10 and MLB The Show 09 commentary is SICK? Am I missing something here? I'm not directing this at you BGeno, but some gamers need to stop settling for less and raise your expectations.

IMO, there is something seriously wrong if a person plays the masterpieces of presentation and gameplay like NFL 2K5 and Madden 04 & 05 on last gen systems and comes over to next-gen and NOT ask for even better.

[Segagendude]

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I haven't been on the Madden forums since this summer (I knew I couldn't afford the game and didn't want to get myself excited about it), but this is something that has bothered me as well... and, frankly, it's another reason I quit checking out the Madden forum. To me, some people's priorities are a little off.

And I caught some **** for it when I mentioned in the summer that I'd rather they fix gameplay than work on presentation stuff that gets old after the third time you see it anyhow.

So if gameplay was as tight as the real thing in Madden 08, you'd be happy as pie with that????

That game was beyond boring. I disagree with what you say, presentation and immersion is what keeps me playing and not falling asleep. M10 is headed in the right direction in this regard, and the Extra Point can be expanded upon big time. This year was the "inaugural" year for that show.....

[Exonerated]

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Conflicting perspectives occur because of a unique stance to the topic at hand.

[KBLover]

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Honestly, I don't care how great gameplay is. If the atmosphere is bad, who wants to play it?

I do.

I want football to played well on a football game.

If that doesn't happen, all the realistic atmosphere and grass getting chewed up and halftime shows don't matter to me.

I liked 2K5 - not for the halftime show, but for the depth of the gameplay and the weekly planning system.

Maybe because I'm a text-sim player at heart (OOTP, Baseball Mogul, etc) I care less about graphics over balanced and realistic gameplay and game systems, but I would MUCH rather have Madden play the game of football very well over giving me the TV-Show like presentation.

MLB The Show was brought up. It's awesome in commentary - but if it played a poor game of baseball, I would be saying "that's nice - great commentary" and not play much because the sport itself is played too poorly.

Given the way the Madden gameplay is, I'm not asking for less by wanting it perfected as much as possible.

[Old Mr T]

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It's obviously a personal choice but for me;

1.) Gameplay
2.) Presentation

I don't agree with the sentiment that one has to be sacrificed for the other. Surely both aspects can be built upon as the game matures.

The advantage of Madden releasing a new version year upon year is that it allows them to keep building upon what they already have.

Extra Point for example is a good idea and should remain. Let's hope it's just the start of what the presentation can be. It's severely lacking in content but I see it as a basic building block for an aspect of the game which be improved massively.

The same applies to gameplay.

What I can't abide is when parts of the game are removed. There is no excuse for that whatsoever (Removing the much loved Madden Classic Cam really baffled me and has affected my enjoyment of the game).

As long as Madden aims to keep improving and adding to the game (as opposed to removing things) then I see no reason why both gameplay and presentation can't receive substantial improvements for Madden 11.

[NdaZone7]

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This patch isnt gonna fix anything. Im sorry but patch 1 broke the game more. It did some decent things but add more things to break the game.

The only reason EA is spending all this time on patch 2 is just to get people that put off buying Madden to be like now I can buy it because they fixed the game which there just tricking them.

Madden sales are way down because the game is just a broken train wreck, and this patch is just to grab more sales and not save or fix the game.

By the time this patch is released its gonna be New years and the NFL season is fonna be almost over with Madden 11 on its way in like 5 months.

[bgeno]

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Honestly, I don't care how great gameplay is. If the atmosphere is bad, who wants to play it?

If the gameplay was sick, I'd play it. Atmosphere gets old, gameplay keeps me coming back for more.

Am I missing something here? I'm not directing this at you BGeno, but some gamers need to stop settling for less and raise your expectations.

You're talking to people who prefer gameplay over presentation about settling for less? Pot, meet kettle.

So if gameplay was as tight as the real thing in Madden 08, you'd be happy as pie with that????

Absolutely.

I do.

I want football to played well on a football game.

If that doesn't happen, all the realistic atmosphere and grass getting chewed up and halftime shows don't matter to me.

Bingo.



I can watch football on Sundays for realistic halftime shows and cut scenes and all that jazz. In fact, everything there is done PERFECT.

What I can't do on Sundays (or any other time for that matter) is control my team, take over the coaching duties and tell a player almost exactly what to do.

I can do presentation every weekend, but I can't do gameplay.



Maybe you guys should try Blitz: The League? And I don't mean that in a condescending tone. It, admittedly, has some neat cut scenes and presentation elements.

[swiftychampleone]

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I do.

I want football to played well on a football game.

If that doesn't happen, all the realistic atmosphere and grass getting chewed up and halftime shows don't matter to me.

I liked 2K5 - not for the halftime show, but for the depth of the gameplay and the weekly planning system.

Maybe because I'm a text-sim player at heart (OOTP, Baseball Mogul, etc) I care less about graphics over balanced and realistic gameplay and game systems, but I would MUCH rather have Madden play the game of football very well over giving me the TV-Show like presentation.

MLB The Show was brought up. It's awesome in commentary - but if it played a poor game of baseball, I would be saying "that's nice - great commentary" and not play much because the sport itself is played too poorly.

Given the way the Madden gameplay is, I'm not asking for less by wanting it perfected as much as possible.

I also want football to be played well. Both should be done right. If you noticed my earlier post, I hit on how important gameplay is. What I'm saying is, one should no be sacrificed for the other. Like Roadman stated, there are separate groups on the EA team that work on different areas of the game. So my question to EA is, what's the problem?

[Dmacho]

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So if gameplay was as tight as the real thing in Madden 08, you'd be happy as pie with that????

That game was beyond boring. I disagree with what you say, presentation and immersion is what keeps me playing and not falling asleep. M10 is headed in the right direction in this regard, and the Extra Point can be expanded upon big time. This year was the "inaugural" year for that show.....

The gameplay is the most important aspect of any game, I don't know how you can argue that. The game has improved a lot of presentation aspects ; however, Madden 10 is still crap because the ratings are absolutely meaningless.

[swiftychampleone]

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If the gameplay was sick, I'd play it. Atmosphere gets old, gameplay keeps me coming back for more.



You're talking to people who prefer gameplay over presentation about settling for less? Pot, meet kettle.



Absolutely.



Bingo.



I can watch football on Sundays for realistic halftime shows and cut scenes and all that jazz. In fact, everything there is done PERFECT.

What I can't do on Sundays (or any other time for that matter) is control my team, take over the coaching duties and tell a player almost exactly what to do.

I can do presentation every weekend, but I can't do gameplay.



Maybe you guys should try Blitz: The League? And I don't mean that in a condescending tone. It, admittedly, has some neat cut scenes and presentation elements.

Pot, meet kettle? Where and how? Please explain because I never shot down anyone who preferred gameplay over presentation. My theory is that BOTH should be done well. I clearly said in my earlier post that atmosphere and gameplay should a marriage.

Gameplay should be an automatic in any game. It's like the engine of a car, it must perform well. But why stop there? Let's make that car look great. Let throw in all the sounds and feel of true NFL broadcast like we see on Sundays. We have the technology to do all of this correctly. We shouldn't be sitting here saying, "Go play Blitz or that's what the real NFL is for or it's just a video game." If that stuff doesn't matter to you BGeno, no ill will or hate towards you and totally respect your opinion. But people have to ask themselves, "Why does EA have the ESPN and NFL exclusivity if they won't integrate much of at all?"

[bgeno]

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Pot, meet kettle? Where and how? Please explain because I never shot down anyone who preferred gameplay over presentation. My theory is that BOTH should be done well. I clearly said in my earlier post that atmosphere and gameplay should a marriage.

My bad, man. I didn't notice that. Sorry.

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No, I'm going to stick with the pot vs. kettle thing...

Honestly, I don't care how great gameplay is. If the atmosphere is bad, who wants to play it?

On topic, though...

Gameplay should be an automatic in any game. It's like the engine of a car, it must perform well. But why stop there? Let's make that car look great. Let throw in all the sounds and feel of true NFL broadcast like we see on Sundays. We have the technology to do all of this correctly.

That sounds great in theory. But, like I said, even though there are two development departments in the design of a game (visual/presentation and gameplay), there is still only so much time and so many resources.

There are ALWAYS going to be some things that get priority over others, especially in a patch. You may have to sacrifice a gameplay element for presentation or vice versa. You can't get everything all the time.

We shouldn't be sitting here saying, "Go play Blitz or that's what the real NFL is for or it's just a video game." If that stuff doesn't matter to you BGeno, no ill will or hate towards you and totally respect your opinion. But people have to ask themselves, "Why does EA have the ESPN and NFL exclusivity if they won't integrate much of at all?"

And people also have to ask themselves, "What's the point of the utilizing the ESPN license if the game plays like crap?"

Why not put extra resources into making the game PLAY like real football, as opposed to it just LOOKING like real football? After all, it's a game that you're supposed to play, not a movie you're supposed to watch.