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  • 2krules
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    • Sep 2005
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    #211
    Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

    Presentation takes on much more importance in the single player experience, in my opinion. It's really easy to get bored mid-game while playing a game that has bad presentation. As someone who plays 99% of his games in single player mode, I can say that presentation is vitally important.

    But with the multi-player (sitting in same room) experience, the presentation's not as important because you and your friend serve as your own presentation, in a way; everything from comments, trash-talking, facial expressions, etc. can all make up for lack of in-game presentation.

    Online can go either way, depending on whether or not you're communicating with your opponent via headset.

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    • swiftychampleone
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      • Dec 2008
      • 328

      #212
      Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

      Originally posted by bgeno
      My bad, man. I didn't notice that. Sorry.

      ::edit::

      No, I'm going to stick with the pot vs. kettle thing...



      On topic, though...



      That sounds great in theory. But, like I said, even though there are two development departments in the design of a game (visual/presentation and gameplay), there is still only so much time and so many resources.

      There are ALWAYS going to be some things that get priority over others, especially in a patch. You may have to sacrifice a gameplay element for presentation or vice versa. You can't get everything all the time.



      And people also have to ask themselves, "What's the point of the utilizing the ESPN license if the game plays like crap?"

      Why not put extra resources into making the game PLAY like real football, as opposed to it just LOOKING like real football? After all, it's a game that you're supposed to play, not a movie you're supposed to watch.
      Nah, no big deal. I thought you meant Pot calling kettle. That's on me

      You see, 2Krules makes a great point, BGeno. Where I come from, I spend a lot of my time as a single player in Franchise Mode. All the quirks of presentation means a lot to me. You have a point that we can get everything, but it can come close. We can also expect a top notch effort as well. I'm not big on baseball games, but it makes no sense how deep that MLB 09 Show team went with presentation AND GAMEPLAY. Sometimes you have to compare sports games angainst each other and measure them up.

      The gameplay can be great and of course it's king. However, what else can Madden 10 do? This involves the presentation and modes around it. What can Madden 10 do to keep me playing? In my eyesight and MANY others, Franchise Mode is broken and still not entertaining. Look at what Franchise Mode was on the last gen systems (04-06) and look at what it is now? I was able to play 6 or 7 years of Franchise mode with ease and no regret on last gen. Can't say the same about that mode now.

      Once again, look at the technology of the systems we have now. We should be able to play AND take in the environment of the games. This should apply to all games and not be an exception to sports games.
      Whatever you do, don't give constructive criticism or say anything negative about Madden video games! It seems to be the equivalent of a felony...

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      • ddanese1978
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        • Jul 2009
        • 77

        #213
        Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

        Originally posted by Ian_Cummings_EA
        Check out the Madden NFL 10 blog, which talks about the preliminary details of the 2nd title update.
        IAN or WHOEVER MAKES DECISIONS,

        When is the Tackling Bug going to be fixed? This is getting ridicules! The game DOES NOT ADD tackles + assists - Total Tackles.. LIKE IT SHOULD! this is the EASIEST bug to fix and was not addressed in the 1st patch.. and it appears its not being addressed AGAIN!.. this should be #1 on your top priority list!

        PLEASE.. I am begging you.. PLEASE fix that NOW! Franchise mode is UNPLAYABLE until you fix this!

        PLEASE... PLEASE .. FIX THIS!!!

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        • RumbleCard
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          • Aug 2007
          • 1230

          #214
          Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

          Originally posted by ddanese1978
          IAN or WHOEVER MAKES DECISIONS,

          When is the Tackling Bug going to be fixed? This is getting ridicules! The game DOES NOT ADD tackles + assists - Total Tackles.. LIKE IT SHOULD! this is the EASIEST bug to fix and was not addressed in the 1st patch.. and it appears its not being addressed AGAIN!.. this should be #1 on your top priority list!

          PLEASE.. I am begging you.. PLEASE fix that NOW! Franchise mode is UNPLAYABLE until you fix this!

          PLEASE... PLEASE .. FIX THIS!!!
          Looman said this was part of the fixes going into "franchise". He even showed updated screens with the proper calculations.
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          • ddanese1978
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            • Jul 2009
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            #215
            Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

            Originally posted by RumbleCard
            Looman said this was part of the fixes going into "franchise". He even showed updated screens with the proper calculations.
            Really?? This will be in the 2nd patch??

            If this is true.. THANK GOD!

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            • Bellsprout
              Hard Times.
              • Oct 2009
              • 25652

              #216
              Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

              Soooo we're not fixing the glitchy running animation on long runs that causes Chris Johnson to be caught from behind by linebackers? I realize it's supposed to mirror fatigue in real life, but it's mostly just annoying.

              And yes, I understand that the list isn't complete.

              And yes, the stuff that IS in the patch sounds fantastic.
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              • sportyguyfl31
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                • Nov 2005
                • 4745

                #217
                Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                If the hook zone awareness is addressed, that combined with the flats beingresolved will allow me to play the game without losing my sanity.

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                • KBLover
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                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #218
                  Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                  Originally posted by swiftychampleone
                  Once again, look at the technology of the systems we have now. We should be able to play AND take in the environment of the games. This should apply to all games and not be an exception to sports games.
                  Yeah, but AI takes resources.

                  It's why the AI sucks in a lot of games, sports or otherwise - it takes resources away from the "sellable back of the box" stuff, especially if the game is more for hot-seat/head-to-head/or online-MP play. It's hard to show off great AI, it's easy to show off great environments, photo-realistic jerseys, and high-res graphics.

                  In a sports game, the AI has to be even better because it's acting as much as coach as it is each individual player AND doing so for every player on the field, except the one(s) the human(s) is/are controlling. If the game is to play football well, the AI has to improve because playcalling is HUGE in football as is scheme and philosophy of the coach (what player skill sets he wants for his team). Also, situations in football are more numerous and complex.

                  If we get all those right AND top level presentation, I wonder if that's even possible? I've not played a football game that's had all that, not even 2K5.
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                  • swiftychampleone
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 328

                    #219
                    Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                    Originally posted by KBLover
                    Yeah, but AI takes resources.

                    It's why the AI sucks in a lot of games, sports or otherwise - it takes resources away from the "sellable back of the box" stuff, especially if the game is more for hot-seat/head-to-head/or online-MP play. It's hard to show off great AI, it's easy to show off great environments, photo-realistic jerseys, and high-res graphics.

                    In a sports game, the AI has to be even better because it's acting as much as coach as it is each individual player AND doing so for every player on the field, except the one(s) the human(s) is/are controlling. If the game is to play football well, the AI has to improve because playcalling is HUGE in football as is scheme and philosophy of the coach (what player skill sets he wants for his team). Also, situations in football are more numerous and complex.

                    If we get all those right AND top level presentation, I wonder if that's even possible? I've not played a football game that's had all that, not even 2K5.
                    I respect your opinion, but...

                    I'm going to tell you why I'm not buying the resources argument. NFL 2K5 AND Madden 05 both had really good gameplay and presentation. Actually, 2K5 had better presentation that is STILL acknowledged and will leave any next-gen Madden (07-10) presentation dead in the water. Now that was on Xbox/PS2. How do you go from those systems to the technology X360/PS3 and not be able to pull this off and do it even better?

                    Real talk, something does NOT add up here. Let's be serious folks and think about this for a second...
                    Whatever you do, don't give constructive criticism or say anything negative about Madden video games! It seems to be the equivalent of a felony...

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                    • dfos81
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                      • Jun 2009
                      • 2210

                      #220
                      Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                      Originally posted by KBLover
                      Yeah, but AI takes resources.

                      It's why the AI sucks in a lot of games, sports or otherwise - it takes resources away from the "sellable back of the box" stuff, especially if the game is more for hot-seat/head-to-head/or online-MP play. It's hard to show off great AI, it's easy to show off great environments, photo-realistic jerseys, and high-res graphics.

                      In a sports game, the AI has to be even better because it's acting as much as coach as it is each individual player AND doing so for every player on the field, except the one(s) the human(s) is/are controlling. If the game is to play football well, the AI has to improve because playcalling is HUGE in football as is scheme and philosophy of the coach (what player skill sets he wants for his team). Also, situations in football are more numerous and complex.

                      If we get all those right AND top level presentation, I wonder if that's even possible? I've not played a football game that's had all that, not even 2K5.
                      Its all about the mighty dollar.

                      The truth is EA wants to sell the same game over multiple platforms.
                      They could fit everything they need on a Blu-Ray disc but then that game would only produce money off of 1 platform.

                      Really having all these different platforms(360, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, etc). is hendering the programmers ability to produce the highest quality game for us.

                      If Sony ever gets a chance to produce a football game that uses all it can on a Blu-Ray disc, that would be the day next-gen actually becomes next-gen for football gamers.

                      Until then will be dealing w/ half arsed games just so they can sell more of the same b/s over multiple platforms.

                      I really pray for the day that Sony(Incognito or someone exclusive to sony) gets the chance to produce a football game exclusive to SONY!
                      That would be the day a real football next-gen game is produced.

                      This is just mho. Now I'll step off my soapbox lol
                      Last edited by dfos81; 10-20-2009, 02:59 PM.

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                      • swiftychampleone
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                        • Dec 2008
                        • 328

                        #221
                        Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                        Originally posted by dfos81
                        Its all about the mighty dollar.

                        The truth is EA wants to sell the same game over multiple platforms.
                        They could fit everything they need on a Blu-Ray disc but then that game would only produce money off of 1 platform.

                        Really having all these different platforms(360, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, etc). is hendering the programmers ability to produce the highest quality game for us.

                        If Sony ever gets a chance to produce a football game that uses all it can on a Blu-Ray disc, that would be the day next-gen actually becomes next-gen for football gamers.

                        Until then will be dealing w/ have arsed games just so they can sell more of the same b/s over multiple platforms.

                        I really pray for the day that Sony(Incognito or someone exclusive to sony) gets the chance to produce a football game exclusive to SONY!
                        That would be the day a real football next-gen game is produced.

                        This is just mho.
                        You just hit the nail on the head! Another reason why the game is held back. I didn't want to go there because we all know what a Madden developed on Blu-Ray would do! It would be a crime if that happen, lol! I still think that the DVD format could give us that quality gameplay and presentation that we want so bad.
                        Whatever you do, don't give constructive criticism or say anything negative about Madden video games! It seems to be the equivalent of a felony...

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                        • Dmacho
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                          • Jun 2009
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                          #222
                          Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                          Originally posted by dfos81
                          Its all about the mighty dollar.



                          Really having all these different platforms(360, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, etc). is hendering the programmers ability to produce the highest quality game for us.

                          If Sony ever gets a chance to produce a football game that uses all it can on a Blu-Ray disc, that would be the day next-gen actually becomes next-gen for football gamers.

                          Until then will be dealing w/ half arsed games just so they can sell more of the same b/s over multiple platforms.
                          Not buying that arguement ; they are other quality sports games that are produced on the 360 platform. I don't think it's about greediness anymore, I think it's about lack of competence. You don't need to have a game put on a blue ray disc to have meaningful ratings.

                          Case and point , the dev team stated that they stretched out the ratings. Well, the ratings except for speed have been meaningless for years, how is stretching something out that is cosmetic going to solve anything. If anything they need to simply the ratings and give them more weight. The ratings may not matter because they are so many of them. For instance, why do we need a 2 pass blocking ratings ? There's one for footwork and I'm not sure what the other one is for. There should only be a need for one which would be pass blocking.

                          Why do corners have ratings for route running ? It doesn't apply to their position at all. They shouldn't even have a RTE running rating and if you put them on offense have them try run a curl and throw it to them, the ball should hit them in the back of the head.

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                          • dfos81
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                            • Jun 2009
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                            #223
                            Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                            Originally posted by Dmacho
                            Not buying that arguement ; they are other quality sports games that are produced on the 360 platform. I don't think it's about greediness anymore, I think it's about lack of competence. You don't need to have a game put on a blue ray disc to have meaningful ratings.

                            Case and point , the dev team stated that they stretched out the ratings. Well, the ratings except for speed have been meaningless for years, how is stretching something out that is cosmetic going to solve anything. If anything they need to simply the ratings and give them more weight. The ratings may not matter because they are so many of them. For instance, why do we need a 2 pass blocking ratings ? There's one for footwork and I'm not sure what the other one is for. There should only be a need for one which would be pass blocking.

                            Why do corners have ratings for route running ? It doesn't apply to their position at all. They shouldn't even have a RTE running rating and if you put them on offense have them try run a curl and throw it to them, the ball should hit them in the back of the head.
                            So then your saying its the developers lack of competence. I thinks its a lil of both. I also belive that there are developers that have all the competence to produce a great football game but............

                            They want to sell Madden on multiple platforms, they have all the nfl licenses, keeping exclusive football games from being produced to its fullest potential by Sony, Visual concepts, or whoever.
                            I'd like to know how much space is left on a Blu-Ray disc w/ Madden 10 on it?
                            I bet they don't even use 25% of a blu-ray disc to put Madden on it, but we are paying triple the amount of what they are actually using on a Blu-Ray.
                            Last edited by dfos81; 10-20-2009, 03:53 PM.

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                            • dfos81
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                              • Jun 2009
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                              #224
                              Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                              Originally posted by swiftychampleone
                              You just hit the nail on the head! Another reason why the game is held back. I didn't want to go there because we all know what a Madden developed on Blu-Ray would do! It would be a crime if that happen, lol! I still think that the DVD format could give us that quality gameplay and presentation that we want so bad.

                              Again, I wonder(been doing alot of that today lol) how much space is left on Blu-Ray disc w/ Madden 10 on it?
                              Dvd may be able to hold a good game on it but it doesn't have the stay power of Blu-Ray.
                              I actually think the 360/dvds may be holding back the evolution of next gen gaming all together, again just mho.

                              If they can't fix pancakes, simple football animations, etc. Whats holding them back competence, dvd, greediness, 360 what?
                              Last edited by dfos81; 10-20-2009, 03:57 PM.

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                              • swiftychampleone
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                                • Dec 2008
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                                #225
                                Re: Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

                                Originally posted by dfos81
                                Again, I wonder(been doing alot of that today lol) how much space is left on Blu-Ray disc w/ Madden 10 on it?
                                Dvd may be able to hold a good game on it but it doesn't have the stay power of Blu-Ray.
                                I actually think the 360/dvds may be holding back the evolution of next gen gaming all together, again just mho.

                                If they can't fix pancakes, simple football animations, etc. Whats holding them back competence, dvd, greediness, 360 what?
                                I hate to start the console wars here, but I think the 360 is holding us back. We all know that Blu-Ray holds over 5X more space than a standard DVD. Multi-platform games are made for 360 and ported over to PS3. If it was the other way, Xbox 360 would need a second disc and that would cost Microsoft money, big time. If Sony was winning this console war, this wouldn't be a problem but Sony was so STUPID for their high price system in the beginning that no one really wanted to develop for it for fear of poor game sales. No offense, but it's time for developers to tell MS to get a blu-ray component for their system because it's not enough space to move forward.
                                Whatever you do, don't give constructive criticism or say anything negative about Madden video games! It seems to be the equivalent of a felony...

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