Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[econoodle]

I thought this would be a fun thread idea.
Lets see.

I'll throw out a person who could possibly enter the hall one day, then someone answers, throw in 2 cents or so, then we throw out another. Theres quite a few out there, it should be a fun thing to return to during the offseason.

I'll start it off with.....

Jorge Posada.

Heres a link to his career/postseason numbers.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...osadjo01.shtml

My take: No. I think hes a Yankee classic for sure, but even with the world series wins and a solid career, he'd have to play another 4 years or so and win another WS to even be considered. The numbers just aren't there.

I know this wasn't was stroke your chin player choice to kick off the thread, but the more interesting thought is we the yankees retire his number?.

Yankee catcher legends?
Bill Dickey, Yogi, Butch Wynegar?? Is he up there with them or is he a product of the team he played on and stayed with?

[yankeesgiants]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Monument Park: Yes
Cooperstown: No

[Mr. Franchise]

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Damn. I thought he would have more hits than that. Oh well.

[SPTO]

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If he's the #1 catcher for two more years and puts up respectable numbers that puts him close to 2000 hits and completes that milestone at DH then yes he'll get in the HOF eventually probably around the last year of eligibility. He will get in not necessarily for his hitting but for his defense and working with pitchers.

He'll have a plaque in Monument Park for sure though.

[DrJones]

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If he's the #1 catcher for two more years and puts up respectable numbers that puts him close to 2000 hits and completes that milestone at DH then yes he'll get in the HOF eventually probably around the last year of eligibility. He will get in not necessarily for his hitting but for his defense and working with pitchers.

He'll have a plaque in Monument Park for sure though.

Posada has never been particularly renowned for his defence or game-calling. If he gets in, it'll absolutely be for his hitting (and his association with the Yankees of this era). I'm pretty sure he'll make the HOF somewhere down the road. BTW, are we talking about WILL he or SHOULD he in this thread?

[SPTO]

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Posada has never been particularly renowned for his defence or game-calling. If he gets in, it'll absolutely be for his hitting (and his association with the Yankees of this era). I'm pretty sure he'll make the HOF somewhere down the road. BTW, are we talking about WILL he or SHOULD he in this thread?

Well in the last few years i've heard many baseball people give Posada props for his handling of the pitching staff. It may just be hot air but I put it out there in any case.

I agree with you that if he DOES get in it'll mainly because of his status as a Yankees legend.

[econoodle]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Posada has never been particularly renowned for his defence or game-calling. If he gets in, it'll absolutely be for his hitting (and his association with the Yankees of this era). I'm pretty sure he'll make the HOF somewhere down the road. BTW, are we talking about WILL he or SHOULD he in this thread?

good point on the will he, should he.

I say, will he?
only if he contiunes solidly for the next 3-4 years.
Should he? then, yes.

[Tomahawk]

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Yankee catcher legends?
Bill Dickey, Yogi, Butch Wynegar?? Is he up there with them or is he a product of the team he played on and stayed with?

Butch Wynegar??? WTH??? Butch Wynegar over Thurman Munson and Elston Howard???

[jetercanoturn2]

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Butch Wynegar??? WTH??? Butch Wynegar over Thurman Munson and Elston Howard???

Lol good question. I've never even heard of Wynegar. However I do believe when it's said and done Posada earns his trip to the Hall. Good catcher all around, great hitting catcher, more rings then a jewelry store. Of course it will take a few more good years, But eventually he will get in. Make room for Hip Hip Jorge behind the other greats: Dickey, Berra, Munson, Howard, and now Posada. notice: no mention of Wynegar.

[55]

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We went through this two years ago:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ada-hofer.html

[econoodle]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Butch Wynegar??? WTH??? Butch Wynegar over Thurman Munson and Elston Howard???

The Wynegar addition was a joke, obviously i thought lol.

Ok since Georgie was discussed a few years back, lets throw another name out there to discuss.

anyone?

[RandyMoss84]

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Barry Bonds??

.298 AVG / 762 HRs / 1,996 RBIs/ 2,935 H / 514 SB

14× All-Star selection (1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007)
8× Gold Glove Award winner (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998)
12× Silver Slugger Award winner (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2004)
7× NL MVP (1990, 1992, 1993, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
3x NL Hank Aaron Award winner (2001, 2002, 2004)

Holds the MLB record for
* 762 career home runs
* 73 home runs in a season
* 2,558 career walks
* 688 career intentional walks
* Home runs in a single season (73), 2001
* Home runs against different pitchers (449)
* Home runs since turning 40 years old (74)
* Home runs in the year he turned 43 years old (28)
* Consecutive seasons with 30 or more home runs (13), 1992-2004
* Slugging percentage in a single season (.863), 2001
* Slugging percentage in a World Series (1.294), 2002
* Consecutive seasons with .600 slugging percentage or higher (8), 1998-2005
* On-base percentage in a single season (.609), 2004
* Walks in a single season (232), 2004
* Intentional walks in a single season (120), 2004
* Consecutive games with a walk (18)
* MVP awards (7—closest competitors trail with 3), 1990, 1992-93, 2001-04
* Consecutive MVP awards (4), 2001-04
* National League Player of the Month selections (13—the next highest in either league is 8 by Frank Thomas, and the next highest in the N.L. is 6 by George Foster, Pete Rose and Dale Murphy)
* Oldest player (age 38) to win the National League batting title (.370) for the first time, 2002



My take: Yes, the numbers speak for themself and unless he somehow fails a drug test and has been proven on roids and that everyone else during that time was proved clean then he deserves a spot no doubt

[Tomahawk]

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The Wynegar addition was a joke, obviously i thought lol.

Ok since Georgie was discussed a few years back, lets throw another name out there to discuss.

anyone?

I wouldn't worry about it if it was discussed. Two years of play can make a difference for many players.

I figured you were joking with Butch Wynegar ....I was just messing around, too.

[Ewing]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Ted Williams. Babe Ruth. Stan Musial. Rogers Hornsby. Lou Gehrig.

Arguably the five greatest baseball players of all-time. What is the one stat they all have in common?

.300/.400/.500, 2,000 hits, 300 home runs, 500 doubles, 1,000 walks.

You know who else holds those same numbers?



Nearly every retired player with a .300/.400/.500 line is in the Hall Of Fame. The only two not in are Shoeless Joe Jackson and Edgar Martinez. Joe is not in for obvious reasons and Edgar is just about to enter his first year of eligibility.

If Edgar doesn't make the Hall, it'll be the biggest screw-up in BBWAA history and that's saying something.

[econoodle]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Ted Williams. Babe Ruth. Stan Musial. Rogers Hornsby. Lou Gehrig.

Arguably the five greatest baseball players of all-time. What is the one stat they all have in common?

.300/.400/.500, 2,000 hits, 300 home runs, 500 doubles, 1,000 walks.

You know who else holds those same numbers?



Nearly every retired player with a .300/.400/.500 line is in the Hall Of Fame. The only two not in are Shoeless Joe Jackson and Edgar Martinez. Joe is not in for obvious reasons and Edgar is just about to enter his first year of eligibility.

If Edgar doesn't make the Hall, it'll be the biggest screw-up in BBWAA history and that's saying something.

To the previous poster in regards to Barry Bonds.
No

As far as Edgar Martinez. He quietly marched through his career putting up non stop solid numbers.

Killed the Yanks.

He's in.