NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

[DevilsEve666]

Re: Thoughts on NHL 10?

Will there be another patch? i've only played nhl 09 and nhl 10 so i'm wondering how many patches will we get before they call it quits?

[matt8204]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

The problems is if they do all that they will lose a lot of casual fans of the game. People like being able to play like A.O. even with a 3rd liner. So I don't think they will go that route. I just think it is something you have to get used too.

That's the balance that developers need to strike. Fun vs. hardcore realism. The reality is that there are more casual fans than hardcore fans and they need to take that into consideration when making the game.

[Qb]

Re: Thoughts on NHL 10?

Not to derail things, but I'm pretty confident there is an Impressions Thread: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...thread-60.html

Edit: And of course, after I post this, they unsticky the impressions thread.

Yeah, I unstuck the original impressions thread and I didn't do it to mess with you... honest. I thought it was unnecessary to have a post-patch impressions and the original one up at the same time.

I'm going to merge this thread in with the stickied one, as they serve the same purpose.

[Vikes1]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

That's the balance that developers need to strike. Fun vs. hardcore realism. The reality is that there are more casual fans than hardcore fans and they need to take that into consideration when making the game.

Very true Matt.

And I imagine thats a pretty tough balance to find. Thats why imo, effective sliders are so important. Granted, sliders can only do so much. If for instance the gameplay is truly poorly programmed, sliders won't fix busted gameplay. In my experience anyway. But if the gameplay is at least decent, and a reasonable balance is achieved between Causal/Sim....you'd hope that sliders could effectively push the gameplay, one way or the other.


After watching a number of games on tv this year...I'm kind of surprised at how much "Dump and chase" is really used. I suppose it has a lot to do with line changes, as well as strategy. I know nothings ever this easy, but it'd be great if you could just raise the aggression slider to 6, and wallah, no more skating in free and easy. Then lower the goalie sliders to compensate for the fewer truly great scoring chances you'd be seeing. It'd be great if it was that simple.

I really enjoy NHL '10'. It's my favorite sports game. And overall, I think EA Canada has done a decent job of balancing Casual/Sim. By way of making the gameplay pretty freewheeling...then making the goalies tough to score on, to keep the scoring from getting out of control. Maybe not the best solution, but the game sure is fun to play. But again...I do wish the sliders were powerful enough to truly change the game, to more of what we see in real life.

[Jeffrey99]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

As to the poster about NHL 10 thoughts:

I'd give it about a 7 out of 10. I just don't think it's that good of a game. I myself would pick post patch 09 over 10 anyday. Post patch 09 was a awesome game and for some reason 10 went the complete opposite way. I thought post patch 09 was a much better game, the only thing I think is better about 10 is the BAP goalie controls.

EA took out a ton of penaties. No longer is interference called right. No more checking from behind, no more real interference calls. The penalites are back to 08&07 stage. 90% are tripping with a few slashing and hooking calls thrown in. Very seldom your see something different, like a elbow or high sticking.

The after whistle stuff is completley unrealistic and dumb. You don't fight in the NHL after a whistle, you fight during the play. Now them adding the ability to fight as soon as the puck drops would be realistic. THe board play is unrealistic but seems to be alittle better post patch. Atleast now it appears the CPU can't board play you from behind while your on a breakway along the boards.

Not to mention the new EASHL goofy equipment has killed me wanting to play that league. Nothing more realistic then to see 5 people on a NHL team with 5 different collored helmets & gloves.

To me the game is good if you take it what it is, a decent goalie BAP game, where your AI teammates play nothing near realistic hockey. But to try and sell it's self as a sim product, I think it falls short. Course, competition isn't any better. If they'd add the new goalie controls to 09, I myself would take it over 10.

[plaidchuck]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

As to the poster about NHL 10 thoughts:

I'd give it about a 7 out of 10. I just don't think it's that good of a game. I myself would pick post patch 09 over 10 anyday. Post patch 09 was a awesome game and for some reason 10 went the complete opposite way. I thought post patch 09 was a much better game, the only thing I think is better about 10 is the BAP goalie controls.

EA took out a ton of penaties. No longer is interference called right. No more checking from behind, no more real interference calls. The penalites are back to 08&07 stage. 90% are tripping with a few slashing and hooking calls thrown in. Very seldom your see something different, like a elbow or high sticking.

Come on man, whens the last time you saw checking from behind called in a game? And besides it wasn't right before since it always should come with a major and a game misconduct...

[DJ]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

I'm noticing a lot more 2-0, 3-0, 2-1 type of games post-patch. Pre-patch, I was scoring goals at a good clip. Now, I've been shutout in 4 of my last 6 games I'm not doing anything different, just shots aren't going in.

I don't know if AI Learning has anything to do with that or not. I'm thinking I may lower that a tad and see if that makes a difference.

[Jeffrey99]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

Come on man, whens the last time you saw checking from behind called in a game? And besides it wasn't right before since it always should come with a major and a game misconduct...

That's because NHL players are smart enough not to do it. Your normal EASHL player, not so much. Even if they take out checking from behind, interference isn't called right. Boarding is never called. According the NHL EA's watching, tripping is the penalty called 99% of the time, which isn't realistic.

[plaidchuck]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

That's because NHL players are smart enough not to do it. Your normal EASHL player, not so much. Even if they take out checking from behind, interference isn't called right. Boarding is never called. According the NHL EA's watching, tripping is the penalty called 99% of the time, which isn't realistic.

I will say for one thing there are waay too many offensive zone penalties (i.e. player turns over puck in the offensive zone and then slashes/hooks)

Of course, aggression/penalty sliders and discipline ratings no doubt affect this as well..

[Smitty730]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

Pronger gets called for checking from behind at least one time every other game for me.

[Vikes1]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

Pronger gets called for checking from behind at least one time every other game for me.

I've gotten called for it too. Once in each of my last two games.

I've also, a number of games ago, got called for boarding as well. Man...I'm turning into a cheap shot artist.

[Vikes1]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

I'm noticing a lot more 2-0, 3-0, 2-1 type of games post-patch. Pre-patch, I was scoring goals at a good clip. Now, I've been shutout in 4 of my last 6 games I'm not doing anything different, just shots aren't going in.

I don't know if AI Learning has anything to do with that or not. I'm thinking I may lower that a tad and see if that makes a difference.

I think you may be right about the AI learning DJ.

I too had gotten off to a fairly decent start the first few games. I was at least scoring a few goals. And then...the door seemingly got slammed shut.

Myself...I'm not really too sure on just how the AI learning works. My suspicion is, that it has more to do with what kind of goals the cpu goalies will allow over time. Rather than the AI learning really affecting the other positions. Again...just my guess.

I have experimented with adjusting the slider. However, I can't say with any certainty that it upped my scoring. It seemed to...but then the door got slammed shut again! Of course I really stink at scoring to begin with. So my views are pretty shaky.

[DJ]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

I think you may be right about the AI learning DJ.

I too had gotten off to a fairly decent start the first few games. I was at least scoring a few goals. And then...the door seemingly got slammed shut.

Myself...I'm not really too sure on just how the AI learning works. My suspicion is, that it has more to do with what kind of goals the cpu goalies will allow over time. Rather than the AI learning really affecting the other positions. Again...just my guess.

I have experimented with adjusting the slider. However, I can't say with any certainty that it upped my scoring. It seemed to...but then the door got slammed shut again! Of course I really stink at scoring to begin with. So my views are pretty shaky.

Yeah, I'm not a proficient goal-scorer, either, so I may just be flat-out struggling. But, it does seem that recently the goalies have been "super-human" and stopping everything I'm throwing at them.

I'm going to lower AI Learning for a few games and report back any changes.

[casbruce]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

I had scoring issues post-patch as well, but I think I've fixed it by switching back to tuner version 1.1. Before the patch on this tuner version I had a real nice variety in games (some blowouts, some nail-biters, some low-scoring, some high-scoring, etc.). After I downloaded the patch I scored 4 goals in a 5 game stretch. Then I realized in my sliders I had it set on "Latest Tuner Version". I switched back to version 1.1 and I seem to have the variety back through the first few games after the switch. I think tuner versions after 1.1 have really killed the goal scoring.

Anyway, it's helped me and anyone having scoring issues post-patch may want to try it. Just change the tuner version back to the earlier one.

[DJ]

Re: NHL 10 Patch Available, Post Impressions Here

I had scoring issues post-patch as well, but I think I've fixed it by switching back to tuner version 1.1. Before the patch on this tuner version I had a real nice variety in games (some blowouts, some nail-biters, some low-scoring, some high-scoring, etc.). After I downloaded the patch I scored 4 goals in a 5 game stretch. Then I realized in my sliders I had it set on "Latest Tuner Version". I switched back to version 1.1 and I seem to have the variety back through the first few games after the switch. I think tuner versions after 1.1 have really killed the goal scoring.

Anyway, it's helped me and anyone having scoring issues post-patch may want to try it. Just change the tuner version back to the earlier one.

Interesting. I'll give that a try.