Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

[GatorBait06NC]

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This is not my first post on the matter. I urge everyone once again to be patient. Hell, the dev. team should come on here and tell everyone to be patient. Maybe many of you would listen then, only to likely curse their arrival a day later when the patience runs up.

I see where your post is coming from, BUT...

The game came out in August. Let me repeat. August. Bottom line is that these patches should only include add ons such as visual upgrade, correct bugs and glitches, and alternate unis and stuff like that.

Gameplay should have been left alone regardless of how good or bad it was. Because when they alter gameplay it makes the diehard gamers want to start over with the better gameplay additions.

Releasing patch after patch to improve gameplay is atrocious. The game comes out in August and we have to wait until Thanksgiving for the gameplay to be as good as it should have been on release day.

No pity for EA. If they worried about gameplay to begin with instead of bogus gimmick features, then titles like NCAA Football wouldnt have went straight into the trash this year.

[bigjake62505]

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I see where your post is coming from, BUT...

The game came out in August. Let me repeat. August. Bottom line is that these patches should only include add ons such as visual upgrade, correct bugs and glitches, and alternate unis and stuff like that.

Gameplay should have been left alone regardless of how good or bad it was. Because when they alter gameplay it makes the diehard gamers want to start over with the better gameplay additions.

Releasing patch after patch to improve gameplay is atrocious. The game comes out in August and we have to wait until Thanksgiving for the gameplay to be as good as it should have been on release day.

No pity for EA. If they worried about gameplay to begin with instead of bogus gimmick features, then titles like NCAA Football wouldnt have went straight into the trash this year.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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I see where your post is coming from, BUT...

The game came out in August. Let me repeat. August. Bottom line is that these patches should only include add ons such as visual upgrade, correct bugs and glitches, and alternate unis and stuff like that.

I disagree. If gameplay can be upgraded with a patch and the company is willing to put the time and effort into upgrading it I don't see why the improvement should be withheld from the buying public. It's obvious you would rather have nothing than something for some reason.

Gameplay should have been left alone regardless of how good or bad it was. Because when they alter gameplay it makes the diehard gamers want to start over with the better gameplay additions.

You're basically saying that gameplay shouldn't be addressed by a patch because diehard gamers are an obsessive-compulsive group. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't but refusing to improve the product because of some group's neurosis is it's own insanity.

Releasing patch after patch to improve gameplay is atrocious. The game comes out in August and we have to wait until Thanksgiving for the gameplay to be as good as it should have been on release day.

As has been said many, many times on the many forums of this website: sports games really require a development cycle longer than one year. Unfortunately, that isn't how the sports game industry works and I don't foresee a change on the horizon. A lot of bugged out console games of the past could have been fixed by patches but the ability wasn't there and now we have this incredible technology that allows for problems to be corrected on the consoles and you don't want to use it. What you want is what I want, games that ship in perfect working order, but it's not necessarily realistic and if you're going to forgo repairs after shipment because you're angry the video game world isn't the utopia you envision I think you've lost sight of reality.

[roadman]

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I see where your post is coming from, BUT...

The game came out in August. Let me repeat. August. Bottom line is that these patches should only include add ons such as visual upgrade, correct bugs and glitches, and alternate unis and stuff like that.

Gameplay should have been left alone regardless of how good or bad it was. Because when they alter gameplay it makes the diehard gamers want to start over with the better gameplay additions.

Releasing patch after patch to improve gameplay is atrocious. The game comes out in August and we have to wait until Thanksgiving for the gameplay to be as good as it should have been on release day.

No pity for EA. If they worried about gameplay to begin with instead of bogus gimmick features, then titles like NCAA Football wouldnt have went straight into the trash this year.

I see what your saying, but I've waited a long time for other sports games patches, like 2k baseball and 2k basketball last year.

I paid full price minus some trade in. I'm entitled to fix certain areas of gameplay that is not providing me with a realistic experience.

I would rather have a good working patch that fixed a lot of the elements of the game instead of a patch that was rushed and broke other elements of the game.

You are fighting an uphill battle with sports games that are released on a yearly basis. There isn't a sports game I don't own that hasn't had two patches or two title updates.

There is no pity for EA, but there isn't pity for any other gaming company out there, either.

[kpkpkp]

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I see what your saying, but I've waited a long time for other sports games patches, like 2k baseball ...

Man, If you're a 360 owner with no PS 3. Decent baseball games havent existed since 2005.

MLB 2K6,7,8,9 ect have been a bugged up frustrating disapointment every year.

I refuse to buy 'em anymore. Now; they truly are horrible to their community over at 2Kforums. They hardly produce decent and timely patches, and devs almost never post anything.

Off topic I know. My B.

Rant over.

I'm just so dissapointed as a baseball lover, to have no choice but to play a bugged and in-complete version of a baseball game. Whoever is on the dev team the last few years for baseball over at 2K should be fired if they still have their job.

Ok, rant over for real.

Cuz even though it is frustrating to wait this long for the second Madden patch, I know that at least I'm playing a decent product here, which should improve. And the fact that everyone here wants to patch so bad is a testament to the fact that Madden10 is a decent game.

If this game just plain stunk, no would care about patching or rosterupdates. It would already be forgotten.

[RGiles36]

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And the fact that everyone here wants to patch so bad is a testament to the fact that Madden10 is a decent game.

If this game just plain stunk, no would care about patching or rosterupdates. It would already be forgotten.

These are interesting points and I mentioned something similar a few days ago. A 'patch' is not going to fully repair this game if you down-right hate it. But the way people moan and whine about it...

[Steeler99]

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I see where your post is coming from, BUT...

The game came out in August. Let me repeat. August. Bottom line is that these patches should only include add ons such as visual upgrade, correct bugs and glitches, and alternate unis and stuff like that.

Gameplay should have been left alone regardless of how good or bad it was. Because when they alter gameplay it makes the diehard gamers want to start over with the better gameplay additions.

Releasing patch after patch to improve gameplay is atrocious. The game comes out in August and we have to wait until Thanksgiving for the gameplay to be as good as it should have been on release day.

No pity for EA. If they worried about gameplay to begin with instead of bogus gimmick features, then titles like NCAA Football wouldnt have went straight into the trash this year.

I agree 100% .... until gameplay is as good as it can get, do NOT waste development time on non-essential items like overly repetitive halftime shows, etc.

It's a football game! Presentation is nice (icing on the cake), but gameplay should ALWAYS be the #1 priority, and more importantly, we should not have to wait until Thanksgiving week for that to happen!!!

[kpkpkp]

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These are interesting points and I mentioned something similar a few days ago. A 'patch' is not going to fully repair this game if you down-right hate it. But the way people moan and whine about it...

Yeah but also you gotta realize on-line forums like this offer anonymity. So that makes posters whine more, and be more brazen with their complaining. On line forums seem to make people "tough guys" and "know it alls."

"Don't these morons know how to produce a game."

or

"Ian is such a wimp, why wont he MAN up and post on this forum."

... please what a load of poop. Most posters here are teenage gamers who wouldnt know jack about producing, developing, and licensing games. And certainly wouldnt be so tough in person.

Case in point, in my dorm room daze, some friends and I would play lots of on-line poker. This one guy (who no one could really stand) would always type messages when playing on-line about how much better he was than other people at the poker table. And how everyone else sucked at poker, and he was so much more knowledgeable.

Anyway, we go to a casino one time to play live poker and this kid started lecturing this old guy when he thought the old man made a bad bet. This guys tells our dorm buddy if he doesnt can it he's going to punch him right in the teeth. All of a sudden Mr. know-it-all was quiet as a mouse.

[adam45h]

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EA bought out the right to exclusively make NFL video games when the competition really started to catch up to them, rather than simply try to improve their own product. They brought this upon themselves. With that said, I love this game as is, a few patched improvements would be nice too. I feel I've gotten my moneys worth even.

But Madden has been around for quite a while to still have gaping holes in gameplay. Simple as that, they need to get better at their jobs. The patching system wasn't designed to allow companies to release games earlier than they perhaps should, so f--- EA and 2K for turning it into that. A patch should be a rarity, not expected before a game is even released.

[Steeler99]

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I think EA could eliminate 90% of the whining relating to patches if they could find a way to implement them in a way that franchises don't have to be restarted.

Once a patch is within a few weeks of release the game becomes completely unplayable to me as a franchise player, because I know I will just have to restart anyway? I like my franchises to continue on over at least five seasons, so If patches could take effect on existing franchises I would be spending much more time playing Madden, and much less time posting here ...

[roadman]

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EA bought out the right to exclusively make NFL video games when the competition really started to catch up to them, rather than simply try to improve their own product. They brought this upon themselves. With that said, I love this game as is, a few patched improvements would be nice too. I feel I've gotten my moneys worth even.

But Madden has been around for quite a while to still have gaping holes in gameplay. Simple as that, they need to get better at their jobs. The patching system wasn't designed to allow companies to release games earlier than they perhaps should, so f--- EA and 2K for turning it into that. A patch should be a rarity, not expected before a game is even released.

I agree with most of what you said, but it takes two to make a deal. The NFL offered the deal to everyone, so, the NFL is just as much at fault.

[johnkorean]

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It's truly astounding how many people honestly believe that the purpose of a business is to make consumers happy, rather than to make as much profit as they possibly can. Businesses make their consumers happy only to the extent that it will maximize profit.

If we lack the willpower to avoid buying games at midnight releases when we have absolutely no idea what the quality will be like, then that's on us, the consumers. The quickest way to force businesses into making consumers happy is to STOP GIVING THEM MONEY WHEN WE'RE UNHAPPY.

I hate analogies, but let's go with this one. Say your puppy takes a dump on the carpet. If you subsequently give your dog a treat, the puppy has no reason to think that taking a dump on the carpet is a bad idea. If, however, you want the puppy to stop taking a dump on your carpet, you should probably a. only give it treats when it takes a dump in the yard; b. whack it on the nose when it takes a dump on the carpet; or c. both.

According to many of you (personally, I love the game), Madden is a dump on the carpet. The sensible response, then, would be to whack EA on the nose. Where the analogy fails, however, is that unlike the single owner of a puppy, we as individuals don't exercise any control whatsoever over EA, and one person abstaining from buying the game won't make a difference in the world. The only real option is to start a grassroots effort to effect a massive boycott of the game.

However, this effort is reaching resistance because ultimately, the consumer base at large is composed of many different opinions and beliefs about what Madden's ultimate purpose is. Some think Madden should be a perfect simulation of the NFL; some think that there are certain features that are essential to be playable; some people think it should just be a fun way to satisfy a football fix; some think it should offer fun online interaction; some think it should offer a world where you can take your favorite team to the Super Bowl year after year, going 570-0 in franchise mode.

In sum, unfortunately, if you hate the game, it's probably not going to get to where you want it to be anytime soon, unless you can organize a massive boycott. But you can make a personal decision not to support EA, and you can make a personal decision not to spend $60 on a game that you feel doesn't meet your expectations and standards. Madden may be the only NFL game in town, but that's not the same as saying you have to play it. In the end, it's just a game. Play it or don't; buy it or don't. At least that's one decision you do have control over.

[adam45h]

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Yeah, you're absolutely right. But I can give the NFL a pass on that one, I'd much rather them worry about running the league we all love so much! Strangely enough, I just read an article on Deadspin.com that said that EA is being sued for this very reason.

http://deadspin.com/5402687/makers-of-madden-face-lawsuit-for-eliminating-the-competition

I really didn't mean to come off as angry as I did in that post earlier, but what Steeler99 just said is I think exactly what's bugging all of us. Knowing that our games are about to improve makes what we currently have seem a lot worse.

[roadman]

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Yeah, you're absolutely right. But I can give the NFL a pass on that one, I'd much rather them worry about running the league we all love so much! Strangely enough, I just read an article on Deadspin.com that said that EA is being sued for this very reason.

http://deadspin.com/5402687/makers-of-madden-face-lawsuit-for-eliminating-the-competition

I really didn't mean to come off as angry as I did in that post earlier, but what Steeler99 just said is I think exactly what's bugging all of us. Knowing that our games are about to improve makes what we currently have seem a lot worse.

Why give anyone a pass, though? That's just like sweeping everything under the carpet and pretending the NFL doesn't exist. The NFL has deals with Nike exclusively and other companies. And yet they get a free pass, while we yell at EA and Nike. Doesn't make sense to me.

And your point about Steelers point is that all sports games I own have at least two patches and a few of those I've had to wait a long time to improve. Quite frankly, one of those games didn't improve one ounce from the game out of the box. So, EA is not the lone ranger in patches in one year cycled games taking awhile to come out. I'm just as anxious to start my franchise as everyone else, but I can wait for the patch.

And the trial you linked has been posted in the forums before. It's good to keep up, though, as to where it's at in the process.

[adam45h]

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Absolutely, I read an article last night on pastapadre.com about MLB 2K8 and was shocked at what went on! The treatment of the people in the forums and the apparent lack of communication within the company was honestly rather sad. I also vaguely recall one of these companies never releasing a sports game because it simply was too messed up but I couldn't ever figure out which game it was, so I'm thinking maybe I just imagined this storyline?

But as I said earlier, I love this game, after some more slider tweaking here and there I've got it where it's the best it can be for me. I could've paid $100 for this game and I'd still be 100% satisfied (don't tell EA!). I just think Madden is better off as a November purchase for me from now on, because I am indeed an anxious person when it comes to stuff like waiting for patches. Patches and DLC are a double-edged sword to me, and that kills me because I thought they would be perfect for sports games. Turns out the developers used them to release games too early and suck more money out of us.

I also think for some reason I had convinced myself that today was patch day, with the servers doing weird things yesterday, I was just sure today was the day. That's my fault though.