Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

[dfos81]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

Its right in the NFL rule book that DB's are allow to maintain legal contact with players down field.

Nobody's arguing legal contact, its the illegal contact that pisses us off. The NFL also allows teams to run Bunch sets, which could cause natural rub plays(ie. Colts).
I've seen the db's not get rubbed when they are playing their natural spots, instead of the global BnR.
It forces the D to open up their Pb(not abusing BnR every play), so that is the chess match I'm speaking of.

Just because EA's animation of this looks terrible and clearly the jerking of players back and forth would be PI

Exactly, Just b/c EA's animation of a natural rub looks terrible doesn't mean it isn't fair play.
They are both animation flaws. This isn't a thread for animation flaws though

If playing Bunch to beat BnR is cheese to you, then so is the Wildcat.

BTW most sim leagues(ie. 40nick) won't let you Global BnR every play, they consider it cheese as well or let you use Bunch sets every play.
So this really isn't a worry for them. They just don't want to see guys doing it over and over.

If your going to BnR every play, I'm going to counter it. Simple as that
Whats cool is this isn't even an argument when playing the Cpu, b/c they wouldn't BnR enough for me to know. They would adapt and stop it in another way.
Good tip by Askmadden(albeit oldie but a goodie).

[Optimus P 1976]

first of all madden sucks u can do that with any receiver and back just do cross route thats easy man everyone knows the game is gay and stupid ratings mean nothing in madden but all u madden fans dont see that yall just see madden period not a game that is non simulation just a bummy game period where is 2k ohh i forgot E A lock up the license because they was scared of the truth

[MAHAM]

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For those of you who spoke that it didnt work every time, I suggest you try it again. Unless for some reason you choose a team running a zone coverage, this will happen, regardless of the speed or jam rating of the DB.

The only way to not have it happen, as I stated before, is to change the route of the 2nd WR. The only reason this is constantly effective is the 2nd WR lines up on the line of scrimmage while the 1st and 3rd do not, thats part of a bunch formation. This makes the DB run toward the line to cover his man, this happens at the same time the 2nd WR is running his sideline route and they blindly run into each other.

Its got nothing to do with a "chess match" or setting a legal pick, its about a glitch in the game that upon exploiting gets you 10-15 yards everything. In all honesty, the fact that people come in here and try to validate this stuff as real football strategy, makes me understand why so many people cant play online anymore.

Edit after watching 3 or 4 videos I saw alot of user manipulated defense to get plays drawn out the way they wanted. Including leaving slot WR's completely uncovered and manually controlling a safety to draw man coverage to show how "realistic" the game is. I also saw alot of rocket catching, which was talked about as if it was a favorable tactic. Atleast one other time I saw a pick set up out of the bunch formation.

I said it doesn't work all the time, and it doesn't. Try playing at game speed instead of practice mode. I can get any play to work almost constantly in practice.

I don't understand what you don't get. Half the reason you use the bunch 3wr to get a natural pick is because the two recievers are lined off the line while the middle reciever in the bunch is on the line. Its not smart to jam when you see that set. The middle reciever is easily jammed, but not the recievers off the line. If the middle reciever is jammed, it takes the lane from the defender covering the inside reciever going to the flats. The inside reciever runs under the other player being jammed at the line easily because he's off the LOS. It works because it should. It's not rocket science.

[dfos81]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

I said it doesn't work all the time, and it doesn't. Try playing at game speed instead of practice mode. I can get any play to work almost constantly in practice.

I don't understand what you don't get. Half the reason you use the bunch 3wr to get a natural pick is because the two recievers are lined off the line while the middle reciever in the bunch is on the line. Its not smart to jam when you see that set. The middle reciever is easily jammed, but not the recievers off the line. If the middle reciever is jammed, it takes the lane from the defender covering the inside reciever going to the flats. The inside reciever runs under the other player being jammed at the line easily because he's off the LOS. It works because it should. It's not rocket science.

Thankyou, he makes an excuse for bumping WR's all the way down the field( he says its an animation issue, but its in the nfl rule book to allow this), but complains about a natural rub/pick off the los(which is another animation).

So that point is nullified. They are both animations, we are talking about strategy and Madden tips.

Bottom line, if he keeps calling BnR globally, I'm going to call bunch plays. This is CHESS not CHECKERS my friends!

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

I don't understand what you don't get. Half the reason you use the bunch 3wr to get a natural pick is because the two recievers are lined off the line while the middle reciever in the bunch is on the line. Its not smart to jam when you see that set. The middle reciever is easily jammed, but not the recievers off the line. If the middle reciever is jammed, it takes the lane from the defender covering the inside reciever going to the flats. The inside reciever runs under the other player being jammed at the line easily because he's off the LOS. It works because it should. It's not rocket science.

Clearly I "get it", after all you just rewrote what I had already posted and added "I dont understand what you dont get" infront of it. Setting a pick has got nothing to do with routing your players to cause a DB to run directly into another player at the snap of the ball.

Woodson isnt even close enough to jam Jackson, the pick is set only by the hot routing. I just told you, from my own experimenting this works with speed DB's just as well. The only times it wont work is if you change the routes to prevent the overlapping.

Im not sure what playing in game or in practice changes. In theroy players should recat the same in either mode.

[dfos81]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

Im not sure what playing in game or in practice changes. In theroy players should recat the same in either mode.

The A.I. doesn't adapt in practice mode, like they do in games(specifically franchise games).

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

Thankyou, he makes an excuse for bumping WR's all the way down the field(animation issue), but complains about a natural rub/pick off the los(another animation issue). So that point is nullified.

Bottom line, if he keeps calling BnR globally, I'm going to call bunch plays. This is CHESS not CHECKERS my friends!

Im not making any excuse for the animation issue, but thats anything but a "natrual" rub or pick. Its also not an animation issue, its a tracking issue.

You shouldnt be justifying anything tit for tat with game issues. Since the bad jam animations ruin your deep routes that makes it fair play to hot route your guys to make them run into DB's?

Yea, that sounds like a real good straigty and "chess matched" way to play.

[dfos81]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

Im not making any excuse for the animation issue, but thats anything but a "natrual" rub or pick. Its also not an animation issue, its a tracking issue.

Animation issue, tracking issue. You keep saying its in the rule book that the dbs can keep contact w/ the WR's all the way down the field, sounds like defending the animation issue to me.

Its right in the NFL rule book that DB's are allow to maintain legal contact with players down field.

We all know the game has issues.

I'm still going to use bunch plays, when I see the D playing the global BnR every play.

If you don't like Bunch, then don't use the global BnR every play.
Now when I force you to use a different startegy b/c yours isn't working anymore, that is when the chess match begins!
BTW Checkmate!

[Valdarez]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

Bottom line, if he keeps calling BnR globally, I'm going to call bunch plays. This is CHESS not CHECKERS my friends!

Figuring out how to stop bugs/glitches sounds more like go fish to me.

Chess would imply using real offensive plays to break a given defense, and using real defensive plays to stop a given offensive call.

[RyanMoody21]

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You guys keep playing like that, convince yourself its fair strategy and reflects your knowledge or understanding of football.

Ultimately, its sad that in 2010 we are even having a 7 page argument that boils down to poor animations being looped and poor tracking that causes players to blindly run right into each other.

Certainly not what should be expected from the worlds largest motion capture facility, or a game that claims it has adaptive AI.

[Speedy]

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Ultimately, its sad that in 2010 we are even having a 7 page argument that boils down to poor animations being looped and poor tracking that causes players to blindly run right into each other.

Certainly not what should be expected from the worlds largest motion capture facility, or a game that claims it has adaptive AI.

I am so tired of posts like these. Do you have anything good to say about this game? As soon as I see your name I know it's something critical and negative with an arrogant and pompous view.

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

I am so tired of posts like these. Do you have anything good to say about this game? As soon as I see your name I know it's something critical and negative with an arrogant and pompous view.

Wow. Tell me how you really feel, because I could care less. If you dont like what I have to say then you can add me to your ignore list or just not read it.

Hope your insulting of me, out of no where, has inflated your internet ego.

[Speedy]

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Wow. Tell me how you really feel, because I could care less. If you dont like what I have to say then you can add me to your ignore list or just not read it.

Hope your insulting of me, out of no where, has inflated your internet ego.

...and you have made my point.

[Mr. Franchise]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

Wow. Tell me how you really feel, because I could care less. If you dont like what I have to say then you can add me to your ignore list or just not read it.

Hope your insulting of me, out of no where, has inflated your internet ego.

If it makes you feel any better, I LOVE what you have to say.

[av7]

Re: Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

Knock it off, now.