Transfer Market Advice ...

Qb · 11-23-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by SpHSpH

Should I only pursue one ST ... or can I pursue three guys, have all three guys say "yes", and then only select one of them to be on my team?

I can't answer a lot of your questions as I've only begun to play MM. But they did add the option to have a final say on offers you make after it is accepted. I have an offer in cyber-limbo for Falcao right now awaiting the resumption of my MM, but I'm counting on selling one of my strikers for it to happen. I'm in the last week of August (with Borussia Dortmund), so we'll see if I can sneak them in before the window "slams shut" (thank you Sky Sports)...

And FWIW, I've gone for two players -- Angel di Maria and Eden Hazard -- and signed both successfully, although di Maria was in my first aborted attempt started before the recent squad update. I didn't raise my negotiator (I think he's a five by default) and of course my manager rating is 1/2 star since I just started. All I did was raise their salary and add a 5% goal bonus until interest wouldn't go any higher (about 80%) and offer about 500K to 750K more than the suggested transfer fee (both around 5M... I'm not one to fool around with haggling).

I realize this might not be possible with very small teams, but for those who said it's "impossible" to sign anyone, I'm not seeing it with a 4-star German team and terrible manager prestige...

**therizing02** · 11-23-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Qb

And FWIW, I've gone for two players -- Angel di Maria

Nice! I just signed him to Roma. Probably overpaid even though my negotiator is an 8. Signed him to a 5 year deal.

The other one I was trying for was an 20yo CB rated 75-80? named Giuseppe Bellusci(?) with Catania. I tried in the summer and the winter window and he just played me against other clubs. Ended up in Germany.

When a player says that he doesn't think he can make the starting 11 do you offer goal bonuses? Has it worked?

**SpHSpH** · 11-23-2009, 04:53 PM

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I have no chance at any of these guys until I get their interest > 75%?

Does a better negotiator help with the interest issue?

Does increasing the transfer fee improve the interest? Or just wages/bonus?

Interest = f (manager stars, team prestige, negotiator, wages, bonus ) ?

I am trying to keep my wages in (relative) check ... I try to keep the new signings to around "the current team average + standard deviation".

I like to look for "diamonds in the rough" guys ... sometimes there are a few guys with lower than expected salary expectations. I feel like they are from "stinky" leagues and are willing to play for less $$$. They are my "finds". I might be able to do the "big wage increase" thing with these guys and still stay "on budget".

**SpHSpH** · 11-23-2009, 05:04 PM

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Is there any effect of going after a small number of players vs. going after a large number of players? I just got started, and I am sort of cleaning out many of my lesser guys.

Is it too much to get rid of 8-10 players in the first transfer window (and hope to replace them with 6-8 new guys)? That does sound a bit too ambitious. Hmmm...

My roster has 2GK / 7DEF / 12MID / 10ATT ...

I would prefer less ATT and more DEF. I play a 4-4-2.

I usually target 2GK / 10DEF / 11MID / 7ATT ...

**Salhus** · 11-23-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by SpHSpH

Is there any effect of going after a small number of players vs. going after a large number of players? I just got started, and I am sort of cleaning out many of my lesser guys.

Is it too much to get rid of 8-10 players in the first transfer window (and hope to replace them with 6-8 new guys)? That does sound a bit too ambitious. Hmmm...

My roster has 2GK / 7DEF / 12MID / 10ATT ...

I would prefer less ATT and more DEF. I play a 4-4-2.

I usually target 2GK / 10DEF / 11MID / 7ATT ...

The board actually won't let you get rid of a ton of guys. They say something about not wanting to break up the "core" of the team.

**Salhus** · 11-23-2009, 06:53 PM

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I want to take a 2nd tier team in the EPL (City, Aston Villa or Spurs) and get them to join the "Big 4."

My ultimate goal would to follow Liverpool formula and get a great English MF (guy like J. Cole) and bring in an elite foreign striker (David Villa would be perfect.)

I've tried with Aston Villa and there is just no way I could get David Villa. Even after I unload Young, Carew and Agbonlahor his weekly earnings is outrageous.

Any suggestions? Try a different team? Or, am I just too deep into fantasy land?

Qb · 11-23-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by therizing02

Nice! I just signed him to Roma. Probably overpaid even though my negotiator is an 8. Signed him to a 5 year deal...

When a player says that he doesn't think he can make the starting 11 do you offer goal bonuses? Has it worked?

The funny thing about me going after di Maria, I have to confess I never really heard of him before I searched the player database for a young left-sided mid/winger. Liked what I saw, signed him, and lo & behold, a few days later there are a bunch of stories linking him with big money moves. Weird...

Can't say with the second, as I've made two offers and both were accepted on the first attempt... I guess I'm very persuasive.. I only used the goal bonus to save a little on my weekly wage budget, although I didn't actually crunch the numbers, nor do I know how bonuses affect the budget. For example, if a guy with a 10K wage & 5% per goal bonus scores a brace (1K) and my wage budget was right at the limit, what happens? MM freeze? -$2B glitch? Does my 360 explode? Hired goons at the door?

**SpHSpH** · 11-23-2009, 09:18 PM

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What "interest" did you have for the player who agreed to join you?

What level of interest should I be looking for?

What level is too low ... the "no way to get that guy" level?

Can I just solve all problems with more $$$?

**SpHSpH** · 11-24-2009, 09:01 AM

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OK ... I did some work last night ... here is what I discovered ...

You can increase the player interest by offering more wages or upping the bonuses - I think we all knew that already. So I kept increasing the player wage until I got the interest to 85%. It is possible to offer even more money - but the interest does not go higher than 85% - so I will call this the "$ for 85%".

I then compared "$ for 85%" to what the player was originally asking for in wages. It was ALWAYS 1.4 times more. Example ...

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Player X wants $1700 for wages.
If you offer Player X (1.4 x $1700 = $2380) he will have 85% interest.
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I basically decide what I am willing to spend (in wages) on a player, divide this number by the multiplier, and then only seriously consider available players whose wage demands are below my new value (my target = "willing to spend" / "multiplier").

I was wondering ...

Does the "multiplier" (in this case the multiplier is 1.4) change with other factors?
- manager prestige (I just started - I am a 1/2 star in this experiment)
- negotiator level (my negotiator is at [5])
- the level of targeted players (all of my targets were 60-70 OVR)
- the time in the transfer window (I did this at week 2 of 8 in the first window)
- the league that my team plays in (I am Swansea in the Championship)

I feel like, as I progress, it should be easier to sign transfers, and perhaps this is reflected in a reduction in the "multiplier". If you can get the multiplier to 1.0 ... then players will have ~85% interest in your team right at the start.

I did this experiment while holding the bonus to 0% and without making any changes to the transfer fee. It is TRUE that, if you offer a bonus of 5% / 10% / 15%, you can reduce the wage that gives 85% interest. But I was just studying one aspect at a time.

I made offers for 5 players following this procedure (I upped the wages by 1.4 and had their interest level at 85%) - and all 5 of them signed with me instantly.

I am not sure if the interest MUST be at 85% - it was just that 85% was the highest I could get it to. Has anyone been able to sign a player with a lower level of interest?

I was pretty pleased with this result ... any other ideas to consider?

**roxnsox** · 11-24-2009, 10:11 AM

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Great post, SpHSpH. Thanks for the information.

I've only signed 3 players, but I've always been about 75%, and none of them rejected.

I'm using Charlton Athletic - Negotiator 5 and around the same skill level 65-72. A 1/2 star manager week 1 and 2 of the initial transfer window.

**Salhus** · 11-25-2009, 01:49 AM

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Great research, SpH. Maybe you could look into loans. In the first year of MM, unless the player is listed for loan, no teams loan out players

**SlimKibbles** · 11-28-2009, 02:13 AM

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In my first year or two with Perth in the Australian league, my manager sucked (of course), and the team was 1-star. I couldn't sign anyone, although I didn't crank up the wage offer enough to 85%. I built my team by cranking up the negotiator and scout levels while also scouting for talent. Now, in year 2, I think I started signing free agents and I got a couple of guys that weren't listed. That multiplier you (SpH) came up with seems about right from what I figured out mentally. It always seemed about 150% wage increase is what it took to get to 85% interest.

I will say though, when I reached year 7 where my team was about 4-star and my manager was maybe 3.5-star, I couldn't get any players to transfer to my team. Cranking up the wage offer increased the interest but it always stopped between 79% and 81% interest. I would always get rejected. I could make the wage offer 5x what it was and I'd still get rejected. This was with a level 10 negotiator too. The negotiations screen never mentioned why I was rejected either. No concerns about playing time or playing against better competition, etc. All I could do to get new players was through scouting. Once I reached 5-star manager with the team, which took about 10 years, it's possible I might be able to sign players again, but I don't know. I haven't tried yet and I just reached level 5. I've been saving up to get my stadium up to level 10. I'd switch to another team and try to sign players but there's that whole budget glitch deal that EA doesn't plan to fix.

**StormJH1** · 12-02-2009, 01:57 PM

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Yeah, my problem sounded similar to SlimKibbles. I've played two Manager Modes: Tottenham (got fired) & Wolverhampton (my current one). With Tottenham, I was able to sign listed transfers and even buy away MLS guys that weren't listed.

But with Wolverhampton, even recognizing that I'd have to grossly overpay to sign someone to a team possibly getting relegated, I couldn't sign ANYONE. However, the reason always given to me was "________ thinks you are trying to hog all the talent." or "Your roster is full". So I sold about 3 or 4 players hoping to "clear space", but I still got this response week after week. I had the interest up to 80-82% and was offering millions over the market value for transfer fee and wages, but no go.

I don't get it.

**StormJH1** · 12-02-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Salhus

Great research, SpH. Maybe you could look into loans. In the first year of MM, unless the player is listed for loan, no teams loan out players

That was my other problem. There were a few players listed for loan, but they wouldn't sign either, no matter how much I paid them in wages.

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