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  • bigsean981
    Rookie
    • Oct 2009
    • 10

    #1

    2k fans please read this

    Northern California court allows Madden, NCAA, Arena Football anticompete class-action suit to proceed; hearing scheduled for January 14.

    Electronic Arts' Madden NFL and NCAA Football franchises dominate the competition in their respective fields, mostly because the perennial bestsellers don't have any competitors to speak of. Soon, however, that may change, as a Northern California judge has ruled against EA's motion to dismiss a class-action suit that takes exception with the publisher's exclusivity licenses with the National Football League, the Arena Football League, and NCAA Football.
    This situation could be resolved with a well-placed hug.

    The suit, which was initially filed in June 2008 by a pair of gamers from Washington, DC, and California, alleges that EA has and continues to engage in "blatantly anticompetitive conduct" since 2004. At that time, EA and Take-Two Interactive released competing NFL Football products, resulting in a pricing war that saw Take-Two drop the price of its NFL 2K5 to $19.99 and EA cut Madden 2005's sticker tag to $29.95 in response.
    However, the suit alleges that rather than continue the pricing war with Take-Two, EA secured the aforementioned exclusivity deals. With no Take-Two competitor the following year, the suit noted that Electronic Arts raised the price of Madden 2006 back to $49.95, an increase of nearly 70 percent. Madden NFL's current going rate retails for as much as $59.95.
    As per the most recent ruling, which was first spotted by GamePolitics, a judge said that the plaintiffs' suit will be allowed to proceed, though he narrowed the applicable class to residents of the original filers' home regions of Washington, DC, and California.
    "As the court understands these allegations, interactive football software will not sell if it does not use the names, logos and other markers of teams that actually compete in the NFL," the judge said in his ruling. "There is, in effect, no market for interactive football software in a virtual or fictitious setting. If true--as the court must at this point accept--this adequately alleges that there are no substitutes for interactive football software without the markers of actual teams and players."
    Though the judge's decision is significant for the class, it is by no means an indication of the final outcome of the case. "The present complaint alleges that the names and logos of actual teams and players are essential to market interactive football software," the judge noted. "Whether plaintiffs will be able to back this allegation up with evidence is a matter left for another day."
    That plaintiffs' motion for class certification is currently scheduled for September 24, with the full hearing expected to commence January 14, 2010.
  • dickey1331
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    • Sep 2009
    • 14285

    #2
    Re: 2k fans please read this

    this isnt going to change anything the NFL has the right to give its license to whoever it wants.
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    • mike24forever
      Old Guy
      • Sep 2003
      • 3171

      #3
      Re: 2k fans please read this

      Pipe Dream. NFL can sell their licence to whom ever they want. No one, including EA is preventing anyone from making a football video game.
      I am the lesson after the fall.

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      • sb24
        MVP
        • Dec 2008
        • 3165

        #4
        Re: 2k fans please read this

        Been there read that (or very similar ones) these come up more than u think. use the search feature to find those threads

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        • reddawg60
          Banned
          • Mar 2009
          • 201

          #5
          Re: 2k fans please read this

          Originally posted by ms24forever
          Pipe Dream. NFL can sell their licence to whom ever they want. No one, including EA is preventing anyone from making a football video game.
          thats not the point of the suit.


          alleges that EA has and continues to engage in "blatantly anticompetitive conduct" since 2004

          However, the suit alleges that rather than continue the pricing war with Take-Two, EA secured the aforementioned exclusivity deals.

          with anticompetitive being the key word there.

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          • Bellsprout
            Hard Times.
            • Oct 2009
            • 25652

            #6
            Re: 2k fans please read this

            The NFL has the right to sell it's license to the highest bidder.

            Same for the NCAA.

            Same for the Arena league.

            EA is doing nothing illegal and nothing will change. Buying licenses isn't "anticompetitive behavior", it's good business.
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            A lot of you guys seem pretty cool, but you have wieners.

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            • mike24forever
              Old Guy
              • Sep 2003
              • 3171

              #7
              Re: 2k fans please read this

              Originally posted by reddawg60
              thats not the point of the suit.


              alleges that EA has and continues to engage in "blatantly anticompetitive conduct" since 2004

              However, the suit alleges that rather than continue the pricing war with Take-Two, EA secured the aforementioned exclusivity deals.

              with anticompetitive being the key word there.
              I understand the point of the law suit. It still won't go anywhere. Sorry to say, it's just a 2K fans pipe dream. I miss the old days, however EA is making football and other companies are choosing not to. Well...maybe Backbreaker.
              I am the lesson after the fall.

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              • capn_razzamataz
                Rookie
                • Sep 2005
                • 402

                #8
                Re: 2k fans please read this

                Originally posted by dickey1331
                this isnt going to change anything the NFL has the right to give its license to whoever it wants.
                Originally posted by ms24forever
                Pipe Dream. NFL can sell their licence to whom ever they want. No one, including EA is preventing anyone from making a football video game.
                Originally posted by WeAreAllWitnesses
                The NFL has the right to sell it's license to the highest bidder.

                Same for the NCAA.

                Same for the Arena league.

                EA is doing nothing illegal and nothing will change. Buying licenses isn't "anticompetitive behavior", it's good business.
                This isn't about any entity's rights to sell their licenses. It's about EA buying up ALL of the major licenses in football. You're all absolutely right in that the NCAA, AFL, and NFL can sell to whoever they want to, but that's not what this lawsuit is about. The fact that EA actively/blatantly went after the NCAA football and AFL licenses right after the NFL offered them exclusivity (presumably to corner the whole licensed football videogame market, not just the NFL videogame market) is what is going to be challenged.
                Last edited by capn_razzamataz; 11-23-2009, 11:05 PM. Reason: Clarification

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                • Bellsprout
                  Hard Times.
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 25652

                  #9
                  Re: 2k fans please read this

                  Originally posted by capn_razzamataz
                  This isn't about any entity's rights to sell their licenses. It's about EA buying up ALL of the major licenses in football. You're all absolutely right in that the NCAA, AFL, and NFL can sell to whoever they want to, but that's not what this lawsuit is about. The fact that EA actively pursued the NCAA football and AFL licenses right after the NFL offered them exclusivity (presumably to corner the football videogame market) is what is going to be challenged.

                  This is posted in almost EVERY thread concerning the EA-NFL deal yet NOBODY ever seems to see or understand it. It's not that complicated.
                  But they don't have the football market cornered. 2k is free to release a football game whenever they want. Just not a NFL, NCAA, or AFL football game. 2k could buy the rights to the UFL, or the Women's Professional Football League, but they don't.

                  Just because EA bought the most profitable licenses doesn't mean anything's stopping 2k from releasing a football game.
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                  Originally posted by l3ulvl
                  A lot of you guys seem pretty cool, but you have wieners.

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                  • capn_razzamataz
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 402

                    #10
                    Re: 2k fans please read this

                    Originally posted by WeAreAllWitnesses
                    But they don't have the football market cornered. 2k is free to release a football game whenever they want. Just not a NFL, NCAA, or AFL football game. 2k could buy the rights to the UFL, or the Women's Professional Football League, but they don't.

                    Just because EA bought the most profitable licenses doesn't mean anything's stopping 2k from releasing a football game.
                    That's correct. But the lawsuit is arguing that EA owning all of these licenses gives them them an unfair advantage and thus creating an "anticompetitive" environment.

                    Not saying that's what I believe, that's just what the complainants are arguing.

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                    • Valdarez
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 5075

                      #11
                      Re: 2k fans please read this

                      Originally posted by dickey1331
                      this isnt going to change anything the NFL has the right to give its license to whoever it wants.
                      True, but they are a recognized monopoly, and due to the uniqueness of their situation they are not allowed to create other monopolies. It all depends on how narrow the judge draws the line for the monopoly definition.
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                      • Bellsprout
                        Hard Times.
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 25652

                        #12
                        Re: 2k fans please read this

                        Originally posted by Valdarez
                        True, but they are a recognized monopoly, and due to the uniqueness of their situation they are not allowed to create other monopolies. It all depends on how narrow the judge draws the line for the monopoly definition.
                        I'm not totally clear on laws, but i'm pretty sure you can't monopolize a genre of video games. You can monopolize video games in general, but you can't monopolize a genre.

                        And besides, how are they monopolizing the football genre when any other company can release a football game if they want?
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                        Originally posted by l3ulvl
                        A lot of you guys seem pretty cool, but you have wieners.

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                        • bigsean981
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 10

                          #13
                          Re: 2k fans please read this

                          will just have to see what happens in January 10 2010

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                          • CQI
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 146

                            #14
                            Re: 2k fans please read this

                            2K should take a cue from Blitz and create an in depth fictitious league. I want to know the history of what came before what I'm playing (especially if I can't readily look it up). And with the customization 2K allows (better logos might help), I enjoy creating original stuff (except for XFL teams) rather than NFL knock offs. People always say that gameplay is most important (but I guess they prefer licenses over it).

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                            • Valdarez
                              All Star
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 5075

                              #15
                              Re: 2k fans please read this

                              Originally posted by WeAreAllWitnesses
                              I'm not totally clear on laws, but i'm pretty sure you can't monopolize a genre of video games. You can monopolize video games in general, but you can't monopolize a genre.

                              And besides, how are they monopolizing the football genre when any other company can release a football game if they want?
                              Just 'because' you can release a football game doesn't keep it from being a monopoly. The share of the market dictates that, and the NFL license ensures a monopoly of the football market.
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