Backbreaker Fact Sheet and Screenshots

[TheKasmar]

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This franchise thing sounds serious and important. Alot of feelings hurt over a game no one has played yet. Lets see how the game is overall before franchise tears are shed.

The GTA peds have sort of a limpness to there body that I hope isn't present in Barebacker. Euphoria may not be as sound as we imagine it to be.

Abbott needs to work on his quarterback form

[CreatineKasey]

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I'm glad this game isn't franchise oriented. Yeah it'll have offseason functions and multiple years, but there's a clear reason why they called it "multi-season". I hope they worry more about a working league function with customization up the wazoo for online along with annual tournaments and such.

There's a ton of games for you franchisers out there. Why not play the new front page football or whatever it is? There's tons of text sims and other things out there. You guys often don't value gameplay as much, and in that case why not go play a text sim and call it a day?

Fortunately this debate means nothing for franchisers. You guys have your games out there already, and not hopefully Backbreaker gives competitive gamers another great outlet for some head to head football!

Have to represent the competitive bunch. Don't want people to think OS is run by a bunch of franchisers

[Pacman83]

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"There's a ton of games for you franchisers out there. Why not play the new front page football or whatever it is? There's tons of text sims and other things out there. You guys often don't value gameplay as much, and in that case why not go play a text sim and call it a day?"



Well i could say "For all you that dont value franchise as much..Gameplayers, i guess...why dont you go play APF" see how that comes off? I mean i must have missed the poster than wanted them to F' the gameplay and work on franchise. I've see guys say they wont buy if there's no franchise, which i dont agree with (SUPPORT THIS GAME--ITS FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!!! ), but i understand it...it'll be just like APF...just on the field...then whats the reason to buy it for those who dont have $60 extra and can play great playing APF for less than $10? To change more uni colors?



BTW i get too competitive, thats why i dont play online, i hate losing, especially sports games. Just cause i play offline 90% doesnt mean i'm not competitive...or am i reading this wrong?

[bkfount]

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Football games should be about playing another person in the chess match that is play calling. Building a team to beat teams the cpu has build isnt really much fun or difficult for me. Those should be saved for text based sims or head coach.

there's also this thing called online franchises, but I guess EA haters missed out on those.

But again, people like what they like. This game was hyped up to amazing levels by the devout backbreaker cult members, but it's looking to be a niche title with bare bones functionality. 2k already tried making a football game all about gameplay, and I even bought it. Not only was it dropped in price a few months after release, but I got bored as hell with it.

In a perfect world, games appeal to different types of people. If this game doesn't, that's their loss. I'm still interested in how this game does though, for the overall health of the sports game genre. I just wonder how many chances they get at this franchise.

[CreatineKasey]

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APF is my favorite football game of all time. I never played one offline season in any football game since I was like 12. I like competing against people. If I didn't play against people I wouldn't play at all. That's where I'm coming from.

I just don't get kicks out of managing teams. I do think there's enough of those games out there to keep franchisers happy. There's not a lot of choices in terms of gameplay for football games. If a lot of people still played APF I'd be on it right now... but they don't.

To me it's in some ways like trying to mix RPG elements into a FPS... and the RPG guys are clamoring for more of those elements. The problem is, the FPS end is what most of the game is about and the RPG is just a little something added on to it.

[Hassan Darkside]

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APF is my favorite football game of all time. I never played one offline season in any football game since I was like 12. I like competing against people. If I didn't play against people I wouldn't play at all. That's where I'm coming from.

I just don't get kicks out of managing teams. I do think there's enough of those games out there to keep franchisers happy. There's not a lot of choices in terms of gameplay for football games. If a lot of people still played APF I'd be on it right now... but they don't.

To me it's in some ways like trying to mix RPG elements into a FPS... and the RPG guys are clamoring for more of those elements. The problem is, the FPS end is what most of the game is about and the RPG is just a little something added on to it.

First of all, I'd say NBA 2k10 probably has the best functioning franchise mode out of all games right now. For being 5 years deep in sports games, franchise modes are in general a disappointment. I could care less about the sims like front page and whatnot. I like to play and I like to manage. I don't like one more than the other, I prefer them equal, hand-in-hand. APF plays great, but lacks in franchise and I got bored with it. Madden is passable in both gameplay and franchise, but that's about it. NCAA Football's gameplay is inferior to its franchise, so I find myself turning away from that all together.

To me, the notion of "progress" is what caters to me the most. You made a good comparison with a FPS/RPG type game. Rainbow Six Vegas was one of my favorite FPS's (if not my favorite) because of the RPG element. You had your own customized character, you unlocked all types of different camo and accessories and could customize your guy with anything from head to toe.

With sports games, I like it to be like that, just with my team. Playing exhibition/quick games feels empty and meaningless to me. It just doesn't feel like there's an overall goal I'm working toward, whether it be the Superbowl or pro-bowl or rebuilding my team into a contender.

Even if this game plays great, it might find the shelf soon just because I feel like my games are meaningless. I don't particularly like playing people either.

[CreatineKasey]

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Even if this game plays great, it might find the shelf soon just because I feel like my games are meaningless. I don't particularly like playing people either.

This is the big spot where I differ with many. I only play people so the perspective is a complete 180 from what I read. Games don't have meaning to me against a CPU. I find no joy in beating AI that in my opinion is meant to lose. They don't create video games that are so hard that the CPU always wins (anymore...donkey kong anyone?).

Games mean more to me when I play in leagues and tournaments. That's where I get my "kicks".

[gbeazy]

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This is the big spot where I differ with many. I only play people so the perspective is a complete 180 from what I read. Games don't have meaning to me against a CPU. I find no joy in beating AI that in my opinion is meant to lose. They don't create video games that are so hard that the CPU always wins (anymore...donkey kong anyone?).

Games mean more to me when I play in leagues and tournaments. That's where I get my "kicks".

I think you are so much in the minority that if a game developed a game with purely your interest it would fail drastically. Look no futher than APF for ex. On-line only games are doomed before they hit the shelves.
One they have to be a sports fan-american football fan-but not NFL fan-have a console-a console connected to internet-then enjoy only playing people that belong to a community like OS, random games are unplayable bottomline. I could go deeper but the point is your type is rare.
If APF (and this is not hindsight) had a franchise I would have bought it day one. It has nothing to do with Ads/marketing etc, if they can't get the people at OS to buy it(as polls suggest) who is gonna buy it. Seeing BB fact sheet reminded me of APF's when I saw it
I think if you get you end up getting your "kicks" not many others will. Which probably means one and done (APF)

[Phobia]

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I think you are so much in the minority that if a game developed a game with purely your interest it would fail drastically. Look no futher than APF for ex. On-line only games are doomed before they hit the shelves.
One they have to be a sports fan-american football fan-but not NFL fan-have a console-a console connected to internet-then enjoy only playing people that belong to a community like OS, random games are unplayable bottomline. I could go deeper but the point is your type is rare.
If APF (and this is not hindsight) had a franchise I would have bought it day one. It has nothing to do with Ads/marketing etc, if they can't get the people at OS to buy it(as polls suggest) who is gonna buy it. Seeing BB fact sheet reminded me of APF's when I saw it
I think if you get you end up getting your "kicks" not many others will. Which probably means one and done (APF)

I am sorry but if APF did not exist I would be miserable. APF is bottom line the best football game "chess match" on any system. The ONLY reason APF did not do well is because of lack of NFL license. Not because of the design decision.

Plus by backbreaker being like APF just gives me hope that it will be one of the best online football titles. I have my fingers crossed it is like APF, just with purely dynamic on the fly tackles. I would be in heaven.

[gbeazy]

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I am sorry but if APF did not exist I would be miserable. APF is bottom line the best football game "chess match" on any system. The ONLY reason APF did not do well is because of lack of NFL license. Not because of the design decision.

Plus by backbreaker being like APF just gives me hope that it will be one of the best online football titles. I have my fingers crossed it is like APF, just with purely dynamic on the fly tackles. I would be in heaven.

That's such a selfish short term outlook. Who are you gonna play against? in two years when they don't make another game and they stop supporting online (APF). I would rather play the cpu than the same est. 10-15 OSers. It's not like you don't recognize their tendencies just like you would AI.
"Chess match" would be pick the play and set controller down. Turn based. Stick skills/AI weigh too much for video game football to be comp to chess. Especially when it takes months to subjectively define money plays, cheese, sim players. What part of chess is that.
Lack of NFL was a factor but no franchise killed it in my book and others(see polls).
Hopefully this game looks at APF and goes the other way. Why not learn from their mistakes and see the Big picture.

[CreatineKasey]

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That's such a selfish short term outlook. Who are you gonna play against? in two years when they don't make another game and they stop supporting online (APF). I would rather play the cpu than the same est. 10-15 OSers. It's not like you don't recognize their tendencies just like you would AI.
"Chess match" would be pick the play and set controller down. Turn based. Stick skills/AI weigh too much for video game football to be comp to chess. Especially when it takes months to subjectively define money plays, cheese, sim players. What part of chess is that.
Lack of NFL was a factor but no franchise killed it in my book and others(see polls).
Hopefully this game looks at APF and goes the other way. Why not learn from their mistakes and see the Big picture.

Why shouldn't I be selfish for what I want? Aren't I the one who is paying for this product? Wouldn't I want what I want in it? I don't think I'm in the vast minority by any means, but it's just an opinion. I will definitely push for my "selfish" wants in a game like this... just like franchisers do. We all should, we are the consumers. I see no point in sacrificing things I like to help some other potential consumer if I have the choice.

We aren't the ones who necessarily decide in the end, but I just make sure my voice is heard so people know there ARE numerous people who have this viewpoint. If a few of us didn't speak up it'd be all franchise talk in here.

I think Backbreaker will fail if it doesn't get gameplay down. If they have a multi-season mode that matches EA's, they still fail with no NFL and weaker gameplay. They need that thing to play outstanding to get anywhere and I think that's where their focus should be.

[Phobia]

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That's such a selfish short term outlook. Who are you gonna play against? in two years when they don't make another game and they stop supporting online (APF). I would rather play the cpu than the same est. 10-15 OSers. It's not like you don't recognize their tendencies just like you would AI.
"Chess match" would be pick the play and set controller down. Turn based. Stick skills/AI weigh too much for video game football to be comp to chess. Especially when it takes months to subjectively define money plays, cheese, sim players. What part of chess is that.
Lack of NFL was a factor but no franchise killed it in my book and others(see polls).
Hopefully this game looks at APF and goes the other way. Why not learn from their mistakes and see the Big picture.

What are you talking about. Many of us are still playing APF. I still play daily. Also what are you talking about it being "selfish"??? How is it selfish for me to like something one way??? Just because it is not your way you call it selfish.

I want a certain kinda of game. If it is not like the one you want then that makes me selfish. That is quite strange to me. I don't think it is selfish for some of these guys to want franchise. I might think it not the correct route to go for a first time title. But I don't remotely think it is selfish for someone to want something they like.

On to the "chess match" topic. APF is very chess match like. Plays work how they do in real life. Someone keeps running a certain play you can play call correctly as a real coach would and adjust to defend the play. This is not so much the case in madden. Then APF has the whole build a team thing. Which brings in a whole other element of chess like. You have to see what kinda of team you are facing, what kinda of team you have, and how to attack the team. Who are their star players you have to shut down or watch out for.

If I see I am facing Dan Marino, I know getting pressure on him is going to be very tough with his quick release. So I hope I have a secondary good enough to be able to cover their wideouts. Where if I am facing Warren Moon and I see they have Rocket Ismal at WR. I will make darn sure I play soft more often than not and not allow Warren Moon to use his Rocket arm ability to beat me deep.

So while you might not understand the game APF enough. It is a lot different than the fashion you are describing it.

[Phobia]

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Why shouldn't I be selfish for what I want? Aren't I the one who is paying for this product? Wouldn't I want what I want in it? I don't think I'm in the vast minority by any means, but it's just an opinion. I will definitely push for my "selfish" wants in a game like this... just like franchisers do. We all should, we are the consumers. I see no point in sacrificing things I like to help some other potential consumer if I have the choice.

We aren't the ones who necessarily decide in the end, but I just make sure my voice is heard so people know there ARE numerous people who have this viewpoint. If a few of us didn't speak up it'd be all franchise talk in here.

I think Backbreaker will fail if it doesn't get gameplay down. If they have a multi-season mode that matches EA's, they still fail with no NFL and weaker gameplay. They need that thing to play outstanding to get anywhere and I think that's where their focus should be.

Looks like we were thinking same thing here KC. Never been called selfish before for wanting a game I like. LOL new one to me.

[gbeazy]

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What are you talking about. Many of us are still playing APF. I still play daily. Also what are you talking about it being "selfish"??? How is it selfish for me to like something one way??? Just because it is not your way you call it selfish.

I want a certain kinda of game. If it is not like the one you want then that makes me selfish. That is quite strange to me. I don't think it is selfish for some of these guys to want franchise. I might think it not the correct route to go for a first time title. But I don't remotely think it is selfish for someone to want something they like.

On to the "chess match" topic. APF is very chess match like. Plays work how they do in real life. Someone keeps running a certain play you can play call correctly as a real coach would and adjust to defend the play. This is not so much the case in madden. Then APF has the whole build a team thing. Which brings in a whole other element of chess like. You have to see what kinda of team you are facing, what kinda of team you have, and how to attack the team. Who are their star players you have to shut down or watch out for.

If I see I am facing Dan Marino, I know getting pressure on him is going to be very tough with his quick release. So I hope I have a secondary good enough to be able to cover their wideouts. Where if I am facing Warren Moon and I see they have Rocket Ismal at WR. I will make darn sure I play soft more often than not and not allow Warren Moon to use his Rocket arm ability to beat me deep.

So while you might not understand the game APF enough. It is a lot different than the fashion you are describing it.

Selfish in the way that you want what you want and thats all that matters. I don't play online sports for my reasons but I can definitely see why some people do. If BB didn't have online it would fail. They Need online in the game. It is a must. I can see that because I'm not thinking short term or selfishly. You can't see the importance of Franchise because it's not what you want/like
You discredit franchise and say its only because of no NFL that APF didn't do numbers. For the greater good of BB if it is to last past one year with a handful of people playing it better not think like you(APF). We know they're not getting NFL.
I just read that APF are shutting down their league servers. Selfish is following the same path as a overall failure to get what you want.
You like Apf build a team thing and I thought it was interesting too. But I want to have them for more than one game/year. I want to play the first year and then add missing/better pieces in the offseason.

[Skyboxer]

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Selfish in the way that you want what you want and thats all that matters. I don't play online sports for my reasons but I can definitely see why some people do. If BB didn't have online it would fail. They Need online in the game. It is a must. I can see that because I'm not thinking short term or selfishly. You can't see the importance of Franchise because it's not what you want/like
You discredit franchise and say its only because of no NFL that APF didn't do numbers. For the greater good of BB if it is to last past one year with a handful of people playing it better not think like you(APF). We know they're not getting NFL.
I just read that APF are shutting down their league servers. Selfish is following the same path as a overall failure to get what you want.
You like Apf build a team thing and I thought it was interesting too. But I want to have them for more than one game/year. I want to play the first year and then add missing/better pieces in the offseason.

You make absolutely no sense. Who doesn't want a game to be "What THEY want" when THEY are throwing down the $.
I'm not going to go out and buy a game because it's made the way you want... WTF?
In that same mindframe aren't YOU being selfish then for wanting the game the way YOU want it.