Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Roundtable

[cpdfrank]

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given the resources over at EA there is no reason at all for them to still be chasing a 6 year old title created on inferior hardware

BINGO, you hit the nail on the head with that. But im sure some EA supporter will have a comeback with "then go play 2k5." And why is that the bogus stats in offline franchise were not addressed at all?

[MrOctober430]

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nothing is gonna be perfect

[LReload]

Yeah, a game that came out in 2004 in development in 2003 should no longer be compared to next year. Its funny, soon we will get the developers of Madden saying, next year were gonna do . . . except they say that every year, so last year when they said it, they meant to say in two years. The damn Madden series has been around for over two decades and still looks like robots on ice. We all know why they wanted only one pro football game to exist, so nobody could compare it to anything. I wish they would've had to actually make a great game year over year to get sales, they didn't, it shows.

[SOCOM59]

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Why do I get the impression that online dynasty mode (or just online in general with any title) has taken priority over offline AI or sim computing formulas to expand that experience?

Unless the title is developed strictly for offline (which is becoming more and more less frequent...haha oxymoron there I know), the offline mode suffers in my opinion. My take is if you will not support it efficiently (waiting for the next go around aka "Madden 11" is not efficient) then don't waste resources and public opinion in developing it.

**I do understand that 2 patches is much work and effort but what do you take out of that? The fact that you needed to patch it twice already or the new problems that have risen from the patches? Oracle databases have less problems then Madden.

[bears5122]

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The stat tracking doesn't make sense to me. I mean it had it's minor issues in the past, but I remember it being somewhat realistic. How could they get simulation right back in 2001 but are so far off almost a decade later?

I can understand issues with gameplay, graphics, etc. But simulating stats is a logic element and I don't see how it can get consistently worse from year to year.

Not just stat tracking either, almost all the AI. Late game coaching decisions and GM blunders by the CPU. I just think these are elements of the game that should be better every single year. Like when I buy a game like Sim City, Civilization, etc, the AI gets better every single version. This is one of the only games I can think of where the AI keeps getting worse (not gameplay, but logic/decision wise).

Wouldn't it make sense for them to hire some of the text-sim creators to work for them? There are some great games that simulate to near perfection. I would think their input would be extremely valuable.

[cpdfrank]

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nothing is gonna be perfect

Nothing is ever, nor ever will be perfect. Were not talking perfection, were talking about parts of this game that should have been ironed out years ago, that still plague the game, such as OL run blocking. Then when EA does correct something, another issue pops up. Then they release a patch to correct certain issues, and create other issues, such as stats in franchise sim games. I have purchased Madden every year since the very first game came out, and i know what i see year after year, just like a lot of other Madden gamers. For once on this forum, id like to see people stop making excuses for EA, and everyone collectively voice how this game is not where it should be after 20 freakin years. Is it better than what it was 10 yeras ago? Yes, but still not what it should be.

[bigjake62505]

This patch was a total waste of my time. At first I was enjoying this game but now after all the glitter looses the shine, most of the same issues that have plagued this game are still there. I hope one day EA can make a good football game but I just dont think it will happen anytime soon.

[roadman]

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I have purchased Madden every year since the very first game came out, and i know what i see year after year, just like a lot of other Madden gamers. For once on this forum, id like to see people stop making excuses for EA, and everyone collectively voice how this game is not where it should be after 20 freakin years. Is it better than what it was 10 yeras ago? Yes, but still not what it should be.

So, you went from ambulance chasing and "He'll remember that number" (earlier versions of Madden) to I need everything I see on Sunday to resemble a video game?

[earaylewis]

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Here my week 15 weekly awards

Chris Johnson

43 Attempt 343 Rushing Yards

Hey Looman are you smoked something or what

incredible not realistic at all

But its a very good game overall

[SOCOM59]

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So, you went from ambulance chasing and "He'll remember that number" (earlier versions of Madden) to I need everything I see on Sunday to resemble a video game?

I see your point towards frank there. However, once I started to shell out $60 per game and $300-400 for the system to play it, yes I would be on the side that product has to improve with the price too. That and monopolizing of the license which breeds no financial reasons for EA to have to compete against. I cannot blame them, it was a good move from a business perspective and made them alot of money. The court of public opinion will come back in other ways I am sure. At least I hope.

Authenticity in the stats is my personal concern. Thats why I said "I see your point" when it come to graphics and framerates. Thats visual, which can be deemed subjective, which can be closed as not being able to please everyone. That is why I partially agree with you.

[cpdfrank]

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So, you went from ambulance chasing and "He'll remember that number" (earlier versions of Madden) to I need everything I see on Sunday to resemble a video game?

Im not talking about expecting to see in a video game, everything that happens on the field during a real NFL game. Im talking about issues that should have been worked out by now. Mainly OL blocking, defensive players that all of a sudden turn away from the ball carrier, and the problems that are being experienced in Franchise mode. If this were the first year or two of Franchise, I would expect some problems, but Franchise is not new. If you believe that after all these years of Madden, that the video game players should still be trying to figure out how to correct key issues with the game, months after its release, thats fine. Jesus Christ, there are members on this forum spending countless hours trying to come with sliders, adjustments and everything else, just to get this game to play somewhat like football should be played. I refuse to sugar coat EA's short comings with this game. They got what they wanted, which was exclusive NFL rights, because they knew 2K Sports was kicking their butts when it came to football. Well, its time for them to step up and do what needs to be done to make this game what it should be. Look at the strides MLB The Show has made, in less than half the time that Madden has been in existence.

[roadman]

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I see your point towards frank there. However, once I started to shell out $60 per game and $300-400 for the system to play it, yes I would be on the side that product has to improve with the price too. That and monopolizing of the license which breeds no financial reasons for EA to have to compete against. I cannot blame them, it was a good move from a business perspective and made them alot of money. The court of public opinion will come back in other ways I am sure. At least I hope.

Authenticity in the stats is my personal concern. Thats why I said "I see your point" when it come to graphics and framerates. Thats visual, which can be deemed subjective, which can be closed as not being able to please everyone. That is why I partially agree with you.

I remember shelling out $50 on an inferior basketball game in the late 80's for the 1st Nintendo system. It was terrible. There was nothing I could do about it, either. No patches, no online, nothing. Back then, you took your lumps.

As far as stats go, I was a fanatic about stats up until a few years ago. I've worked 4 months on stats in the past with Madden with a group of dedicated gamers trying to get stats close to NFL avgs.

Personally, I don't have time for that anymore. It takes an hour to play the game as it is and my time has become very limited. Now, I'm lucky to get through one season and before you know it, baseball is out in early March.

This Madden might have me playing longer because of the improved game play (based on my opinion) after patch #2.

Cpfrank, as far as issues with franchise mode, I didn't expect anything of a major upgrade with franchise mode from even 09 to 10. Josh was very clear that a minor upgrade would occur during the production of 10. He told members of OS don't expect everything from HC to become integrated into Madden 10. Based on those statement, it was pretty clear to me that franchise mode was tweaked a bit for 10 with nothing receiving a major overhaul.

Hopefully, franchise mode get's some love in 11.

[Flamehead]

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Not sure what the point of the "official" patch review and this "roundtable" discussion is. Not sure what's being said that hasn't already been said in the impressions thread. Only the impressions thread is more credible because it's a lot more balanced in terms of expounding on stats which is highly glossed over or outright omitted altogether in this official "review" and "roundtable" (stats were part of the patch, were they not?). Agenda perhaps?

With all due respect, sounds like a lot of self-important blathering to me. Just my opinion.

[jyoung]

Not everyone plays the offline franchise mode, so for those people, the simmed stats issue isn't relevant. I'm guessing most of the people in this roundtable fall under that category.

In fact, I'd wager at this point, the only people who are still playing Madden seriously are those in online franchises, because that's really the only area where the fun factor manages to overcome this game's flaws IMO.

[Flamehead]

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In fact, I'd wager at this point, the only people who are still playing Madden seriously are those in online franchises, because that's really the only area where the fun fun factor manages to overcome this game's flaws IMO.

I respect your opinion, but disagree to a point. I've seen tons of posts where people were waiting to really dive into the game until stats were fixed because offline franchise is really where their interest lies. Many avoid online because of the cheese factor alone, though I assume some of that might be mitigated by being in a league of some kind where straight-up play might be encouraged.

For me personally, I've seen a few solutions proposed in the sliders section that help make the stats more tolerable, but I don't think anyone (who cared about that, anyway) imagined that additional "solutions" by the community would be needed because, after all, fixes to the stat engine were supposed to be a part of the patch. They certainly "changed" the stats, but I wouldn't say they "fixed" them, IMHO.