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SonicZulu25 · 12-30-2009, 09:11 PM

As stated before, I have had some problems and successes with my sliders. I have listed what I have noticed below.

Issues with Current Stats:

# of plays – I avg 120 plays per game.

Sacks:

1. One thing I always hear is that there are not enough sacks. I have yet to experience this. I think many do not realize that the avg number of sacks in a full game is approx 4 between two teams. I see an avg of approx 4 sacks per game. I lied here somewhat....i am getting 3.5 sacks per game which is quite off 4 sacks over time.

2. Although the number of sacks is not a problem, the positions that seem to dominate the sack numbers are. DTs seem to get too many compared to DE’s and 3-4 OLBs. CBs also seem to get more than their fair share. However, for the most part I am satisfied.

3. Even if I wanted to get more sacks, I have the sliders maxed in the areas involved in getting more sacks. I actually have the Pass Rush slider at 0 but it seemed to work better than when at 100 with these same sliders.

4. One thing I notice is that the good O-Lines seem to protect the QB better than the bad ones. This works well. Teams like TB, Det, and Cle are the worst and Ari, Ind and NE are some of the better teams. TB has given up 34 sacks and Ari has only given up 4.

Tackles:

1. The tackle stats seem to be reasonable but you have to add the solos and assists. Minor point for me but may be an issue for others.

2. The right positions and right players seem to dominate here. MLBs are dominating here as they should. There are some OLBs and Safeties in the mix near the top though.

Passing Yards

1. Currently in my chise, I have 5 QBs on pace for 5000 yards plus (In my new chise I only have 2 on pace for 5000). My goal is to have the team passing yardage per game to be 215-230. Right now, I am probably closer to 260. This is still a problem. Now I am probably around 240-245 yds/game...still a problem but not nearly as bad.

2. As stated before, I am using the coaching scheme sliders to manipulate how much the teams run and pass. For now this is working somewhat with limited success. As I do more testing, I will post what I find. The sliders here seem to work for many teams but for the passing type teams it does not seem to have much influence. Teams like HOU, IND and ARI still seem to want to pass. Although this represents reality it still skews the numbers.

Ints vs Passer Rating:

1. Ints have been a big issue in getting the proper stats. The higher the Pass Reaction Time, the higher the Ints. The only time that I seem to get a reasonable amount of Ints is when I lower the Reaction time between 30 and 35. The problem is that the passer ratings for QBs sky rockets. My goal is to have it so that the avg # of ints per game is somewhere less than 2. The team avg is 1.3 Ints per game. This is a reduction over time and think that I am probably getting about 1.1 ints per game on avg for each team. INTs were a real problem in my new chise, but once I raised the auto-sub sliders for the QBs, this seemed to drop. I was at 1.4 but am probably closer to 1.1-1.2 now.

I actually bench QBs with high INT #s. I have a formula that I use that ensures that QBs are benched so many games for poor performance over a series of games. With some micro management of the 32 teams, there are many ways to do this.

2. I have done enough manipulation with the passing and pass D sliders that I will live with the high ratings and pass yards. Now I manipulate the Ints somewhat with the Coaching Scheme sliders by lowering the Run Pass slider. The less a team throws the ball, the less picks they will have.

3. The guys getting the Ints seem to be the right guys. However there still seem to be many MLB picks. But I can live with this.

Pass Acc:

1. Completion % is a little on the high side but I can live with it. There are 4 players with % over 70 in my franchise (only 2 are over the 70% mark. The avg is around 62%). The only way that I can lower this is to raise the Pass D reac time. But this raises the Ints. I welcome any suggestions here.

Avg Yds per Pass Att

1. This is not too bad but a little on the high side as well. Only 2 are over 10 but there are quite a few averaging 9 yards per att. More than what I would want. This issue is similar to the Pass Acc. Other than increase Pass D reac time, I am not sure how to fix this.

Rushing:

1. The starting RBs look really good. After 6 seasons in a franchise, I have 16 guys that are on pace for 1000 yards with only 3 on pace for 1600. There are no issues with having 3 or 4 guys go over 2000. Actually, none seem to be headed that way. The numbers here seem really good. there are still only 16 guys on pace for 1K. Jacobs leads the league with 1008 in 9 games. Peterson is second with 800 in 8. There are only 3 guys with avgs over 5. One of which is my own user controlled back. The highest number is 5.7, and the good backs seem to be around 4.5 with the numbers tailing off from there.

2. The issue that I have is that the team rushing numbers are too low. I would like for the avg team to avg approx 110 yards per game. Right now I am at 90. I continue to try and change the coaching scheme sliders to make teams more run oriented. I need to do more testing here. This seems fixed now. Team rushing is good, the backups get a lot of carries. The original sub sliders that I posted were a fix to this problem. In a recent game I saw, ATL went into OT and won with only 2:25 remaining. Turner carried 20 times, with Norwood having 25, and Haynes having 6. The odd thing was that the next game Turner had 29 carries. Now it is not uncommon to have the starting back have 20+ carries and have the backup have 10 for the running teams. The pass happy teams hardly use the backups.

3. Another problem is that the backup RBs seem to get very few carries even with the fatigue sliders set the way they are. I still need to work on this. Again, this is no longer a problem. I do sometimes sub out RBs between games to give the backups a chance to get some serious carries (eg. Jonathan Stewart or Mendenhall)

Receiving:

1. I have few issues here but agree with some that the slot receivers can often get too much attention. However, it depends upon the team and their playbook. Eg. Wes Welker and Randy Moss are numbers 1 and 3 respectively in both receptions and receiving yards in my chise.

Fumbles:

1. I am happy with these and don’t plan on changing this number.

Field Goals:

1. Except for missing the easy FGs, the numbers here (including %) seem good. This one is wierd. It seems that as soon as I changed the threshold slider that kickers could not kick anything over 40 yds. This was not the case prior. I had to up the sliders here. This completely went away with the sliders that I have posted.

Punting:

1. The punt avg seems too low. The avg punter in my chise avgs about 35yards. This is mainly due to the large number of botched punts. Maybe I just need to raise the acc or power. Although this seems minor, it does increase the amount of points that teams can get. Fixed.

Pancakes:

1. This issue is here too. There are virtually no OL pancakes. I see no fix here. Not getting pancakes is not an issue for me (at least not yet). The top guys are still getting voted in to the pro bowl and are considered the top OL in the awards section. Guys like Mangold, Faneca, Mankins, J. Thomas, J. Long are some of these guys. There seem to be no one who i shake my head at here.

Points Scored:

1. My goal here is to have an avg of total points between the two teams to be around 45-50. It is slightly higher than this but it is close. Right now my avg is about 53 points per game. This has improved greatly. I now get 51 pts per game. Considering that my stats are combined with old and newer sliders, I suspect that my avg is now in the high 40's. This is far better since the avg teams seem to get about 22 pts/game. Still a little high though.

Penalties:

1. I have not really looked at these but they seem ok. I need to do more analysis here. I get 3.5 penalties for 35 yards per game which is a little on the low side.

Injuries:

1. For those of you that do not know, injuries are non existent in CPU vs CPU. Since I run a chise, I simulate my own injuries. As long as a player is removed from the positions that can play in a game, they wont play. For example, if you take a WR out of the top 6 WR positions, then he will not play WR or any position on special teams. Be sure to take him out of KR and PR positions too. I have yet to see a player play that I have removed.

2. I suggest determining the injuries by simming the week and using the injuries found in that week. Unfortunately, you will have to still manually take the injured players out of the lineups. Its not perfect but it seems to generate some good random injuries.

In General:

1. Star players remain the star players in the statistical categories. It is obvious that the ratings mean something for most positions. Players like Moss, Peterson, Brady, and the Mannings seem to do well. On defense there seems to be some more randomness but for the most part the good players seem to rise near the top of the stat categories.

2. The good teams seem to play well but there seems to be much more parity between the teams. After six weeks there is only one team that is undefeated but 5 others have only one loss.

3. Whatever your opinions are on the quality of the CPU vs CPU stats, they beat the crap out of the sim stats….assuming you have the patience to play them all out.

12-30-2009, 09:11 PM	#2
SonicZulu25 Rookie OVR: 5 Join Date: Jan 2009	Re: Sonic's CPU vs CPU Sliders As stated before, I have had some problems and successes with my sliders. I have listed what I have noticed below. Issues with Current Stats: # of plays – I avg 120 plays per game. Sacks: 1. One thing I always hear is that there are not enough sacks. I have yet to experience this. I think many do not realize that the avg number of sacks in a full game is approx 4 between two teams. I see an avg of approx 4 sacks per game. I lied here somewhat....i am getting 3.5 sacks per game which is quite off 4 sacks over time. 2. Although the number of sacks is not a problem, the positions that seem to dominate the sack numbers are. DTs seem to get too many compared to DE’s and 3-4 OLBs. CBs also seem to get more than their fair share. However, for the most part I am satisfied. 3. Even if I wanted to get more sacks, I have the sliders maxed in the areas involved in getting more sacks. I actually have the Pass Rush slider at 0 but it seemed to work better than when at 100 with these same sliders. 4. One thing I notice is that the good O-Lines seem to protect the QB better than the bad ones. This works well. Teams like TB, Det, and Cle are the worst and Ari, Ind and NE are some of the better teams. TB has given up 34 sacks and Ari has only given up 4. Tackles: 1. The tackle stats seem to be reasonable but you have to add the solos and assists. Minor point for me but may be an issue for others. 2. The right positions and right players seem to dominate here. MLBs are dominating here as they should. There are some OLBs and Safeties in the mix near the top though. Passing Yards 1. Currently in my chise, I have 5 QBs on pace for 5000 yards plus (In my new chise I only have 2 on pace for 5000). My goal is to have the team passing yardage per game to be 215-230. Right now, I am probably closer to 260. This is still a problem. Now I am probably around 240-245 yds/game...still a problem but not nearly as bad. 2. As stated before, I am using the coaching scheme sliders to manipulate how much the teams run and pass. For now this is working somewhat with limited success. As I do more testing, I will post what I find. The sliders here seem to work for many teams but for the passing type teams it does not seem to have much influence. Teams like HOU, IND and ARI still seem to want to pass. Although this represents reality it still skews the numbers. Ints vs Passer Rating: 1. Ints have been a big issue in getting the proper stats. The higher the Pass Reaction Time, the higher the Ints. The only time that I seem to get a reasonable amount of Ints is when I lower the Reaction time between 30 and 35. The problem is that the passer ratings for QBs sky rockets. My goal is to have it so that the avg # of ints per game is somewhere less than 2. The team avg is 1.3 Ints per game. This is a reduction over time and think that I am probably getting about 1.1 ints per game on avg for each team. INTs were a real problem in my new chise, but once I raised the auto-sub sliders for the QBs, this seemed to drop. I was at 1.4 but am probably closer to 1.1-1.2 now. I actually bench QBs with high INT #s. I have a formula that I use that ensures that QBs are benched so many games for poor performance over a series of games. With some micro management of the 32 teams, there are many ways to do this. 2. I have done enough manipulation with the passing and pass D sliders that I will live with the high ratings and pass yards. Now I manipulate the Ints somewhat with the Coaching Scheme sliders by lowering the Run Pass slider. The less a team throws the ball, the less picks they will have. 3. The guys getting the Ints seem to be the right guys. However there still seem to be many MLB picks. But I can live with this. Pass Acc: 1. Completion % is a little on the high side but I can live with it. There are 4 players with % over 70 in my franchise (only 2 are over the 70% mark. The avg is around 62%). The only way that I can lower this is to raise the Pass D reac time. But this raises the Ints. I welcome any suggestions here. Avg Yds per Pass Att 1. This is not too bad but a little on the high side as well. Only 2 are over 10 but there are quite a few averaging 9 yards per att. More than what I would want. This issue is similar to the Pass Acc. Other than increase Pass D reac time, I am not sure how to fix this. Rushing: 1. The starting RBs look really good. After 6 seasons in a franchise, I have 16 guys that are on pace for 1000 yards with only 3 on pace for 1600. There are no issues with having 3 or 4 guys go over 2000. Actually, none seem to be headed that way. The numbers here seem really good. there are still only 16 guys on pace for 1K. Jacobs leads the league with 1008 in 9 games. Peterson is second with 800 in 8. There are only 3 guys with avgs over 5. One of which is my own user controlled back. The highest number is 5.7, and the good backs seem to be around 4.5 with the numbers tailing off from there. 2. The issue that I have is that the team rushing numbers are too low. I would like for the avg team to avg approx 110 yards per game. Right now I am at 90. I continue to try and change the coaching scheme sliders to make teams more run oriented. I need to do more testing here. This seems fixed now. Team rushing is good, the backups get a lot of carries. The original sub sliders that I posted were a fix to this problem. In a recent game I saw, ATL went into OT and won with only 2:25 remaining. Turner carried 20 times, with Norwood having 25, and Haynes having 6. The odd thing was that the next game Turner had 29 carries. Now it is not uncommon to have the starting back have 20+ carries and have the backup have 10 for the running teams. The pass happy teams hardly use the backups. 3. Another problem is that the backup RBs seem to get very few carries even with the fatigue sliders set the way they are. I still need to work on this. Again, this is no longer a problem. I do sometimes sub out RBs between games to give the backups a chance to get some serious carries (eg. Jonathan Stewart or Mendenhall) Receiving: 1. I have few issues here but agree with some that the slot receivers can often get too much attention. However, it depends upon the team and their playbook. Eg. Wes Welker and Randy Moss are numbers 1 and 3 respectively in both receptions and receiving yards in my chise. Fumbles: 1. I am happy with these and don’t plan on changing this number. Field Goals: 1. Except for missing the easy FGs, the numbers here (including %) seem good. This one is wierd. It seems that as soon as I changed the threshold slider that kickers could not kick anything over 40 yds. This was not the case prior. I had to up the sliders here. This completely went away with the sliders that I have posted. Punting: 1. The punt avg seems too low. The avg punter in my chise avgs about 35yards. This is mainly due to the large number of botched punts. Maybe I just need to raise the acc or power. Although this seems minor, it does increase the amount of points that teams can get. Fixed. Pancakes: 1. This issue is here too. There are virtually no OL pancakes. I see no fix here. Not getting pancakes is not an issue for me (at least not yet). The top guys are still getting voted in to the pro bowl and are considered the top OL in the awards section. Guys like Mangold, Faneca, Mankins, J. Thomas, J. Long are some of these guys. There seem to be no one who i shake my head at here. Points Scored: 1. My goal here is to have an avg of total points between the two teams to be around 45-50. It is slightly higher than this but it is close. Right now my avg is about 53 points per game. This has improved greatly. I now get 51 pts per game. Considering that my stats are combined with old and newer sliders, I suspect that my avg is now in the high 40's. This is far better since the avg teams seem to get about 22 pts/game. Still a little high though. Penalties: 1. I have not really looked at these but they seem ok. I need to do more analysis here. I get 3.5 penalties for 35 yards per game which is a little on the low side. Injuries: 1. For those of you that do not know, injuries are non existent in CPU vs CPU. Since I run a chise, I simulate my own injuries. As long as a player is removed from the positions that can play in a game, they wont play. For example, if you take a WR out of the top 6 WR positions, then he will not play WR or any position on special teams. Be sure to take him out of KR and PR positions too. I have yet to see a player play that I have removed. 2. I suggest determining the injuries by simming the week and using the injuries found in that week. Unfortunately, you will have to still manually take the injured players out of the lineups. Its not perfect but it seems to generate some good random injuries. In General: 1. Star players remain the star players in the statistical categories. It is obvious that the ratings mean something for most positions. Players like Moss, Peterson, Brady, and the Mannings seem to do well. On defense there seems to be some more randomness but for the most part the good players seem to rise near the top of the stat categories. 2. The good teams seem to play well but there seems to be much more parity between the teams. After six weeks there is only one team that is undefeated but 5 others have only one loss. 3. Whatever your opinions are on the quality of the CPU vs CPU stats, they beat the crap out of the sim stats….assuming you have the patience to play them all out. Last edited by SonicZulu25; 02-24-2010 at 07:27 PM.