2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

[Jamin23]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

If they don't want to come on the forums and communicate with us, at least have a community day where they can get feedback from the gamers on what needs to be done better in order to make it a good game.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

If they don't want to come on the forums and communicate with us, at least have a community day where they can get feedback from the gamers on what needs to be done better in order to make it a good game.

Personally I think community days are overrated. Imo they started out more as marketing endeavors, and only later began being used for actual feedback like last year with Madden. But even then, I'm not sure it helps much for that year's game. I've seen accounts of every Madden community day and don't think I've seen anyone come away with a negative impression once - even when we all know the game was pretty bad for a while.

Nor do I think OS is the sole mecca of videogame sports knowledge. It's more like a sports radio station where you have a handful of people that may have legitimately great ideas on how to fix something, and the vast majority that think they know but don't. It's very easy for people to say they know what should be done when they don't have to deal with the consequences. If a developer truly wants to know what the community (not just OS) is thinking, all they'd have to do is pop on the sites and read up. But even then it has to be taken with a grain of salt given the over-exaggerations many use now to try to make a point. I think community feedback is important for helping detect/fix smaller issues that crop up, like issues with franchise modes, uniform/player-specific details, etc. But ultimately I think as long as the developer is competent, they should be trusted with implementing what they feel is best, be it right or wrong. And given how harsh some can be with their comments, it might not be a good idea to try to directly interact and cause more of an issue. They're obviously acknowledging the community with these community insights that will be coming up; I don't think it should be necessary that they're here telling everybody what they want to hear.

[Pared]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

The thing is we dont know anything behind close doors on what they used the guys for. I fail to see how picking major league baseball players brain for information on the mental side of the game. IMO it can only be a good thing. They had probably less then a year to build the game virtually from scratch. I know they borrowed a few things from 2K8, but i don't think it was much. If we don't see significant improvement in this years title, then i am going to be like something has got to give here.

They really dont need to interact with the community, they know what was wrong with the game, everyone played it, everyone posted about it.

Though people may see the using of MLB Players as a waste of resources that can go else where, I see it as a situation where it can only help the game. Especially if they mo-capped them & added those mo-capped animations to the game, which simballer last year said would be done this year. *keeps fingers crossed*

Thing is we really don't know other than these infomercial videos if this is the case. We also don't know how much these players were paid. (doubts it was millions) Would it have been great for them to fly some die-hards in as suggested to give input & evaluate what's been done to this point of course.

I know this company deserves a lot of flack for what they've done with this series the last couple of years (especially since going next-gen) which is unfotunate

This is a good exchange. Personally, I don't see how anyone can see this and think their feedback is so useful where they couldn't accomplish what they needed to another way and for less money.

Still, showing so many major league players backing your game is how it is done today.

Personally I think community days are overrated. Imo they started out more as marketing endeavors, and only later began being used for actual feedback like last year with Madden. But even then, I'm not sure it helps much for that year's game. I've seen accounts of every Madden community day and don't think I've seen anyone come away with a negative impression once - even when we all know the game was pretty bad for a while.

Nor do I think OS is the sole mecca of videogame sports knowledge. It's more like a sports radio station where you have a handful of people that may have legitimately great ideas on how to fix something, and the vast majority that think they know but don't. It's very easy for people to say they know what should be done when they don't have to deal with the consequences. If a developer truly wants to know what the community (not just OS) is thinking, all they'd have to do is pop on the sites and read up. But even then it has to be taken with a grain of salt given the over-exaggerations many use now to try to make a point. I think community feedback is important for helping detect/fix smaller issues that crop up, like issues with franchise modes, uniform/player-specific details, etc. But ultimately I think as long as the developer is competent, they should be trusted with implementing what they feel is best, be it right or wrong. And given how harsh some can be with their comments, it might not be a good idea to try to directly interact and cause more of an issue. They're obviously acknowledging the community with these community insights that will be coming up; I don't think it should be necessary that they're here telling everybody what they want to hear.

Community days have done more for games than you will ever know.

I will say this, however. Some companies utilize the information learned during these events more than others.

You have no idea what the community leader has done for a game. And if I were capable of telling you, you'd be floored.

2k doesn't seem to have the monetary resources for a community day, IMO. That's all it amounts to. But I can tell you if they did, and were able to implement it correctly, it would do wonders for this game.

And I tell you this from personal experience.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

Community days have done more for games than you will ever know.

I will say this, however. Some companies utilize the information learned during these events more than others.

You would know more than I would so I'll take your word that they are more useful than I would've thought. I did think it was likely cost-prohibitive for every developer to take the approach of flying in a handful of gamers to look at whatever game for a few days. But it would seem to me hands-on would be the most beneficial; I would think people would only see the most obvious issues from looking at a 5min clip of gameplay

[jnegs]

m straight wit "The Show"

[kcxiv]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

Its not like this major leagues are mediocre ones. Felix and Verlander are 2 of the best pitchers in the game or will be fairly soon. These guys are going to dominate for a while. Longoria is a stud there is no way around it. Guy can play. If they had brought in some utility players from a low level market team then i would be like wtf is going on? lol

Over at the 2K forums the put in forums last year for 2K10 about virtually every possible angle the game had and for people to post what needed to improve in what area.

We got a few more days until we see a little something so here is to hoping this years game is good. I cant wait to play with my Dodgers and we still have no starting pitching. Maybe Kershaw can go on 3 days rest the whole season like C.C lol j/k

[Jamin23]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

Its not like this major leagues are mediocre ones. Felix and Verlander are 2 of the best pitchers in the game or will be fairly soon. These guys are going to dominate for a while. Longoria is a stud there is no way around it. Guy can play. If they had brought in some utility players from a low level market team then i would be like wtf is going on? lol

Over at the 2K forums the put in forums last year for 2K10 about virtually every possible angle the game had and for people to post what needed to improve in what area.

We got a few more days until we see a little something so here is to hoping this years game is good. I cant wait to play with my Dodgers and we still have no starting pitching. Maybe Kershaw can go on 3 days rest the whole season like C.C lol j/k

and get beat by the Phillies again.

[kcxiv]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

and get beat by the Phillies again.

he will get better dude was 21 years old. He's still a kid at the pro level.

[Jamin23]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

he will get better dude was 21 years old. He's still a kid at the pro level.

I'm only messing with ya.

[DaveDQ]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

I think comparisons are only natural. What I don't get is the anger some show. I don't see people directing anger towards Live for not being as good as NBA2K - people speak of it having an upside. Same with Madden, even though it still hasn't surpassed games it should've long ago lapped. People are happy it's improving.

I don't think it's anger. I think it's an internet forum trend. 2K Sports has a philosophy of marketing that a majority of members here don't agree with. The first and obvious reaction is to compare that marketing philosophy to other developers that offer a different approach and cry foul. The second reaction, one that we see a lot of here, is a negative trend that borderlines on blind hate.

It's also a standard that they don't hold consistently among other titles. I see much nitpicking over certain stadiums being incorrect, yet we don't see this same standard applied to a game like The Show, a game that claimed last year we would see proper proportions in player models. Yet, while they are the first to release a video of this year's version, player models still look oddly proportioned. Also, SCEA failed miserably last year with online functionality, and still we don't see them being thrown under the bus as we see some posters have done in this very thread (over the fact that 2K hasn't released gameplay footage).

I want to see footage, and I do expect it by now, but in no way does releasing gameplay footage give you the nod for having the superior game. But, many here feel that way. I think it's safe to say the majority who shout how horrible the 2K baseball franchise is are doing so on the premise that 2K's marketing strategy is lacking. I'm not saying all, but many probably can't put a finger on what exactly makes the 2K series the lesser game.

[Woodweaver]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

I don't think it's anger. I think it's an internet forum trend. 2K Sports has a philosophy of marketing that a majority of members here don't agree with. The first and obvious reaction is to compare that marketing philosophy to other developers that offer a different approach and cry foul. The second reaction, one that we see a lot of here, is a negative trend that borderlines on blind hate.

It's also a standard that they don't hold consistently among other titles. I see much nitpicking over certain stadiums being incorrect, yet we don't see this same standard applied to a game like The Show, a game that claimed last year we would see proper proportions in player models. Yet, while they are the first to release a video of this year's version, player models still look oddly proportioned. Also, SCEA failed miserably last year with online functionality, and still we don't see them being thrown under the bus as we see some posters have done in this very thread (over the fact that 2K hasn't released gameplay footage).

I want to see footage, and I do expect it by now, but in no way does releasing gameplay footage give you the nod for having the superior game. But, many here feel that way. I think it's safe to say the majority who shout how horrible the 2K baseball franchise is are doing so on the premise that 2K's marketing strategy is lacking. I'm not saying all, but many probably can't put a finger on what exactly makes the 2K series the lesser game.

Your generalizations and assumptions are incorrect. You just have to take peak at The Show forum for about 5 minutes to know this fact.

I think it is safer to say that the majority of gamers that think the 2K series isn't that good simply played the game in its past few incarnations. Read the many bug threads in this forum for exact reasons for these feelings.

[RealmK]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

This is a good exchange. Personally, I don't see how anyone can see this and think their feedback is so useful where they couldn't accomplish what they needed to another way and for less money.

Still, showing so many major league players backing your game is how it is done today.



Community days have done more for games than you will ever know.

I will say this, however. Some companies utilize the information learned during these events more than others.

You have no idea what the community leader has done for a game. And if I were capable of telling you, you'd be floored.

2k doesn't seem to have the monetary resources for a community day, IMO. That's all it amounts to. But I can tell you if they did, and were able to implement it correctly, it would do wonders for this game.

And I tell you this from personal experience.

Right Pared, because paying some random MLB'ers cash to say your game is good regardless of quality makes far more sense than getting feedback from the very sports gamers that play your titles. That makes perfect sense.

Also not suprised to see kcxiv, a 2k moderator defend 2k tooth and nail.

It cost zero, zip, nada, nothing to have a few lead devs post on OS and get feedback on how to make the game better or what needs fixing. The Show devs do this, EA's NBA and NHL devs do this, and its resulted in better games. Why this is so hard for 2k to grasp is beyond me. I'm about 99.9% convinced 2k's marketing department dictates development for both the MLB and NHL sku at this point and NBA is the only game that's actually taken seriously.

[Pared]

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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but my point was these ballplayers can't offer the amount of input that makes their price worthwhile.

So unless I'm reading it wrong, we're in agreement. But to act like having these players around isn't beneficial to their marketing would be naive.

[RealmK]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but my point was these ballplayers can't offer the amount of input that makes their price worthwhile.

So unless I'm reading it wrong, we're in agreement. But to act like having these players around isn't beneficial to their marketing would be naive.

I'm reading it more as "paid endorsement" and not much else to be honest.

[Pared]

Re: 2K Sports Signs All-Star Lineup to Promote MLB 2K10 this Season w/ Video

What coverboy(s) hasn't/haven't been a paid endorsement? Of course they all are.