deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

[deadlyCane]

I had some people who downloaded the rosters Guru and I have been working on and they want to know the slider set I've been using. The roster set is called BCSplus#Rerates with # being a the actual number of mid-major teams edited along with all the BCS conference teams. You can find more details on the discussion thread I started here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ter-edits.html

Assumptions:
- In real NCAA each team averages anywhere from about 14 PF per game to about 20-22ish. That is a very high number for most gamers. These sliders once you master them should get you anywhere from 10 to 16 with some games upwards of 20.

GLOBAL SETTINGS
- HALF LENGTH: 18-Minutes
-DIFFICULTY: All Conference
-GAME SPEED: 45
-SHOOTING FOUL FREQ: 67 (Minimum of 65, max of 70. Anymore than 70 and you get a lot of touch shooting fouls)
- REACH IN FOUL FREQ: 100
- CHARGE/BLOCK FOUL FREQ: 100
- AUTO SUBS: ON (optional)
- BASKET INDICATOR: ON (optional)
- FATIGUE EFFECT: 100 (this is a must)
- FREE THROW DIFFICULTY: 60
- BOUNDARY FORCE FIELD: 50
- IN AIR COLLISION FOUL FREQ: 75

USER/CPU
-STEAL ABILITY: 85/40
- INTERCEPTION ABILITY: 100/65
- SHOT BLOCK ABILITY: 35/35
- DUNK/LAY-UP ABILITY: 45/45
- OFFENSIVE REBOUND: 75/75
- DEFENSIVE REBOUND: 50/45
- FAKEOUT DISCIPLINE: 40/40
- SHORT RANGE SHOOTING: 40/30
- MEDIUM RANGE SHOOTING: 45/42
- LONG RANGE SHOOTING 50/50
- DUNK PERCENTAGE: 45/45
- LAY-UP PERCENTAGE: 45/35
- DROP STEP EFFECTIVENESS: 50/75
- SINK OR SWIM EFFECTIVENESS: 80/80
- DEFENSIVE POST STRENGTH: 100/100
- SHOT ALTER ABILITY: 75/55
- FIGHT THROUGH SCREENS: 50/50
- HANDS IN POST: 75/55
- HANDS ON PERIMETER: 55/55

Notes:
- It's important to leave the REACH-IN FOUL and the CHARGE/BLOCK FOUL sliders at 100 to get close to appropriate number and types of fouls. Doing this you'll see about 2-3 on the ball offensive fouls a game depending on your play. You'll also off the ball fouls on offensive and defense against the cpu. Kind of sweet when they get called for an illegal screen. Leaving REACH-IN at 100 means you have to be discipline with your on the ball steal attempts. If you're the type to jab at the steal button all the time you'll need to kick yourself out of that habit.

- 100 for FATIGUE is a must since fatigue is so poorly implemented in this game.

- If you're using the rosters I posted and the cpu still does not dunk often enough for your liking try increasing the dunk ability a bit.

- If you're using the rosters I posted and the cpu still does not take enough threes for your liking, try boosting its Long Range shooting slightly. I'm not really sure that will do the trick as I found adjusting the individual 3-point ratings of players is more effective. Please don't do this until you've at least tested by playing a couple games on the road against a team that starts a lot of 3-point shooters like Duke, Michigan or Villanova. There are others like Syracuse who start three but they are good ones.

- If you're too proficient at scoring, then try lowering some of the user shooting abilities.

- And of course, sliders are highly dependent on user skill levels and abilities so these may not be for you. I'll post some box scores from games using my rosters when I get a chance.

[gmac0322]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

I really liked these sliders. the only problem that i had was that almost everytime i got in the paint I turned the ball over. I think it might've been playing stupid lol. I was a little more careful in the second half and I didnt have as many turnovers. I use the Hoyas and Monroe is a beast on the block. thanks

[SteelerSpartan]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

pretty good sliders.........I play 17 min qrts with WVU

only had one weird game against Pitt where they only shot %29 at home score was like 57-49....the rest have been %36-%58


Ive been smoked by Tenn, Kansas State, and Baylor

but at the same time still beat Missouri, Georgia Tech, and Illinois


maybe a little too much scoring for the full 20 min people but im getting good scores with 17 min...and Ill just reduce time if it ever becomes a problem(Don't think it will)

good job...I don't feel cheated much at all with these

[deadlyCane]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Yeah guys, you can lower the minutes by 1 or two per half or better yet, drop the offensive abilities of both cpu and user a bit.

And for gmac I had the same issue when I first started playing this game. I found that if you hold off turbo you have a less chance of turning the ball over in the paint. You also don't want to be turbo blasting in the paint with a big man. Basically with big men just do your post moves, which many are a few dribbles and that's it. It kind of keeps you honest and forces you to run your offense like in real life.

I'm posting a box score of a game I played yesterday. It was using a slightly modified version of the roster file I have available online for download. This one started with Mizzou taking a huge lead on me in the first half. Then I crept back in going into the half. I took control with a run midway through the 2nd half. Once I went up about 9 or ten I started running clock with about 4 or 3:00 min to go where I would not get into my offense until about the 15-18 second mark. Mizzou scored some late points on FTs and clutch shooting to keep me from blowing them out. Here is the box score:

Date Played: 1/18/2010 
Roster File Used: BCSplus2Rerate															
[B]															
Oklahoma State (cpu) 62 at Kansas (me) 73															

Kansas		POS	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	BLK	STL	TO	PF	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA [/B]
C. Aldrich*	C	29	10	12	1	3	0	1	2	5	9	0	0	0	0
M. Morris	PF	19	8	6	4	1	0	1	3	3	4	0	0	2	2
X. Henry	SF	31	19	6	3	2	0	1	1	7	11	1	2	4	4
T. Taylor	SG	23	4	4	2	0	0	1	2	2	8	0	1	0	0
S. Collins	PG	23	11	0	5	0	1	10	3	5	10	1	3	0	0
M. Morris, PF	B1	18	10	2	2	2	0	0	1	3	4	0	0	4	5
B. Morningstar	B2	13	6	2	2	1	0	0	1	2	5	0	2	2	2
T. Robinson	B3	4	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
T. Reed		B4	10	0	0	1	1	0	1	0	0	2	0	0	0	0
T. Releford	B5	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	2
C. Teahan	B6	4	3	2	0	0	0	1	0	1	1	1	1	0	0
C. Buford	B7	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
TOTALS			174	73	34	22	10	1	16	13	28	54	3	9	14	15

[B]
Okie St.	POS	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	BLK	STL	TO	PF	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA [/B]
M. Moses	C	31	6	11	3	0	1	3	0	2	7	0	0	2	6
J. Anderson*	PF	32	28	10	2	0	1	1	2	10	20	1	1	7	8
O. Muonelo	SF	33	14	1	5	1	0	1	3	5	10	0	3	4	5
K. Page		SG	33	5	3	3	0	1	4	3	2	15	1	8	0	0
R. Penn		PG	33	9	1	1	0	2	4	3	3	13	1	6	2	2
M. Pilgrim	B1	7	0	3	0	0	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	0	0
R. Franklin	B2	3	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0
F. Gulley	B3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
T. Walker	B4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
N. Sidorakis	B5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
G. Thomas	B6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
J. Shaw		B7	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	0	0
TOTALS			174	62	29	15	1	5	13	13	22	68	3	18	15	21

* Denotes player of the game for that team.															
[B]
USR FG%	0.52%														
CPU FG%	0.32%														
															
USR 3P%	0.33%														
CPU 3P%	0.17%														
															
USER FT%	0.93%														
CPU FT%	0.71%														

USER OFF REB: 4												
CUP OFF REB:  10
[/B]

[gmac0322]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Yeah guys, you can lower the minutes by 1 or two per half or better yet, drop the offensive abilities of both cpu and user a bit.

And for gmac I had the same issue when I first started playing this game. I found that if you hold off turbo you have a less chance of turning the ball over in the paint. You also don't want to be turbo blasting in the paint with a big man. Basically with big men just do your post moves, which many are a few dribbles and that's it. It kind of keeps you honest and forces you to run your offense like in real life.

I'm posting a box score of a game I played yesterday. It was using a slightly modified version of the roster file I have available online for download. This one started with Mizzou taking a huge lead on me in the first half. Then I crept back in going into the half. I took control with a run midway through the 2nd half. Once I went up about 9 or ten I started running clock with about 4 or 3:00 min to go where I would not get into my offense until about the 15-18 second mark. Mizzou scored some late points on FTs and clutch shooting to keep me from blowing them out. Here is the box score:

Date Played: 1/18/2010 
Roster File Used: BCSplus2Rerate                                                            

[B]Oklahoma State (cpu) 62 at Kansas (me) 73                                                            [/B]
 
[B]Kansas        POS    MIN    PTS    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    FGM    FGA    3PM    3PA    FTM    FTA [/B]
C. Aldrich*    C    29    10    12    1    3    0    1    2    5    9    0    0    0    0
M. Morris    PF    19    8    6    4    1    0    1    3    3    4    0    0    2    2
X. Henry    SF    31    19    6    3    2    0    1    1    7    11    1    2    4    4
T. Taylor    SG    23    4    4    2    0    0    1    2    2    8    0    1    0    0
S. Collins    PG    23    11    0    5    0    1    10    3    5    10    1    3    0    0
M. Morris, PF    B1    18    10    2    2    2    0    0    1    3    4    0    0    4    5
B. Morningstar    B2    13    6    2    2    1    0    0    1    2    5    0    2    2    2
T. Robinson    B3    4    0    0    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
T. Reed        B4    10    0    0    1    1    0    1    0    0    2    0    0    0    0
T. Releford    B5    0    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    2    2
C. Teahan    B6    4    3    2    0    0    0    1    0    1    1    1    1    0    0
C. Buford    B7    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
TOTALS            174    73    34    22    10    1    16    13    28    54    3    9    14    15
 
 
[B]Okie St.    POS    MIN    PTS    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    FGM    FGA    3PM    3PA    FTM    FTA [/B]
M. Moses    C    31    6    11    3    0    1    3    0    2    7    0    0    2    6
J. Anderson*    PF    32    28    10    2    0    1    1    2    10    20    1    1    7    8
O. Muonelo    SF    33    14    1    5    1    0    1    3    5    10    0    3    4    5
K. Page        SG    33    5    3    3    0    1    4    3    2    15    1    8    0    0
R. Penn        PG    33    9    1    1    0    2    4    3    3    13    1    6    2    2
M. Pilgrim    B1    7    0    3    0    0    0    0    1    0    1    0    0    0    0
R. Franklin    B2    3    0    0    1    0    0    0    0    0    1    0    0    0    0
F. Gulley    B3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
T. Walker    B4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
N. Sidorakis    B5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
G. Thomas    B6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
J. Shaw        B7    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    0    1    0    0    0    0
TOTALS            174    62    29    15    1    5    13    13    22    68    3    18    15    21
 
* Denotes player of the game for that team.                                                            
 
[B]USR FG%    0.52%                                                        [/B]
[B]CPU FG%    0.32%                                                        [/B]

[B]USR 3P%    0.33%                                                        [/B]
[B]CPU 3P%    0.17%                                                        [/B]

[B]USER FT%    0.93%                                                        [/B]
[B]CPU FT%    0.71%                                                        [/B]
 
[B]USER OFF REB: 4                                                [/B]
[B]CUP OFF REB:  10[/B]

thanks for the tip. I will try that. I am in a tournament and I am about to play Marquette with g town. I moved from 2k just to try something different so i am in the learning stages now. I will start a dynasty after I finish the quick tournament. I am loving the game though.

[deadlyCane]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

thanks for the tip. I will try that. I am in a tournament and I am about to play Marquette with g town. I moved from 2k just to try something different so i am in the learning stages now. I will start a dynasty after I finish the quick tournament. I am loving the game though.

I used to be a CHOOPS 2k8 guy too. What rosters are you using?

[gmac0322]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

I used to be a CHOOPS 2k8 guy too. What rosters are you using?

I think I am using yours. the ones that you updated over the weekend.

[deadlyCane]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Oh, ok. Just trying to get some perspective. If you have the time please let me know how many 3-pointers the cpu attempts against you each game. Post the name of the cpu team when doing so. That's my biggest problem with this game: the cpu doesn't attempt anywhere near sufficient threes with the default rosters.

Thanks.

[gmac0322]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Oh, ok. Just trying to get some perspective. If you have the time please let me know how many 3-pointers the cpu attempts against you each game. Post the name of the cpu team when doing so. That's my biggest problem with this game: the cpu doesn't attempt anywhere near sufficient threes with the default rosters.

Thanks.

Ok cool, I will let you know. I will probably play later on tonight and I will let you know.

[krildog]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

How do these sliders play without rerated rosters? I ask because I'm a 360 guy and have not seen a rerated set yet. Was considering trying these with the default named rosters from OS.

[deadlyCane]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

krildog, the biggest difference is that u may not see a lot of 3FGA from most cpu teams. That, however, is more due the rosters uses than the sliders. Another thing w default rosters u may want to bump up cpu and/or user dunk ability to about 50 no more rhan 55 if depending on ur preference. Personally, i dont want my games turning into dunkfest. Each team getting 2 to 5 per game is good enough for me. The default rosters will yield less dunks from the cpu so thats why i suggest upping dunks if using default.

[gmac0322]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Ok I played hoyas versus marquete and marquette shot 20 threes and made 6 of them.

[jkra0512]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Tried these without your re-rated rosters and won with GTown 66-39 over Rutgers. I really like the foul sliders, I think I just need to re-work the shooting sliders to my liking. I might combine the shooting sliders from Blue's with the rest of your sliders.

I lost VERY close games against Pitt, Villanova, and Marquette with his sliders but I couldn't get the right mix of fouls. The CPU would shoot like 14 FTs a game and I'd be lucky to shoot 4. Your foul sliders are spot on Cane, great job.

[deadlyCane]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Ok I played hoyas versus marquete and marquette shot 20 threes and made 6 of them.

Alright, that's good to hear. The first reason for re-rating the rosters was to get the cpu to shoot more threes. Glad it's happening for you. Last year the lowest team 3FGA was somewhere around 10 and that's about the same this season (UCONN is somewhere around there). Last year Georgetown was one of about 3-5 teams that shot the median at 17 per game. The upper limits were around 30 but that was with a select 3 or 4 teams. You got good results in your game against Marquette. Remember, though, not every game will be the same.

Now what this will do in addition to these sliders is forcing you to have respect for the outside game instead of just packing everyone in. Of course you'll still do that when you play a team like UCONN who aren't adept at shooting threes. However when you play teams with gunners you're going to have to think defensively. You'll be working when they have capable big men and spot up shooters. Makes the game more dynamic like a college game should be.

No obligation but if you have time as you play in the next few days I'm curious to know that same type of info. Not a biggie if you don't have time. I'm tweaking some stuff with the rosters.

Tried these without your re-rated rosters and won with GTown 66-39 over Rutgers. I really like the foul sliders, I think I just need to re-work the shooting sliders to my liking. I might combine the shooting sliders from Blue's with the rest of your sliders.

I lost VERY close games against Pitt, Villanova, and Marquette with his sliders but I couldn't get the right mix of fouls. The CPU would shoot like 14 FTs a game and I'd be lucky to shoot 4. Your foul sliders are spot on Cane, great job.

Wow, how do you get such a low score? Running with GTOWN do you run a half court offense? I know there was a game the Hoyas played earlier in the year against Temple where the score was 46-45 but that's not surprising considering the style those two teams play. I wish I could get a score like 66-39. Maybe I'm just impatient or maybe using the default rosters makes it more likely since they don't attempt three pointers. Anyway, good job.

The fouls were something I wanted to get right. If you're aggressive you should pick up fouls. If you just settle for jump shots, well, no free lunch for you. Good to see they are working out for others.

[jkra0512]

Re: deadlyCane's All Conference Sliders

Hey Cane I tried these again, I only changed to Blue's shooting sliders but everything else is from your set. I played Syracuse in Syracuse and the game wasn't all that close towards the end. I won 64-53 and they were absolutely atrocious from beyond the arc, then again they didn't shoot much from outside. When they did shoot it from there they were fadeaway crap shots that clanged off the rim.

They shot 40% from the field while I shot 52%, so I moved their shooting sliders up a tad and I moved my mid- and long-range shots down by five each. I play Duke at home in my next game so we'll see how that goes.

I like how these play right now, I just have the tune the shooting.