Madden NFL 11 Video Shows Off Headshot Created w/ EA 3-D Pod

[Lisa_Bonami]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

Before we see rotoscoped authentic faces and expressions, I'd like the game to address the gameplay and make sure that is the most advanced feature in the game before anything else. I want a new nex gen engine that utilizes real physics, weight, height and incorporates true player ratings into its calculations to trigger authentic animations....not this pre scripted stuff that picks from a pool of closest match animations

I want to see the subtle differences between a Reggie Wayne, Wes Welker and a Randy Moss. I dont want them all lumped into one model/animation with just different skin tones and uniforms

I want to see a variety of realistic sound effects in the trenches of grunts and pads hitting rather than hearing the same generic crunch whether my player gets popped up high or tripped up by the ankles!

I'd like to see real player and team distinctions and different coaching AI's for each team that play real strategic football to try and win rather than AI cheats

I'd like to see player ratings that also take into account, consistency, confidence, maturity as well. I want to see player's get rattled, I'd like to see players make mistakes!

I'd like to see recievers who can run excellent routes...and I want to see recievers that dont. I want these ratings to mean something

I want to see players and teams have certain comfortabilities with playbooks they run and likewise, execution penalties for teams trying to perform plays outside of their experience.

I want offensive and defensive coordinators to bring new playbooks into their portfolio and teams would have to become proficient at them before excellent results are achieved


These are just some of the things I expect Madden to bring to the table to elevate their stale franchise over the years....I dont want to see another gimmick feature like create a fan, sign, or referee.

I dont care how authentic Clinton Portis' cleats are or how realistic Payton Manning's receding hairline is captured! I want better, deeper, richer and more strategic football that rewards me for using my head in addition to my fingers.

Madden has been stale and unispiring for the last several years and I find it a chore to make it thru an entire game these days!

Come on EA, give us something fresh and mesmerizing with a passion for the sport!!......Want an excellent example, look at what MLB the Show has done for Baseball

[roadman]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

That was the response we got last year. They must have 20 guys in the art deprtment and 1 concentrating on gameplay cause we got colored cleats, animated hand towels, super bowl patches, ben rothlisberger got his number placed in the right spot on the back of his helmet...

What great gameplay feature from last gen made it into Madden 10 that hadn't made it to the current systems yet? How many are still missing and begged for every year?

Well, if you are taking that route in the first paragraph, you act like there were no gameplay enhancements at all in 10.

Yes, we all know there are missing gameplay elements missing from last gen. I don't think there is anything we can do about it until they are put back in the game. If you beg for them every year, it doesn't mean they are guaranteed they will make it back into the game.

Heck, I've wanted in-game saves into the game among other things, but that has been ignored as well. What is high on my priority list, isn't always high on Madden's priority list.

I can't control that.

[roadman]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

Come on EA, give us something fresh and mesmerizing with a passion for the sport!!......Want an excellent example, look at what MLB the Show has done for Baseball

Last year, Ian wrote a big thank you in that forum praising the game.

Let's wait for gameplay information before we put 11 in a grave in late January. EA didn't report or blog on this 3D technology, the NFL website did.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

Well, if you are taking that route in the first paragraph, you act like there were no gameplay enhancements at all in 10.

Yes, we all know there are missing gameplay elements missing from last gen. I don't think there is anything we can do about it until they are put back in the game. If you beg for them every year, it doesn't mean they are guaranteed they will make it back into the game.

Heck, I've wanted in-game saves into the game among other things, but that has been ignored as well. What is high on my priority list, isn't always high on Madden's priority list.

I can't control that.

The point is what they decide to concentrate on every year. They can't sell the game touting old features so they just skip them and brag about how good the game looks. I would take any oldfeature just to let me know they are trying to get them back in. In game saves, wr shading, bump and run, audibles on the fly, formation shifts, precision passing as good as it used to be..any of these will do.

Personally, I'm just not that impressed with the gameplay improvements of madden 10 by the way. The game dropped with horrible pursuit angles, terrible blocking, and wr jamming that lasts 10+ yards. Add those in with the definite improvements and you have a game that was improved over 09 but still had enough game killing flaws that I haven't played a down since MW2 dropped--and I'm a guy that always makes a football game his first purchase whenever I get a new console.

[MattIntellect]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

That was the response we got last year. They must have 20 guys in the art deprtment and 1 concentrating on gameplay cause we got colored cleats, animated hand towels, super bowl patches, ben rothlisberger got his number placed in the right spot on the back of his helmet...

What great gameplay feature from last gen made it into Madden 10 that hadn't made it to the current systems yet? How many are still missing and begged for every year?

What I'm saying is that this happens every year during the Pro-bowl. This news is not anything to get upset and worried about certain aspects of the game being left out. We have a gameplay Superbowl halftime blog coming up in a few days. I just don't see how this news shows any indication of the Madden team's focus this year, especially considering that it doesn't appear to be coming from the marketing department or even Ian.

[mm boost]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

You guys need to calm the hell down, my gosh. EA didn't even post this, it was on NFL.com. They are not pushing "3-d modeling on the faces as being the biggest addition to 2011 madden!!!1!!!111"

This is pure speculation as to what EA has in store for madden this year. Maybe the 3-d modeling is just a minor aspect of what they are bringing to the table? This thread is about 3-d modeling, not gameplay. If you want to bitch about gameplay, why not go in the thread that was talking about the SB halftime blog that Ian will be posting? Doesn't that make alot more sense instead of nonsense posted in here in a thread about 3-d faces? Makes sense to me!

[TreyIM2]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video Shows Off Headshot Created w/ EA 3-D Pod

While I understand people's concerns about this being the first "unofficially official" info about Madden 11, like it has been said, this speaks nothing to the rest of the game. The art/graphics department DOES NOT work on gameplay. They have a job to do to contribute to the game, as well. This is just one aspect of the game but, again, I understand why some would be upset at this being "released first". You also have to remember, like someone else said, this was from nfl.com, not directly for EA. As much as the game is EA's, it's also the NFL's since they license out the NFL aspects from top to bottom. There was NO game footage released.

Now, that being said - Is the "new innovation" that "no one will see coming" for Madden 11 is that it will be a 3-D game? Is this the big clue enlight of the fact that 3D gaming WILL be officially introduced this year, at least on the PS3 side, that I know of? Hmm.

[Valdarez]

I wonder if we'll actually see helmets come off again now.

[roadman]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

The point is what they decide to concentrate on every year. They can't sell the game touting old features so they just skip them and brag about how good the game looks. I would take any oldfeature just to let me know they are trying to get them back in. In game saves, wr shading, bump and run, audibles on the fly, formation shifts, precision passing as good as it used to be..any of these will do.

Personally, I'm just not that impressed with the gameplay improvements of madden 10 by the way. The game dropped with horrible pursuit angles, terrible blocking, and wr jamming that lasts 10+ yards. Add those in with the definite improvements and you have a game that was improved over 09 but still had enough game killing flaws that I haven't played a down since MW2 dropped--and I'm a guy that always makes a football game his first purchase whenever I get a new console.

I would love those features back in myself.

Honestly, I feel the pursuit angles improved in patch 2, but not to the point I would say they are perfect.

I just think it's premature to jump up and down about a feature that EA didn't write/blog about when it was the nfl that wrote the article.

I'm sure Ian wasn't going to release this information in his game play blog on SB Sunday.

There is 7.5 months of information to filter out, yet. And all of it's not going to be all about game play either. There is gameplay, franchise, presentation, online franchise, etc... to write and blog about.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

I would love those features back in myself.

Honestly, I feel the pursuit angles improved in patch 2, but not to the point I would say they are perfect.

I just think it's premature to jump up and down about a feature that EA didn't write/blog about when it was the nfl that wrote the article.

Maybe it is premature. So far what we have tho is that

1) for some reason they probably spent a ton of cash getting 3-d scans players heads when players wear helmets and are fined for removing them on the field.

2) they probably spent a fair amont of more cash getting Mark Turmell on board who has a huge arcade background and thinks the game is too complicated and wants to make it easier to pick up and play.

As far as what I'm looking for, none of the early info has boded well for the direction they want to take madden.

[roadman]

Re: Check out EA's new 3-D Pod (Madden 2011)

Maybe it is premature. So far what we have tho is that

1) for some reason they probably spent a ton of cash getting 3-d scans players heads when players wear helmets and are fined for removing them on the field.

2) they probably spent a fair amont of more cash getting Mark Turmell on board who has a huge arcade background and thinks the game is too complicated and wants to make it easier to pick up and play.

As far as what I'm looking for, none of the early info has boded well for the direction they want to take madden.

I'll only respond to number 2.

I think you are jumping the gun and speculating on that hire as well. It was already documented in this forum from Ian's Twitter that Everything You See on Sunday is Tummel's idea as well.

People seem to forget that he made a sim hockey game, but that is swept under the carpet because people see NBA Jam, Blitz, etc.......

I need to play a wait and see game on that hire. At this point, I will take Ian's word for it.

[splff3000]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video Shows Off Headshot Created w/ EA 3-D Pod

I'm a little on the fence about everything. I want in my heart to think that they are working on what they should be working on, but I just can't put all my trust into EA like that. I've learned a few things in my life and one of those is look at the signs all around you. There's "new takes" and arcade directors and 3d head scans. It all points one way. I understand where roadman is coming from, but I also understand what kjcheezhead is saying too. He asks a good question. Why spend time and money on this when guys wear helmets 99% of the time? I don't know man. I know Ian's saying one thing, but all the signs are pointing at other things. Now I'm not saying I'm not buying the game or nothing already. I'm definitely looking forward for more info to come out, but right now, I'm with kjcheezhead, just a lil bit. There are some that give EA the benefit of the doubt then there are others like me lol. Here's hoping that 11 will be great and this is just the first sign of the greatness that will be Madden 11.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video Shows Off Headshot Created w/ EA 3-D Pod

That's what a message board is for is to speculate.

I tend to look at things in life, overall, with the glass half full. I'm still playing Madden 10 in my console. If I looked at things negatively all my life, my life would definitely be different. I've felt good about 10, the first time I've felt good about Madden in a long time, so, that's why I'm not all hyped up about premature news that I can't count as fact.

My point is that this is all speculative without any body of evidence what is really going on behind the scenes.

Man, Ian hasn't even released a blog about game play and the wheels start to come off.

What is really surprising is that EA is getting negative feedback based on a article the NFL wrote about. Eh, it's not really surprising when one bit of news is produced by another party.

[therizing02]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video Shows Off Headshot Created w/ EA 3-D Pod

That's what a message board is for is to speculate.

I tend to look at things in life, overall, with the glass half full. I'm still playing Madden 10 in my console. If I looked at things negatively all my life, my life would definitely be different. I've felt good about 10, the first time I've felt good about Madden in a long time, so, that's why I'm not all hyped up about premature news that I can't count as fact.

My point is that this is all speculative without any body of evidence what is really going on behind the scenes.

Man, Ian hasn't even released a blog about game play and the wheels start to come off.

What is really surprising is that EA is getting negative feedback based on a article the NFL wrote about. Eh, it's not really surprising when one bit of news is produced by another party.

QFT.

Roadman: The OS Voice of Reason

Great post man.

[Lethal Injectionz]

Hey, I got a idea. How about EA not release any info about the game until August. THEY DON'T HAVE TO TELL US ANYTHING. All the negative reponses about nothing I'm sure are annoying and distracting to developers. All they said was 3-D headshots. Everybody fall back before this early info is takin away and then we'll really be left in the dark