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Does anyone know if they added auto fielding this year...where the cpu will get to the ball and field it but you can control the throwing for your team?
Very good writeup, and things absolutely sound much improved... but I just can't seem to get over the lack of a check swing. I dunno though, I think I just need to see this puppy in motion.
Can someone post the full write-up in the thread. I can't get to the link via os@work.
Thanks in advance.
I'll post everything after those intro paragraphs:
On the Field
The developers at Visual Concepts are going through their first full year of development with the MLB 2K franchise -- last year they had less than a full development cycle to work on MLB 2K9. In my time with the game, what that seems to mean is that there is a lot more time to polish the game and remove a lot of those pesky bugs and quirks that plagued last yearโs game. This means we should see a more consistent frame rate (no more slow-mo ball while catching a ball in the outfield), outfielders should actually catch balls hit right at them, first basemen should actually touch first base to get a runner out and so on.
Hitting
But beyond the amount of polish that can be applied during a full development cycle, the other benefit seems to be more time to actually refine and update core mechanics of the game. Namely, the hitting seems to have gotten the most attention this year.
As someone who never liked the swing stick in the past versions of the MLB 2Kgames, I was surprised by how much I enjoyed toying around with the updated swing stick, which I will be dubbing Swing Stick 4.0 (just cause). This year you can defensive swing by pressing left or right on the analog stick; you can power swing by pressing down and then up on the analog stick; and you can contact swing by simply pressing up on the analog stick. Basically, you now have a lot of choices while at the plate, and there are positives and negatives to each type of swing.
But with the amount of choice Visual Concepts has provided for gamers while at the plate, itโs a little perplexing that the developers chose to remove the check swing. Now, I will be the first to admit that I could never effectively check swing in the first place using the swing stick (having check swing on the trigger just never seemed to click for me), and a lot of the time the attempted checked swings looked really funky in a visual sense. Nevertheless, sports games have to be all about providing choices, and a simulation game that does not provide a check swing -- even one that is less than perfect -- is not a good thing for gamers.
Moving beyond the lack of a check swing, I think the different types of swings that can be done on the analog stick this year make me believe that using buttons is not the only way hitting can be potentially fun and effective.
I believe that may be the case because it seems like defensive swings versus contact swings will fit nicely into my style of hitting. In general (and especially with two strikes), I will look inside while at the plate and react to things on the outside of the plate. At other times, if I have a nice hitterโs count, I may focus in on a spot in the zone and try to power swing. The point is I decide before the pitch is on its way what my general philosophy will be on the next pitch. I do not think gamers will have the reaction time to see a pitch and decide to use whatever swing type they want, but it certainly seems like it will be feasible to decide between contact and defensive swings.
Ratings will also tie into these swings. You should be more inclined to contact swing with Ichiro and more inclined to power swing with Ryan Howard. Ichiro can still hit home runs using the contact swing, but his timing during a contact swing has to be perfect. But if Ichiro is trying to use the power swing, his timing window to hit the ball hard will be smaller than if he tried to hit the ball using a contact swing.
And since the โswing influenceโ has also been minimized this year, hitting is all about timing. No longer simply using the โswing influenceโ to hit the ball wherever you want is the way to go. So if you want to hit the ball to the opposite field, you have to wait for the ball to get deeper into the zone before taking a whack.
This should mean home-run fests should be kept to a minimum. Yes, if you are using the power swing over and over, you are going to hit more home runs than the person who is using the contact swing. However, you cannot simply press the swing influence stick and then pull outside pitches for home runs (I tried).
Pitching
When it comes to pitching, you now select your pitch before doing the motion on the stick. Really, nothing has fundamentally changed from a controls perspective, but now ratings, stamina and confidence tie into a pitcherโs ability to pitch effectively. As an example, I threw four perfect innings with Koji Uehara while using the Baltimore Orioles (on Pro difficulty), but in the fourth inning I ran into trouble since my pitch count was on the rise. I ended up walking a guy and then allowing a single. At that point Koji still had confidence, but I was not pinpointing pitches as well as I had during the first four innings. I ended up battling out of the jam, but I had to really work to do so.
When I got into a jam, I could have asked for a mound visit, which is done differently this year. When there is a meeting on the mound, now you can select confidence or stamina and a small bit of either one of those qualities will return to your pitcher. Confidence ties into your ball cursor -- the cursor will begin to move around on the screen more violently as you get into bigger jams. Stamina will really tie into your accuracy and ability to pinpoint pitches.
Pinpointing will not be very easy to do either way since ratings also play a bigger role when pitching. Your outfielder will not be able to come into the game and paint the corners anymore. In addition to that, even when your normally wild pitchers are nailing their pitching motions, there is an inherent amount of wildness that will still show up. By default, Joel Pineiro is just going to be more accurate than Oliver Perez.
This also ties into how the AI performs. During my time with the game, I walked two CPU batters, but I also drew two or three walks against my CPU counterpart. When an AI pitcher with weak control attributes is on the mound, he may miss the strike zone by a lot more on a more consistent basis than a control pitcher will.
While on the mound, the other thing I noticed was the graphics. A lot of the work that has been done this year has to do with the stadiums, fields and overall look of the things surrounding the players. However, the player themselves look a bit underwhelming. I think their jerseys and so forth look really solid, but the faces are not quite up to par. Some of the faces are hit or miss, but the bigger problem just seems to be the textures on the faces. The faces simply do not really pop out off the screen and scream realism because those smaller details are not able to shine through.
Fielding
Preloading throws, new animations and a removal of turbo seem to be the biggest changes this year (beyond the fact that outfielders should catch balls hit right at them). Preloading a throw seems to work just fine, and I was able to watch the CPU turn an easy double play on me while rocking a preloaded throw. These preloaded throws should really help to remove a lot of those โquickโ throws that you would try to pull off last year. (The quick throws really looked unnatural last year because the fielder went through a throwing animation way too fast.)
As for new animations, obviously a lot of the preloaded throws tie into new animations. At one point, I moved to my right to field a grounder as the shortstop, and all in one motion (and animation) the shortstop picked up the ball and fired it off balance towards first base for an out.
As for the removal of turbo, this seems to tie into the choice to let ratings do their thing as well. Players who are great base stealers but are not necessarily good at using their speed in the outfield will be exposed via ratings. If a player has iffy fielding ratings but great speed and aggression on the bases, he may be a demon on the basepaths but just all right while manning center field. Obviously, it would be easier if you could just make players take bad routes rather than affect the speed rating in some way, but since you are not intentionally going to take a bad route to a ball, it seems to be the middle ground.
My Player
The big addition to the feature set is the My Player career mode. The goal of this mode is take your player from a Double-A organization all the way to the MLB Hall of Fame. You create a hitter or pitcher with a robust set of editing tools (those who played NBA 2K10 should be familiar with the editing system), and from there you can either select what organization you want to be a part of or be randomly placed in an organization.
I witnessed the start of a position playerโs career in the My Player mode, which starts with a โclutch momentโ during your initial at-bat in Double-A. Clutch moments are exactly what they sound like, but they really will not occur too often in the minors -- you will see them much more once you reach the MLB. Your job during this initial clutch moment is to drive home a runner from second base. In my demo session, the developer got a hit with his player, but the ball was not hit well enough to drive in the runner on second.
From there, the developer ended up trying to steal with his player -- a bad idea since his ratings as a Double-A player in his first game were, well, horrific. However, I did get to see the mechanics behind steals. First off, while on base in the My Player mode, the camera is behind your player at first base. At any rate, I was more interested to see how stealing has changed this year. The main difference between this year and last year -- and to be clear, you steal this way in My Player mode or a regular game -- is how you start stealing the base. You still steal using the trigger, but this year when you release the trigger your player automatically starts stealing. This means there is no โpreloadingโ steals, you now need to time the pitcher and start stealing when the pitcher starts his motion towards the plate. The nice thing is the pitcher will not always head towards the plate at the same time, so itโs not so easy to time the pitcher and get a good jump.
During the terribly pathetic steal attempt, I also got to see a new two-man animation. For those unaware, the developers have added a bunch of new two-man animations to the game that should help solve some of the major clipping issues in previous versions of the game. The animation I witnessed was the infielder tagging out the baserunner at second base. You could visibly see the infielder tag the baserunner, so at least during one instance the two-man animation did equal a clean and good looking tag-out situation.
But getting back to core mechanics of the My Player mode, within each game you only are in control of your player during moments when you are involved in the play. So if you are up at the plate, then you control your player. If you need to get in position to receive a cutoff throw, you will need to realize that and position your player accordingly. When you are not involved in the play, Super Sim takes over and you watch as the game quickly unfolds before you.
After playing a game or partaking in a drill, you use the points that you earned to boost your playerโs skills. This is important because your playerโs ratings are broken into a couple of independent groups. So, for example, you will have a certain amount of points to spend on hitting and another amount of points to spend on baserunning attributes. You can also use your points to half-purchase attributes. So instead of waiting until you have 1,000 points to upgrade your speed rating by a point, you can use the 275 points you already have and put them towards speed and get closer to purchasing that speed point. Really, think of it like making a down payment on something -- you made an initial payment, and when you get the rest of the money you can finish paying off the rest. The nice part is no banks are involved in the attribute-buying process in MLB 2K10.
You also have certain goals you will have to meet in order to get called up. These goals are very accessible and easy to view, and as you reach these goals you can see a meter filling up that shows how close you are to getting called up. Another element in this process is wins and losses. By winning games you gain more attribute points than you would when you lose. The developers threw this aspect into the mix because they still want gamers to focus on winning games rather than completing individual goals at the cost of the team.
As you play game after game, you may get tired of the grind and want to simulate some games. You can simulate games and still gain some points (about a fourth as many as you would by actually playing the games). If you simulate a large amount of games, the game will still ask if you want to intervene and take over during a โclutch momentโ or a key game that is important for a pennant race or something else along those lines.
All in all, while these career modes are not my cup of tea, the mode looks like it will be a solid addition for gamers who are into that sort of thing.
Wrapping It Up
By the time my demo session was over, I was not ready to put the controller down. At no point did I ever have that feeling with MLB 2K9. In fact, by the end of my first nine innings with MLB 2K9 I realized the game was not going to do it for me. Now, that does not mean I necessarily think MLB 2K10 will end up being a revelation, but I do think the game can potentially restore some semblance of order and direction to the franchise. Obviously, that is not really a glowing endorsement or a disparaging remark, but I cannot really give the game a big thumbs up or down after a minimal amount of time with the game.
*Full disclosure: 2K paid for my two-night hotel stay and airfare during this trip. While it did not influence what I wrote here, I always think it is important to be upfront with the visitors of this site whenever possible.*
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Does anyone know if they added auto fielding this year...where the cpu will get to the ball and field it but you can control the throwing for your team?
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This was basically the default last year to a point. On anything close to a fielder, you could take your hand off the controller and the game would auto-pilot your player to the ball. I hope they removed this as a default...and for your sake and many others, I hope they added a true auto-field.
This was basically the default last year to a point. On anything close to a fielder, you could take your hand off the controller and the game would auto-pilot your player to the ball. I hope they removed this as a default...and for your sake and many others, I hope they added a true auto-field.
Yes...thank you. I hope they did too...I hate fielding, but want to take care of the throwing. I want it to work the same way the other game does. We'll see I guess...
If 2k didn't fix the cpu "swing at every strike, let every ball go unless it's a curveball" problem then I don't care what they improved on...that was a dealbreaker for me last year...
One question I failed to ask was about looking art the opposing team's line-up and bench. for some reason this was completely dorked last year. if you wanted to see what righties and lefties were coming up, or who was left on the bench, it was a royal pain.
Has this been streamlined, to at least how it was in 2K8?
Ya know, one that also seems better this year are the bat sounds. Previously they sounded like someone splintering bamboo over a concrete block, but the few I've heard in the videos sound like they have changed it. I'm pretty much a gameplay kinda guy, but those bat sounds had me cringing the last couple years.
Ya know, one that also seems better this year are the bat sounds. Previously they sounded like someone splintering bamboo over a concrete block, but the few I've heard in the videos sound like they have changed it. I'm pretty much a gameplay kinda guy, but those bat sounds had me cringing the last couple years.
Hear the last hit by Longoria, ending the trailer. It sounds like they still have that sound a bit, maybe for the bigger blasts. Not too good.
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I bet it will be. Think about it. The trailer is made particularly to show off the game, so.. sounds are included in that idea.
First, the subset of gamers that actually care about the differences in bat sounds is so small that it really doesn't even cross developers minds. Second, I fully expect that those kinds of sounds are embellished for ads.
Realistic sounding bats sound terrible in a game. Developers just want to produce a pop that sounds good to the ear, not mimic the real thing. It doesn't get "fixed" becasue what they hae has been fine for 99.9% of gamers for years.
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