MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

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  • burds13
    Rookie
    • Mar 2007
    • 67

    #61
    Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

    Cano's been a pretty poor defensive 2nd baseman since 2007, but he can definitely hit.

    He should definitely be top ten, though. I think it's pretty obvious that they weigh defense equally with offense.

    Zobrist is a ludicrously good defensive 2nd baseman. Like "best in the bigs" good.
    O's, Stroh's and Natty Boh's!!!

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    • Mr. Franchise
      WAT
      • Nov 2008
      • 2311

      #62
      Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

      Originally posted by Crash Davis
      Love no mention of Aaron Hill hes better than almost all these people, I bet Adam Lind gets snubbed in DH catagory,

      but theyre in east canada and the games made in SD what do u expect...
      Cano:
      09: 25 HR, 85 RBI, .320/.352/.540
      08: 14 HR, 72 RBI, .271/.305/.410
      07: 19 HR, 97 RBI, .306/.353/.488

      Zobrist:
      09: 27 HR, 91 RBI, .297/.405/.543
      08: 12 HR, 30 RBI, .253/.339/.505
      07: 1 HR, 9 RBI, .155/.184/.206

      Hill:
      09: 36 HR, 108 RBI, .286/.330/.499
      08: 2 HR, 20 RBI, .263/.324/.361
      07: 17 HR, 78 RBI, .291/.338/.459

      /thread
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      • burds13
        Rookie
        • Mar 2007
        • 67

        #63
        Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

        Aaron Hill 2009 OPS = .829 (who knew? I figured he'd be much higher)

        I would imagine that last year hurt him in the computer's rankings, but his power numbers fool you a bit. Defensively, he's meh.
        O's, Stroh's and Natty Boh's!!!

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        • burds13
          Rookie
          • Mar 2007
          • 67

          #64
          Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

          Originally posted by Mr. Franchise
          Cano:
          09: 25 HR, 85 RBI, .320/.352/.540
          08: 14 HR, 72 RBI, .271/.305/.410
          07: 19 HR, 97 RBI, .306/.353/.488

          Zobrist:
          09: 27 HR, 91 RBI, .297/.405/.543
          08: 12 HR, 30 RBI, .253/.339/.505
          07: 1 HR, 9 RBI, .155/.184/.206

          Hill:
          09: 36 HR, 108 RBI, .286/.330/.499
          08: 2 HR, 20 RBI, .263/.324/.361
          07: 17 HR, 78 RBI, .291/.338/.459

          /thread
          Defensively, it's

          Zobrist

          Hill








          Cano

          Again, obviously they really, really value defensive metrics.
          O's, Stroh's and Natty Boh's!!!

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          • BKBond007
            Banned
            • Feb 2010
            • 118

            #65
            Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

            Originally posted by Mr. Franchise
            So Zobrist and Hill do?....

            Are you being serious? Ok Zobrist is a Super Utility guy..someone that is pretty good at everything and he hit really well but as for Hill

            Hill has been in the league since 2005
            05 105 games 99 hits
            06 155 games 159 hits batting .291 in his second yr..
            07 160 games 177 hits .291 avg
            08 he had a concussion after 55 games
            09 158 games 195 hits .286 avg 35hrs 108 RBIs and I would say he's easily top 3 defensively in the AL for 2nd base...
            I think this guy may be alright..


            Im not saying Cano isnt a good hitter..he is and he has a lineup around that allows him to see good pitches..Hills numbers are a tad lower than Canos because Cano has had 101 more games 453 more PA which gave him 23 more HR and 191 more hits..so Cano does squeak by with hitting but Hill is a much better fielder

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            • a4reak
              Banned
              • Jul 2006
              • 1093

              #66
              Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

              Originally posted by Mr. Franchise
              Cano:
              09: 25 HR, 85 RBI, .320/.352/.540
              08: 14 HR, 72 RBI, .271/.305/.410
              07: 19 HR, 97 RBI, .306/.353/.488

              Zobrist:
              09: 27 HR, 91 RBI, .297/.405/.543
              08: 12 HR, 30 RBI, .253/.339/.505
              07: 1 HR, 9 RBI, .155/.184/.206

              Hill:
              09: 36 HR, 108 RBI, .286/.330/.499
              08: 2 HR, 20 RBI, .263/.324/.361
              07: 17 HR, 78 RBI, .291/.338/.459

              /thread
              I think your avatar best sums it up. Haters gonna hate. The guy is an obvious top 5 2B. People throw out random lies like he has no range and he is an mediocre defensive 2B? lol what a joke. Watch the games on a day to day basis then get back to me. The guy is a borderline gold glove 2B
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              • AInquisition
                Rookie
                • Dec 2008
                • 73

                #67
                Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

                Originally posted by Mr. Franchise
                Cano:
                09: 25 HR, 85 RBI, .320/.352/.540
                08: 14 HR, 72 RBI, .271/.305/.410
                07: 19 HR, 97 RBI, .306/.353/.488

                Zobrist:
                09: 27 HR, 91 RBI, .297/.405/.543
                08: 12 HR, 30 RBI, .253/.339/.505
                07: 1 HR, 9 RBI, .155/.184/.206

                Hill:
                09: 36 HR, 108 RBI, .286/.330/.499
                08: 2 HR, 20 RBI, .263/.324/.361
                07: 17 HR, 78 RBI, .291/.338/.459

                /thread
                I thought Hill had a higher OBP, so I'll give you Cano over him, but Zobrist is a beast.

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                • bigfnjoe96
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 11410

                  #68
                  Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                  So if Zobrist is such a great fielder why is his Fielding Ability 56? Obviously his rating was based on his Offensive #'s

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                  • ATLNYankee
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 116

                    #69
                    Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                    Cano is the better offensive player and hits 7th in the lineup. The only 2b in baseball that is better is Utley. The list fails on so many levels.

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                    • a4reak
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 1093

                      #70
                      Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

                      Originally posted by BKBond007
                      Im not saying Cano isnt a good hitter..he is and he has a lineup around that allows him to see good pitches..Hills numbers are a tad lower than Canos because Cano has had 101 more games 453 more PA which gave him 23 more HR and 191 more hits..so Cano does squeak by with hitting but Hill is a much better fielder
                      Can we please stop perpetuating a lie that Cano plays bad defense. The man was a gold glove candidate this year and has great range. His own manager felt he should have won it this year
                      "I look at Robbie and offensively he's had a great year," Girardi said after the Yankees' 3-0 victory against the Red Sox. "But I think he's had a Gold Glove second base year as well. The plays that he has made, whether it's been to his left or to his right, turning double plays, fly balls that he's caught down the line, Robbie's had a tremendous year."
                      Everyone is using the ******** UZR ratings which have Teixeira as an average 1b basemen defensively. This for a guy who is head and shoulders the best in the game. ANother quote from the same article
                      "I'm not sure how they figure that out," Girardi said last month, in response to UZR's evaluation of Mark Teixeira. "I don't know how you can compute range without doing a battery of tests. You're making assumptions on how hard a ball is hit, how fast an infield is. To me it's really a complicated thing to predict without necessarily watching someone every day and understanding how they go about their business, and how they do their job."
                      But what do you think?
                      I happen to believe in some of that, especially in what Girardi calls the value of seeing a player every day. I don't believe judgments can be made on players going strictly by stats, and that's probably most true when it comes to defense.

                      UZR has its flaws (see Teixeira, Mark), so much so that it takes about three season's worth of data to derive anything conclusive. But is it that flawed? Has Cano's improved defense really deceived my eyes -- and judging from your Tweets on Sunday -- many of yours?
                      http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/...es_second.html
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                      • Mr. Franchise
                        WAT
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 2311

                        #71
                        Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

                        And surprisingly Cano has more plate discipline than Hill, also Hill's power numbers are skewed due to the fact that he lead the league in at-bats.

                        Not trying to be a homer here, BUT COME ON.
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                        *there are considerable franchise upgrades
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                        • keymax
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 137

                          #72
                          Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                          Right never checked Hill's stats. Was fooled by his power numbers. His OPS is lower than Cano's. Thought it might be Yankee's Stadium but his OPS+ still was 12 points lower than Cano's. Defensively it's almost a wash between Hill and Cano with just a slight edge for Hill.
                          So for 2009:
                          Zobrist > Cano > Hill

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                          • BKBond007
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 118

                            #73
                            Re: MLB`10 The Show Top 5 Second Basemen

                            Originally posted by burds13
                            Aaron Hill 2009 OPS = .829 (who knew? I figured he'd be much higher)

                            I would imagine that last year hurt him in the computer's rankings, but his power numbers fool you a bit. Defensively, he's meh.

                            I can take that he's defensively meh if youve never seen him play on a constant basis..

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                            • BKBond007
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 118

                              #74
                              Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                              Originally posted by ATLNYankee
                              Cano is the better offensive player and hits 7th in the lineup. The only 2b in baseball that is better is Utley. The list fails on so many levels.
                              You do realize when you hit 7th in a line up you get better pitches to hit than if you were higher in the order..theyre not going to pitch around you in anyway hitting 7th

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                              • burds13
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 67

                                #75
                                Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                                Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                                So if Zobrist is such a great fielder why is his Fielding Ability 56?

                                Utley and Zobrist are beast defensive 2nd basemen... oh, and they're beast offensive 2nd basemen, too. In Zobrist's case, you're probably dealing with a smaller sample size b/c he only really has 1.5 years worth of data, and it's allllll good.

                                http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...ition=2B/SS/OF

                                http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...79&position=2B
                                O's, Stroh's and Natty Boh's!!!

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