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  • dickey1331
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    • Sep 2009
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    #106
    Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

    Uh for anyone saying Kinsler doesnt deserve to be 2nd obviously doesnt watch any Rangers games. Its good to see Kinsler finally getting some respect.
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    • ATLNYankee
      Banned
      • Feb 2010
      • 116

      #107
      Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

      Originally posted by dickey1331
      Uh for anyone saying Kinsler doesnt deserve to be 2nd obviously doesnt watch any Rangers games. Its good to see Kinsler finally getting some respect.

      .219 Batting Average with a sub .700 OPS outside of Texas. He is a product of the ballpark and nothing else.


      OVER RATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • dickey1331
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        • Sep 2009
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        #108
        Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

        Originally posted by ATLNYankee
        .219 Batting Average with a sub .700 OPS outside of Texas. He is a product of the ballpark and nothing else.


        OVER RATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

        LOL you obviously dont know your stats. Hes the Third 2nd basemen to ever have a 30/30 year and the only player in baseball to hit 30/30 in 2009. The past 3 years outside of the Ballpark he is hitting .246 and a .745 OPS. Im sorry that a baseball player plays better at home...actually he plays better at Yankee Stadium. Also in 2009 Sporting News ranked him #24 of the 50th greatest current players in baseball. I can go on but for someone to say hes overrated doesnt know baseball.
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        • Mr. Franchise
          WAT
          • Nov 2008
          • 2311

          #109
          Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

          My completely unbiased rankings:

          1. Utley
          2. Kinsler
          3. Pedroia
          4. Zobrist
          5. Cano
          6. Hill
          7. Roberts
          8. Hudson
          9. Beckham
          10. Lopez
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          • ParisB
            MVP
            • Jan 2010
            • 1699

            #110
            Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

            Originally posted by ATLNYankee
            .219 Batting Average with a sub .700 OPS outside of Texas. He is a product of the ballpark and nothing else.


            OVER RATED!!!!!!!!!!!!
            god forbid a guy being better at home....take a glance at home/road splits of all the Yankees players, i'm sure you will find some uneven splits

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            • bigfnjoe96
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 11410

              #111
              Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

              Originally posted by Knight165
              I ADORE these "top" threads.
              I was going to watch Shutter Island...but I think I'll just wait for the SS and 3B threads!

              M.K.
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              • keymax
                Rookie
                • Jul 2009
                • 137

                #112
                Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                Originally posted by Mr. Franchise
                My completely unbiased rankings:

                1. Utley
                2. Kinsler
                3. Pedroia
                4. Zobrist
                5. Cano
                6. Hill
                7. Roberts
                8. Hudson
                9. Beckham
                10. Lopez

                I'll try it myself:

                1.Utley

                no doubt about that one

                2. Pedroia

                2nd base still is a defensive position. Pedroia can hit a bit, too.

                3. Zobrist

                Monster 2009 he possibly won't be able to duplicate. I'm not sure he will play much 2nd base this coming season.

                4. Roberts

                Good OBP last three years, mediocre defense.But as consistent as it gets.

                5. Cano

                Very good 2009, horrible 2008 and good 2007.

                Would put him at 4, but his 2008 kills him.

                6.Hill

                Good power numbers, bad OBP and average defense.

                7. Kinsler

                His arlington numbers are great. Away he is godawful.

                8. Beckham

                His away splits are much better. There is no doubt to me he will hit better at home this year, because US Cellular field is a hitter's park.

                9.Hudson
                10. Jose Lopez

                They are behind quite a bit IMO. Hudson is the better hitter, Lopez the better defender, at least the last 3 years.

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                • ATLNYankee
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 116

                  #113
                  Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                  Originally posted by ParisB
                  god forbid a guy being better at home....take a glance at home/road splits of all the Yankees players, i'm sure you will find some uneven splits
                  Swisher

                  Home .226 8 HR's, 27 RBI's, .776 OPS
                  Away .268 21 HR's, 55 RBI's, .945 OPS

                  Jeter

                  Home .331, 13 HR, 40 RBI's, .908 OPS
                  Away .337, 5 HR, 26 RBI's, .836 OPS

                  AROD
                  Home .260, 18 HR, 40 RBI's, .929 OPS
                  Away .313, 12 HR, 60 RBI's, .938 OPS

                  Mark Tex
                  Home .312, 24, 71, 1.013
                  Away .272, 15, 51, .882

                  Cano
                  Home .338, 14, 47, .912
                  Away .303, 11, 38, .832



                  Wow, I do not see anybody drop down to a .219 Batting Average with a sub .700 OPS.

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                  • ATLNYankee
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 116

                    #114
                    Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                    Originally posted by dickey1331
                    LOL you obviously dont know your stats. Hes the Third 2nd basemen to ever have a 30/30 year and the only player in baseball to hit 30/30 in 2009. The past 3 years outside of the Ballpark he is hitting .246 and a .745 OPS. Im sorry that a baseball player plays better at home...actually he plays better at Yankee Stadium. Also in 2009 Sporting News ranked him #24 of the 50th greatest current players in baseball. I can go on but for someone to say hes overrated doesnt know baseball.

                    He is OVER RATED. I am sorry that you cannot accept it. .246 and .745 for someone on the road is pure crap. Especially when people like to talk that he is the second best 2b in baseball. Let me know when Ian gets a hit outside of Rangers Ballpark. Maybe then we can talk but until then I will be waiting.

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                    • dickey1331
                      Everyday is Faceurary!
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 14285

                      #115
                      Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                      Originally posted by ATLNYankee
                      He is OVER RATED. I am sorry that you cannot accept it. .246 and .745 for someone on the road is pure crap. Especially when people like to talk that he is the second best 2b in baseball. Let me know when Ian gets a hit outside of Rangers Ballpark. Maybe then we can talk but until then I will be waiting.
                      Im sure you know alot more about baseball than SCEA and Sporting News. To look at who is the best 2nd basemen you cant just look at batting average and OPS. Please there are more than 2 statistics then that in baseball.
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                      • BKBond007
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 118

                        #116
                        Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                        I like how selective people are with stats..Hill has a career .337 OBP and Cano..has a career .339 not a big difference

                        Hill has a career at 2B +6.9 UZR/150 cano -5.2

                        since Cano didnt have a good 08 we'll use 07 and 09 for HR ands RBIS

                        hill 53 HR 186RBI cano..44 HR 182 RBI with 08

                        (these are the last 3 yrs totals..hill only played 55 games, cano played a full season

                        Hill 55 HR 206RBI
                        Cano had a total of 58 HR and 254 RBI for those 3 years)


                        Cano is a better hitter but the other numbers out weigh Cano's

                        Hills OBP for last year was still better than Phillips and Kinsler..who made the list

                        Hills AVG was better than Roberts Hudson Utley Phillips and Kinsler all on the list

                        Lead 2b in HR and RBI

                        Hill deserves to be there..Cano probably deserves to be in the top 10..which he might be...I dont understand why people have to put down one player to make there player look better. There are a lot of good/great 2nd basemen in the AL east

                        (I'll be doing a blog starting on thursday with team by team predictions, including Team Record/Starter Records/Team batting/Player batting..might rank the top 5 of each position too just because this is so fun..ugh)
                        Last edited by BKBond007; 02-23-2010, 09:03 AM.

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                        • ATLNYankee
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 116

                          #117
                          Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                          I am not being selective with stats. Hill had a pretty good 2009, an ok 2007 and has done nothing else since coming up in 2005. Cano has been above average to great every year since 2005. 2008 was a letdown for Canoo but still a better season than 7 out of the top 9 of the "top" 2b.

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                          • a4reak
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 1093

                            #118
                            Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                            Originally posted by BKBond007
                            Hill deserves to be there..Cano probably deserves to be in the top 10..which he might be...I dont understand why people have to put down one player to make there player look better. There are a lot of good/great 2nd basemen in the AL east
                            Top 10? Try top 5
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                            • BKBond007
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 118

                              #119
                              Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                              I can see he should be somewhere within the top 10

                              Cano
                              (stats are over the last 3 years this not me trying to say he isnt good or deserving, just stop knocking other players to make your point)

                              Avg 4th
                              H 2nd
                              HR 5th
                              RBI 4th
                              OBP 13th
                              OPS 6th
                              UZR/150 9th
                              Errors 3rd

                              The only thing he does well is hit. thats not the only thing baseball players do.

                              Hell make Cano first on the list Yankee fans will be happy..too many people have the Ricky Bobby syndrome..if their guy isnt first..he must be last..there probably isnt much difference between 4-9. Hill sucks I can live with it...lol
                              Last edited by BKBond007; 02-23-2010, 10:31 AM.

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                              • GEORGE LUZ
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 25

                                #120
                                Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Second Baseman

                                I've been reading these forums for a while, decided to make an account.
                                Couple things:
                                -Ian Kinsler is not overrated - he was the only player last year to be a member of the 30/30 club.
                                -I don't understand how Dustin Pedroia is only a 79-74 on contact when he's a career .307 hitter. He batted .296 last year and .326 in 2008 - his contact should be way higher.

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