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  • albsur2003
    Rookie
    • Jun 2003
    • 213

    #16
    Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

    Originally posted by Rashidi
    You are aware David Wright had a terrible season, right?
    Yeah, it's ONE season. Before that, he averaged 30 HR for the past 3 years I believe. It seems like these guys took they're ratings based off of ONE season. That's a problem. But the ratings are OK. Some of them stood out as crazy to me through.

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    • Real2KInsider
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      • Dec 2003
      • 4658

      #17
      Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

      Originally posted by albsur2003
      Yeah, it's ONE season. Before that, he averaged 30 HR for the past 3 years I believe. It seems like these guys took they're ratings based off of ONE season. That's a problem. But the ratings are OK. Some of them stood out as crazy to me through.
      That one season is still the best projector of how a player will perform going forward.

      Wright is still 89 overall and a top 5 third baseman even with the power drop. If his power returns, the rating gets updated. It's pretty simple.

      Last season he was 96 overall and tied with A-Rod for best 3B in the game. there is simply no way he deserves that coming off the year he did.
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      • Kane182
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        • Sep 2003
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        #18
        Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

        Originally posted by Rashidi
        That one season is still the best projector of how a player will perform going forward.
        The best projector would be using 3-year season averages.
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        • Real2KInsider
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          • Dec 2003
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          #19
          Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

          Originally posted by Kane182
          The best projector would be using 3-year season averages.
          Great idea! That way the entire Mets team can be overrated instead of accurately sucky.

          David Wright had 618 plate appearances, and he was healthy for the fast majority of them. Don't make excuses.
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          • Kane182
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            • Sep 2003
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            #20
            Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

            Originally posted by Rashidi
            Great idea! That way the entire Mets team can be overrated instead of accurately sucky.

            David Wright had 618 plate appearances, and he was healthy for the fast majority of them. Don't make excuses.
            I'm not making excuses and I didn't even say his rating was wrong. I'm saying to more accurately portray ratings they should be based on 3-year averages if applicable.

            By your theory if Wright was injured all of last season he would have no ratings.
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            • psymin1
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              • Dec 2007
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              #21
              I'll be interested to see if once you put Damon on the Tigers if their hitting OVR doesn't go up, if even a bit. Seems a bit low now...but pretty close.
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              • Real2KInsider
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                • Dec 2003
                • 4658

                #22
                Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                All we have to do is look to the Mets and see why 3 year averages don't work

                Angel Pagan
                2007: 745 OPS
                2008: 720 OPS
                2009: 837 OPS

                Jeff Francoeur
                2007: 782 OPS
                2008: 653 OPS
                2009 Braves: 634 OPS
                2009 Mets: 836 OPS

                You would be crying if these players were rated below their 2009 production. The good has to be taken with the bad. Three years is a VERY long time, and frankly there isn't much relation between a player's 2007 production and what his 2010 production will be.
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                • Real2KInsider
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                  • Dec 2003
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                  #23
                  Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                  Originally posted by Kane182
                  I'm not making excuses and I didn't even say his rating was wrong. I'm saying to more accurately portray ratings they should be based on 3-year averages if applicable.

                  How does 3 years make it "more accurate" praytell? 3 year averages pad the ratings of declining veterans and deflate the ratings of rising stars.

                  By your theory if Wright was injured all of last season he would have no ratings.
                  Fortunately I'm not an idiot, and would use the previous season's stats.
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                  • Kane182
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                    • Sep 2003
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                    #24
                    Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                    No I think that perfectly demonstrates why averages would work. Chances are those two players OPS will not be as high next season and they probably won't be as low as the 2 prior seasons.

                    I'm not a big ratings guy anymore. I have better things to do then debate why someone is a 70 power overall when they should be a 60 ovr. It really doesn't make much of a difference in the long run.
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                    • Real2KInsider
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                      • Dec 2003
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                      #25
                      Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                      Originally posted by Kane182
                      No I think that perfectly demonstrates why averages would work. Chances are those two players OPS will not be as high next season and they probably won't be as low as the 2 prior seasons.
                      They could just as easily IMPROVE on last season's production.

                      You do not seem to have a high grasp on the relationship between stats and ability. Players can regress, stay the same, or improve. Pagan and Francouer are not old enough to be regressing - they are still improving their abilities. It is far more likely that they stay the same or improve than it is that they regress.

                      Angel Pagan showed he is an adequate starting outfielder (at worst a 4th outfielder) last season. Why would his days as a 5th outfielder/AAA player matter?

                      25 year old Angel Pagan struck out in 20% of his PAs.
                      26 year old Angel Pagan struck out in 17% of his PAs.
                      27 year old Angel Pagan struck out in 15% of his PAs.

                      Do you seriously think 25 year old Pagan's production matters just as much to 28 year old Pagan as his 27 year old production? It is OBVIOUS that his skills have improved over the last 3 years which is why 3 year averages would not be doing him justice.
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                      • Kane182
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                        • Sep 2003
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                        #26
                        Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                        Originally posted by Rashidi
                        They could just as easily IMPROVE on last season's production.

                        You do not seem to have a high grasp on the relationship between stats and ability. Players can regress, stay the same, or improve. Pagan and Francouer are not old enough to be regressing - they are still improving their abilities. It is far more likely that they stay the same or improve than it is that they regress.

                        Angel Pagan showed he is an adequate starting outfielder (at worst a 4th outfielder) last season. Why would his days as a 5th outfielder/AAA player matter?

                        25 year old Angel Pagan struck out in 20% of his PAs.
                        26 year old Angel Pagan struck out in 17% of his PAs.
                        27 year old Angel Pagan struck out in 15% of his PAs.

                        Do you seriously think 25 year old Pagan's production matters just as much to 28 year old Pagan as his 27 year old production? It is OBVIOUS that his skills have improved over the last 3 years which is why 3 year averages would not be doing him justice.
                        Brady Anderson hit 50 HRs in 1996. He had 18 in 1997 and 16 in 1995. If the upcoming season were 1997 and it had not happened yet I would not adjust his power so that he would absolutely hit 50 again. I would probably adjust it so he would hit 25 - 30.

                        That is an extreme example, but 3-year averages work. Ask any of the roster makers for the High Heat series or the OOTP series.
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                        • notasenator
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                          • Feb 2009
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                          #27
                          Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                          Originally posted by Kane182
                          Brady Anderson hit 50 HRs in 1996. He had 18 in 1997 and 16 in 1995. If the upcoming season were 1997 and it had not happened yet I would not adjust his power so that he would absolutely hit 50 again. I would probably adjust it so he would hit 25 - 30.

                          That is an extreme example, but 3-year averages work. Ask any of the roster makers for the High Heat series or the OOTP series.
                          I don't think these games should be programmed to account for a season of aggressive steroid use.

                          By the way, do we know if all of the stat categories are the same this year as they were last year?

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                          • Kane182
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                            • Sep 2003
                            • 690

                            #28
                            Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                            Originally posted by notasenator
                            I don't think these games should be programmed to account for a season of aggressive steroid use.
                            Agreed, although it's never been proven.

                            My point is when all is said and done Wrights' power rating should not be reflective of his 2009 season only. It would not be all that unreasonable that he hits 20 - 25 HRs this upcoming season.

                            Maybe a 3-year average isn't the best solution, but neither is using the prior season ONLY. IMO

                            Also, if the game has a decent progression/regression model that would help adjusting up and coming talent and declining vets.
                            Last edited by Kane182; 02-24-2010, 10:47 PM.
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                            • topgundie
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                              • Feb 2009
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                              #29
                              Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                              Randy Wells is 72?! Are you kidding me?! he should AT LEAST be a 78!

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                              • duke776
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                                • Nov 2006
                                • 3044

                                #30
                                Re: Major League Baseball 2K10 Screenshots: Player Ratings

                                Originally posted by topgundie
                                Randy Wells is 72?! Are you kidding me?! he should AT LEAST be a 78!
                                ......he is a 78. Gorzelanny is a 72, you looked at his overall instead of Wells'.

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