MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

**JoeRyan33** · 02-26-2010, 03:28 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Well, he couldn't be playing the 2K demo on PS3.

**miamimarlins1** · 02-26-2010, 07:34 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by Woodweaver

Why is the the book _A Confederacy of Dunces_ coming to mind here?

With all these crack pot theories and uniformed diatribes about the inner workings and motivations of a corporation that I'm 100% that no one here really knows a single thing about (and not to mentioned the occasional troll foreign and otherwise), this thread has got to be in the top 10 dumbest of all time.

And for some reason, I can't stop reading!

I noticed that there are no posts from the mods. They tried to save us from ourselves, but some demanded a forum to rant about this BS. They must just be sitting back and laughing. At least it is all contained within a single thread.

I love when people try to condescend because they blindly defend a company to no ends. Why is it such a farfetched idea to think that a billion dollar company, like Sony has used unethical practices to give themselves an edge of their competitors. So it's all a coincidence that for the first time in years we don't a show demo, yet Best Buy gets to display the game, sounds like great cross-marketing to me. And on top of everything, the 2K demo can't be released either. So these events are just coincidence that somehow helps SONY market their in-house product better than their competitors. Talk about a Confederacy of Dunces, how about the people who blindly support a company and don't believe that all that company cares about is their wallet. Yeah you're right, it's all a misunderstanding and SONY really feels bad that you can't play the other game and you have to go to Best Buy to see their game in action. Yeah, the conspiracy theorists are the idiots

**countryboy** · 02-26-2010, 07:57 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by miamimarlins1

I love when people try to condescend because they blindly defend a company to no ends. Why is it such a farfetched idea to think that a billion dollar company, like Sony has used unethical practices to give themselves an edge of their competitors. So it's all a coincidence that for the first time in years we don't a show demo, yet Best Buy gets to display the game, sounds like great cross-marketing to me. And on top of everything, the 2K demo can't be released either. So these events are just coincidence that somehow helps SONY market their in-house product better than their competitors. Talk about a Confederacy of Dunces, how about the people who blindly support a company and don't believe that all that company cares about is their wallet. Yeah you're right, it's all a misunderstanding and SONY really feels bad that you can't play the other game and you have to go to Best Buy to see their game in action. Yeah, the conspiracy theorists are the idiots

You said it not me.

Here's what we know:

*Demo was completed on/around 2/19 according to Jason Villa and submitted to Sony's PSN department for approval and uploading

*Demo was later than normal as they were trying to get the demo to be as close to the final build as possible(various sources including CD attendees)

*Demo will be available on the PSN (various sites..demo is coming)

*Best Buy has an exclusive deal where they are displaying the full game at select locations (Sony blog)

Thats what we know. Anything outside of that is just a "phantom idea"/theory.

And I love the tone that if you don't buy into or disagree with the "theories" then you are blindly defending the company which, is being touted as wrong. But yet, blindly creating fiction is ok.

At the end of the day these why's and what for's are pointless because:

a) a demo will be available for those who want to try out before they purchase can

b) the game will be released on Tuesday for those who know they want the game to buy.

Nothing else, really matters......does it?

**Knight165** · 02-26-2010, 08:14 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by miamimarlins1

I love when people try to condescend because they blindly defend a company to no ends. Why is it such a farfetched idea to think that a billion dollar company, like Sony has used unethical practices to give themselves an edge of their competitors. So it's all a coincidence that for the first time in years we don't a show demo, yet Best Buy gets to display the game, sounds like great cross-marketing to me. And on top of everything, the 2K demo can't be released either. So these events are just coincidence that somehow helps SONY market their in-house product better than their competitors. Talk about a Confederacy of Dunces, how about the people who blindly support a company and don't believe that all that company cares about is their wallet. Yeah you're right, it's all a misunderstanding and SONY really feels bad that you can't play the other game and you have to go to Best Buy to see their game in action. Yeah, the conspiracy theorists are the idiots

You know what....I ignored this the first time you stated it.
But you're the one who is condescending......and rude when you state that guys who defend SCEA do so "blindly"
As much as you say people who criticize "any little thing" get attacked...so do the guys who try and show the other side...that it might not be the biggest mountain of a problem...and you're one of the biggest offenders.
I love how guys want their right to speak to bitch and moan...but if anyone tells them they are doing so...they should keep it to themselves or be accused of "following blindly".
The hypocrisy is pretty funny.
Bitch and moan all you want...but I'll be the first to call you out on it when you do so when I think it's warranted.(anyone...not you in particular)

M.K.
Knight165

**Alliball** · 02-26-2010, 08:20 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by miamimarlins1

I love when people try to condescend because they blindly defend a company to no ends. Why is it such a farfetched idea to think that a billion dollar company, like Sony has used unethical practices to give themselves an edge of their competitors. So it's all a coincidence that for the first time in years we don't a show demo, yet Best Buy gets to display the game, sounds like great cross-marketing to me. And on top of everything, the 2K demo can't be released either. So these events are just coincidence that somehow helps SONY market their in-house product better than their competitors. Talk about a Confederacy of Dunces, how about the people who blindly support a company and don't believe that all that company cares about is their wallet. Yeah you're right, it's all a misunderstanding and SONY really feels bad that you can't play the other game and you have to go to Best Buy to see their game in action. Yeah, the conspiracy theorists are the idiots

So now Sony is being unethical?

This is getting funny.

**miamimarlins1** · 02-26-2010, 08:21 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by countryboy

You said it not me.

Here's what we know:

*Demo was completed on/around 2/19 according to Jason Villa and submitted to Sony's PSN department for approval and uploading

*Demo was later than normal as they were trying to get the demo to be as close to the final build as possible(various sources including CD attendees)

*Demo will be available on the PSN (various sites..demo is coming)

*Best Buy has an exclusive deal where they are displaying the full game at select locations (Sony blog)

Thats what we know. Anything outside of that is just a "phantom idea"/theory.

And I love the tone that if you don't buy into or disagree with the "theories" then you are blindly defending the company which, is being touted as wrong. But yet, blindly creating fiction is ok.

At the end of the day these why's and what for's are pointless because:

a) a demo will be available for those who want to try out before they purchase can

b) the game will be released on Tuesday for those who know they want the game to buy.

Nothing else, really matters......does it?

I'm not saying there is any truth to the theories, but to condescend people because they don't believe everything that a billion dollar company tells them, is wrong. The skeptics voices have as much merit as the SCEA brown-nosers

**Alliball** · 02-26-2010, 08:30 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by miamimarlins1

I'm not saying there is any truth to the theories, but to condescend people because they don't believe everything that a billion dollar company tells them, is wrong. The skeptics voices have as much merit as the SCEA brown-nosers

This is getting tired. We get it, you have an agenda.

**countryboy** · 02-26-2010, 08:36 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by miamimarlins1

I'm not saying there is any truth to the theories, but to condescend people because they don't believe everything that a billion dollar company tells them, is wrong. The skeptics voices have as much merit as the SCEA brown-nosers

You know what..I'm not even going to go into this with you, because honestly, I believe that is what you want, is for someone to go back and forth with you in a pissing contest. So, I'm going to forfeit the match and therefore you win.

**miamimarlins1** · 02-26-2010, 08:54 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by Knight165

You know what....I ignored this the first time you stated it.
But you're the one who is condescending......and rude when you state that guys who defend SCEA do so "blindly"
As much as you say people who criticize "any little thing" get attacked...so do the guys who try and show the other side...that it might not be the biggest mountain of a problem...and you're one of the biggest offenders.
I love how guys want their right to speak to bitch and moan...but if anyone tells them they are doing so...they should keep it to themselves or be accused of "following blindly".
The hypocrisy is pretty funny.
Bitch and moan all you want...but I'll be the first to call you out on it when you do so when I think it's warranted.(anyone...not you in particular)

M.K.
Knight165

First, my post was in response to the poster that called anyone that questioned the reasons behind the demo delays "idiots". That's what got under my skin. Are the theories right? I don't know, but I do know is there is a very gray area here. I think BOTH sides have legitimate reasons to argue their sides. I've been a supporter of this franchise since '06, but when something like this happens, I question it, and that's my right. As it is your right to defend Sony and get others to see the other side of it. But when people come on here and mock those that question and call them idiots I have a problem with that

**Knight165** · 02-26-2010, 08:56 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by miamimarlins1

First, my post was in response to the poster that called anyone that questioned the reasons behind the demo delays "idiots". That's what got under my skin. Are the theories right? I don't know, but I do know is there is a very gray area here. I think BOTH sides have legitimate reasons to argue their sides. I've been a supporter of this franchise since '06, but when something like this happens, I question it, and that's my right. As it is your right to defend Sony and get others to see the other side of it. But when people come on here and mock those that question and call them idiots I have a problem with that

Is that not THEIR right?....and what you just posted...is NOT what I have the problem with.

M.K.
Knight165

**miamimarlins1** · 02-26-2010, 09:04 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by Knight165

Is that not THEIR right?....and what you just posted...is NOT what I have the problem with.

M.K.
Knight165

Agreed, it is THEIR right, but as a consumer I'm pissed off. Just like I was pissed off at many other companies when I felt wronged. This argument is getting nowhere, we agree to disagree, and that's that. Tuesday is a couple of days away, and I'll be getting the Show and I'll happy again. Bottom-line is the whole event, whether it was accidental or not, has left me a little sour, like many others that wanted to play at least one baseball demo this weekend

**ltw0303cavs** · 02-26-2010, 09:19 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Wow, this Demo thing is a bigger deal than i thought. Personally for me a demo for the Show is just window dressing. If you have a PS3 and like baseball, you are getting the Show regardless, and on top of that I dont think demos really give you a true feel of the game. I need to play the full game. I have played every Madden demo that has come out and it made no difference. I read the review, read the message boards and boom. I understand people being weary of these big companies and taking all of our money and giving back nothing (ie Infinity Ward) but to me SCEA gives back..a lot. I have been in the Show community for a long time. Country Boy, Knight, Jim, Psycho, Razer etc are not SCEA's "boys" they just love the game and when you love something your loyal to it, its just normal. Lets just look forward to Tuesday !

**miamimarlins1** · 02-26-2010, 09:27 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Originally posted by ltw0303cavs

Wow, this Demo thing is a bigger deal than i thought. Personally for me a demo for the Show is just window dressing. If you have a PS3 and like baseball, you are getting the Show regardless, and on top of that I dont think demos really give you a true feel of the game. I need to play the full game. I have played every Madden demo that has come out and it made no difference. I read the review, read the message boards and boom. I understand people being weary of these big companies and taking all of our money and giving back nothing (ie Infinity Ward) but to me SCEA gives back..a lot. I have been in the Show community for a long time. Country Boy, Knight, Jim, Psycho, Razer etc are not SCEA's "boys" they just love the game and when you love something your loyal to it, its just normal. Lets just look forward to Tuesday !

Well said. If I offended anyone, I apologize, I was angry about some comments made by some people and took the low road. Case closed, argument over

**ltw0303cavs** · 02-26-2010, 09:42 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

Beside Miami, you have one of the best pitchers in the league (JJ) one of the best players (Hanley), a stud kid in your minors (Stanton) and a new retractable roof stadium that will be in the Show 2012. What do you have to be upset about

, but i hear you brother ! Hopefully the new unis in 2012 make the MLB style guide correctly lol

**SoxFan01605** · 02-26-2010, 09:54 PM

Re: MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

I've stayed away from this, but I have an honest question..

I keep seeing people say they've been wronged, cheated, lied to, etc. My question is how? I don't recall seeing anything promised by a certain date. I'm just curious where the feelings of betrayal/underhandedness come from.

The rest of this is bound to get long and I don't normally feel compelled to go into all this stuff, but...

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I would also like to point out (and given the length of this thread, this is probably redundant) that people are not required to purchase it on release day. Meaning that if you are on the fence where a demo might change your mind, the game isn't going anywhere while you wait to make a purchase decision.

If you are not on the fence and fully plan on buying the game anyway, then I'm sorry, but your constant complaining about this "issue" comes off very much like a false sense of entitlement and/or childish "NOW!" demands.

I understand it's frustrating for some people to not have a demo pre-release. I also understand that some may not have the trust in Sony as a business and may suspect something more underhanded is in the works. Heck, I could even understand if the people who DO believe something is up are turned off for various reasons. While I personally disagree, I certainly respect the opinion of others.

I would only say that it doesn't help anyone's case when they just spout of insults, accusations, and misinformation simply because they're upset. Say your piece, articulate your point, and either move on or discuss it rationally. This really shouldn't be too much to ask.

In fact, this could really apply to negative posts across the board. People claim they feel stifled or don't have a voice if they have something negative to say. The truth is though, most of the ones who complain of this resort to irrational complaints and accusations rather than simply supporting their claim(s). Maybe some people are hypersensitive and defensive to critique. I think some are also hypersensitive to explanation or reasoning as well. Should we always reduce things to the lowest common denominator (regardless of which side of the fence they fall)?

A lot of people have gotten turned off of this forum for reasons that can be tied to threads just like this. People get far too emotional about this stuff. I have clearly not been here as long as others, but I joined for this very forum. People just discussed the game, the developers popped in to answer questions, it was great. Now it's really no better than the Madden forums with the way people act.

Sorry for the lecturing tone if it comes off that way and sorry for the length. I promise I'm done now.

MLB '10: The Show Demo Has Been Submitted, Waiting on Sony, Not SCEA

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