Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

[BoSoxPujols]

Is that lame lineup glitch/issue back where 3 and 4 hitter are batting 2nd and sometimes leadoff?

I'm tired of seeing Todd Helton and Matt Holiday batting 2nd.

[Derek2Jeter]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

Is that lame lineup glitch/issue back where 3 and 4 hitter are batting 2nd and sometimes leadoff?

I'm tired of seeing Todd Helton and Matt Holiday batting 2nd.

That's not a glitch. It has been discussed. The CPU looks at their stats. Listen. We all know that Helton doesn't bat leadoff and that is instilled in our brains, as well as must having a speedster leading off.

OBP is more important than a potential stolen base. If my leadoff man got on base at a clip of 500, but couldnt steal a base i could care less.

Having said that, someone of their decisions are kind of funny, but i haven't seen anything too outrageous like Pujols leading off. If you really don't like it, just change it for every team. It doesn't take that long

[Sacrafice]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I would prefer the .500 OBP guy to bat 2nd behind that speedster. Slim chance to break the DP and or advance him to 3rd and still have that guy on 1st with 1 out before your #3 & #4 come to the plate.


Yeah though, Seen a dynasty report where Helton was batting 2nd so it's still there, but like the 2nd guy said it's not a glitch, just the way the game reads the stats which is better than guys never getting moved around for anything.

[Jdurg]

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That's not a glitch. It has been discussed. The CPU looks at their stats. Listen. We all know that Helton doesn't bat leadoff and that is instilled in our brains, as well as must having a speedster leading off.

OBP is more important than a potential stolen base. If my leadoff man got on base at a clip of 500, but couldnt steal a base i could care less.

Having said that, someone of their decisions are kind of funny, but i haven't seen anything too outrageous like Pujols leading off. If you really don't like it, just change it for every team. It doesn't take that long

Good post! You saved me a lot of typing!

People need to remember that the AI doesn't see names. It sees a bunch of digits which identify each player in the game. You have two options with player lineups in this game;

1): Player lineups are hard-coded just like real life with all the NAMES that you know in the proper place. Since the lineups are based upon player names and not stats, if a player is injured the replacement player will go directly into that person's place whether they belong there or not. So if your speedy centerfielder was leading off and got injured, your power hitting backup would take his place in the lineup even though he is nothing like a leadoff hitter. This is because the lineups were set based upon player's names and not their stats. By the time you are five or six years into your franchise/RttS, nothing will look proper since players were put in the lineup based upon the names that you are familiar with.

2): Player lineups are based upon the player stats. The initial lineups are done based upon the real-life setup that we all know and love, but if a player is injured or replaced on a CPU controlled team the AI will re-do the lineup based upon the player stats. While this might not align properly with what we know of from real life, it will prevent us from seeing sluggers leading off and speedsters batting cleanup. In addition, when you're well into your franchises or RttS careers, the lineups will be just like what a real baseball lineup should be and you'll be fine with it because none of the real-life names will cloud your judgement.

I don't know about you, but I am happy with the fact that SCEA went with option #2.

[budsticky]

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I just hope they don't stack three or four lefty batters right in a row in the lineup like they seemed to do pretty regularly in 09. I understand you prefer lefties against a right handed starter, but no manager in the major leagues would stack their lineup that way. It makes it too easy to match up against with the bullpen later in the game.

[Derek2Jeter]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

Good post! You saved me a lot of typing!

People need to remember that the AI doesn't see names. It sees a bunch of digits which identify each player in the game. You have two options with player lineups in this game;

1): Player lineups are hard-coded just like real life with all the NAMES that you know in the proper place. Since the lineups are based upon player names and not stats, if a player is injured the replacement player will go directly into that person's place whether they belong there or not. So if your speedy centerfielder was leading off and got injured, your power hitting backup would take his place in the lineup even though he is nothing like a leadoff hitter. This is because the lineups were set based upon player's names and not their stats. By the time you are five or six years into your franchise/RttS, nothing will look proper since players were put in the lineup based upon the names that you are familiar with.

2): Player lineups are based upon the player stats. The initial lineups are done based upon the real-life setup that we all know and love, but if a player is injured or replaced on a CPU controlled team the AI will re-do the lineup based upon the player stats. While this might not align properly with what we know of from real life, it will prevent us from seeing sluggers leading off and speedsters batting cleanup. In addition, when you're well into your franchises or RttS careers, the lineups will be just like what a real baseball lineup should be and you'll be fine with it because none of the real-life names will cloud your judgement.

I don't know about you, but I am happy with the fact that SCEA went with option #2.

Haha you wrote all that, and I still saved you typing? Who knows how much you would have typed. GO YANKEES

[Knight165]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

If you guys set lineups...they should stick.
...at least until the CPU has to make a move for one reason or another.

M.K.
Knight165

[Derek2Jeter]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I just hope they don't stack three or four lefty batters right in a row in the lineup like they seemed to do pretty regularly in 09. I understand you prefer lefties against a right handed starter, but no manager in the major leagues would stack their lineup that way. It makes it too easy to match up against with the bullpen later in the game.

some teams don't have a choice. some teams have all their best players batting on one side of the plate

[rts5002]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I just hope they don't stack three or four lefty batters right in a row in the lineup like they seemed to do pretty regularly in 09. I understand you prefer lefties against a right handed starter, but no manager in the major leagues would stack their lineup that way. It makes it too easy to match up against with the bullpen later in the game.

Charlie Manuel did this with the Phills for the first half of last season, batted Utley, Howard, and Ibanez back-to-back-to-back. trust me, i understand the importance of breaking up hitters in the lineup (and so did charlie in the second half of last year) but if there isn't a viable right-hander to put in between the lefties, then sometimes it's smarter to leave the lefties together. Thank God for the Phills Jayson Werth stepped up as a righty to break up some of those lefties

[greenngold01]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I understand that the CPU doesn't look at Todd Heltons name and say "oh it's Todd Helton he doesn't lead off"

BUT

A player with a high power rating shouldn't be batting first, period, unless the team has Helton, Pujols, A-Rod, Adrian Gonzalez, Teixiera, Hamilton, Manny, and Prince on it.

If a player loses power with age thats one thing, however I highly doubt a player who hit for power throughout his career would end up a great leadoff hitter. Speed is usually another factor in leading off, and there aren't many fast old players out there.

All this being said, I hardly ever complain about the CPUs decisions about lineups and depths charts. Me not agreeing with them mimicks real life, I'm always shouting about things managers do that I think is dumb. Thats baseball. However, power hitters don't lead off. I suppose the exceptions could be Hanley Ramirez, Alfonso Soriano, and (maybe) Jose Reyes, however these guys can run like wild and applying speed early in the ballgame can be devastating.

Having your number one RBI power guy bat first is just as out of place and having him bat seventh. It just doesn't make sense.

EDIT: I also appreciate the option to edit the CPUs rosters, however having to change them everytime something went wrong (injury, trade, whatever) seems too time consuming.

Random question though, if one of my AAA guys goes down with an injury and I tell the game to "Auto-Fix" will that change my MLB lineups at all? It used to for MVP and it drove me CRAZY. I'm so accustomed to not using AutoFix that I never tried it in the Show but it would be so usefull because while I definately love having lineups and realtime stats for the minors, I don't want to sit there and create lineups for every league

[Knight165]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I understand that the CPU doesn't look at Todd Heltons name and say "oh it's Todd Helton he doesn't lead off"

BUT

A player with a high power rating shouldn't be batting first, period, unless the team has Helton, Pujols, A-Rod, Adrian Gonzalez, Teixiera, Hamilton, Manny, and Prince on it.

If a player loses power with age thats one thing, however I highly doubt a player who hit for power throughout his career would end up a great leadoff hitter. Speed is usually another factor in leading off, and there aren't many fast old players out there.

All this being said, I hardly ever complain about the CPUs decisions about lineups and depths charts. Me not agreeing with them mimicks real life, I'm always shouting about things managers do that I think is dumb. Thats baseball. However, power hitters don't lead off. I suppose the exceptions could be Hanley Ramirez, Alfonso Soriano, and (maybe) Jose Reyes, however these guys can run like wild and applying speed early in the ballgame can be devastating.

Having your number one RBI power guy bat first is just as out of place and having him bat seventh. It just doesn't make sense.

Helton hasn't hit 20 homers in 5 years. FIVE...SCEA does not consider him a power guy. Neither should you.

Jose Reyes has as many homers his last 3 full seasons as Helton(I prorated 2008 for him and gave him 14 for '08)....and you yourself questioned him(Reyes) as being a power lead off guy.

Plus...put Helton where you want this year...he should stay there!

M.K.
Knight165

[SeerMagicX]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I see a thread like this every year for about 8 years now. and every year I make the same suggestion. Why not give each player a tendency rating for each spot in the linup they are most likely to bat?
like pujols would be 100% at the 3rd spot, helton split between 3rd or 4th. that way the cpu would have an idea were to bad them instead of just pure ratings.

[Fetrey]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I see a thread like this every year for about 8 years now. and every year I make the same suggestion. Why not give each player a tendency rating for each spot in the linup they are most likely to bat?
like pujols would be 100% at the 3rd spot, helton split between 3rd or 4th. that way the cpu would have an idea were to bad them instead of just pure ratings.

that's a brilliant idea. We should be able to edit it to reflect changes in real life. (like if a guy who has hitting2nd in the beginning of the season is now hitting 6th)

[n8rockerasu]

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Plus...put Helton where you want this year...he should stay there!

Yeah, wasn't this the bigger issue last year? I couldn't care less if the CPU isn't capable of mimicking a real life batting order, but if I turn CPU roster control on and set the lineups myself, they better damn well stick. Just having a fix that isn't a complete pain (ala 09) is the important thing.

[rts5002]

Re: Franchise Lineup Glitch/Issue Back?

I understand that the CPU doesn't look at Todd Heltons name and say "oh it's Todd Helton he doesn't lead off"

BUT

A player with a high power rating shouldn't be batting first, period, unless the team has Helton, Pujols, A-Rod, Adrian Gonzalez, Teixiera, Hamilton, Manny, and Prince on it.

If a player loses power with age thats one thing, however I highly doubt a player who hit for power throughout his career would end up a great leadoff hitter. Speed is usually another factor in leading off, and there aren't many fast old players out there.

All this being said, I hardly ever complain about the CPUs decisions about lineups and depths charts. Me not agreeing with them mimicks real life, I'm always shouting about things managers do that I think is dumb. Thats baseball. However, power hitters don't lead off. I suppose the exceptions could be Hanley Ramirez, Alfonso Soriano, and (maybe) Jose Reyes, however these guys can run like wild and applying speed early in the ballgame can be devastating.

Having your number one RBI power guy bat first is just as out of place and having him bat seventh. It just doesn't make sense.

EDIT: I also appreciate the option to edit the CPUs rosters, however having to change them everytime something went wrong (injury, trade, whatever) seems too time consuming.

Random question though, if one of my AAA guys goes down with an injury and I tell the game to "Auto-Fix" will that change my MLB lineups at all? It used to for MVP and it drove me CRAZY. I'm so accustomed to not using AutoFix that I never tried it in the Show but it would be so usefull because while I definately love having lineups and realtime stats for the minors, I don't want to sit there and create lineups for every league

yeah, but you're team would have 5 guys playing 1st base!!!

in all seriousness though, the only way the MLB roster is affected with auto-fix is if an MLB injury occurs. so in your scenario, where there is an injury to a AAA player, using auto-fix would not affect your MLB lineup or roster. that used to always drive me nuts in MVP too, occasionally i'd accidentaly hit the auto fix then have to spend 5 minutes fixing my 4 lineups.