Backbreaker Hands-On Impressions (Joystiq)

[duncan54matt]

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Well, even if they are anti-Madden, they should be for a good reason. Madden NFL games are horrible at best, in my opinion. I'm being honest, not sarcastic. This should be the Madden NFL killer, but it won't be, especially since NFL gamer fans are brainwashed by EA Sports. Backbreaker deservers respect and a fair chance. I finally broke free from EA's grasp this year.

Yea me to I am done with EA there games just dont deliver.

[creed200569]

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Do you people not see how arcady this games looks, it looks like a joke with every player having fake abs through there jersey? i mean come on.

The players all look the same at each position. It looks like blitz the League.

If you want sim, the closest thing is Madden, and it has gotten a lot better.

I cant wait for everyone to be Disappointed and come on here a cry about it.

LMAO. Madden is NOT sim and never has been on next gen and at this rate they never will be. As for BB,those are NOT abs,those are part of the uniform. The players clearly do NOT look the same,you can tell the difference in sizes with the players,just open your eyes. Oh and I cant wait until I see all the Maddenites talk about how crappy Madden 11 is.

[randombrother]

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the game has nice animations but im still not sold on a bunch of non-americans being able to replicate the complexities that makes american professional football what it is.

just because a tackle looks nice doesnt mean jack s**t if the football sucks.

There's no reason why they can't make a great game. First off football is CLOSE enough to rugby so it's not like they have no concept of what football is and the NFL was there for quite a while. Look at baseball. Japan, Cuba, DR and other countries are producing more baseball players than we are and that's supposed to be a red, white and blue blooded sport, more so than football. I don't know many developers who have actually fought Locust or dragons yet Gears of War and Final Fantasy games seem to have no problem selling.

There maybe politics but I just know how Joystiq tried to stick it to Madden 10 with non-sense in their "preview" then turn around and go extra positive with Backbreaker when NO ELSE seems to be so jovial in their previews of Backbreaker.

I'm not seeing this "ultra-positive" that you're talking about. They seem to be cautiously optimistic. They said"While I came away from my demo amazed by what Backbreaker has to offer, I acknowledge that it'll take a lot more playtime to fully grasp how deep the gameplay is. It may look pretty, but does it offer the depth that football fans have come to expect?". I wouldn't exactly call that glowing.

Now whatever they piled on Madden was probably well deserved. EA talked all this garbage about studying NFL 2K5 and from what I've seen the only thing they took away from the game was close-up of the crowds in cutscenes. Funny thing is the demo seemed to play better than the actual game and that wasn't saying much.

If you want sim, the closest thing is Madden, and it has gotten a lot better.

I cant wait for everyone to be Disappointed and come on here a cry about it.

You're half right. Madden 11 will come out. A bunch of people will post how great it is and how they are selling/trading in this and that to get it only a few weeks later to come to these forums crying about how disappointed they are in Madden 11 and want back in with Backbreaker

[CreatineKasey]

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LMAO. Madden is NOT sim and never has been on next gen and at this rate they never will be. As for BB,those are NOT abs,those are part of the uniform. The players clearly do NOT look the same,you can tell the difference in sizes with the players,just open your eyes. Oh and I cant wait until I see all the Maddenites talk about how crappy Madden 11 is.

Really dude... don't tell people what to think please. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. These are merely opinions.

Your sentence should be rephrased: "I don't think M10 is a SIM football game".

Let's talk about BB and what positives it can bring to our football gaming. Honestly guys, some of this is getting unreadable with the seething hate for EA. This should be a positive BB forum excited for the game, not a "hate on EA" forum. It's not enjoyable and drives many fans of gaming away.

[roadman]

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Really dude... don't tell people what to think please. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. These are merely opinions.

Your sentence should be rephrased: "I don't think M10 is a SIM football game".

Let's talk about BB and what positives it can bring to our football gaming. Honestly guys, some of this is getting unreadable with the seething hate for EA. This should be a positive BB forum excited for the game, not a "hate on EA" forum. It's not enjoyable and drives many fans of gaming away.

That's has been exactly as I felt browsing this forum. Some people it appears(not everyone) feel the need to cram their opinion onto others who are just voicing their opinions or concerns.

People should be able to come into this forum and feel welcomed that their opinion or concerns are being heard, not ridiculed on the return volley.

[turftickler]

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Really dude... don't tell people what to think please. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. These are merely opinions.

Your sentence should be rephrased: "I don't think M10 is a SIM football game".

Let's talk about BB and what positives it can bring to our football gaming. Honestly guys, some of this is getting unreadable with the seething hate for EA. This should be a positive BB forum excited for the game, not a "hate on EA" forum. It's not enjoyable and drives many fans of gaming away.

I agree and I have been part of the Madden NFL bashing myself. Even though it does have due reasons to be hated or bashed, we still need to be mature about it. Madden NFL 11 and Backbreaker will be to totally different games. Both will have faults.

Anyway, the level of gameplay that BB will deliver will be what many of us have wanted for years. The cheese plays will be at an all-time low. The repeatable sack glitch, INT glitches, fumble glitches, player ghosting, and many more things will not be seen in BB, but it will have some minor issues. My hope is that the online play will be smooth on both PS3 and 360. Also, I hope that they have some sort of system in place for the "connection drop glitchers". And I hope they have a player rating system similar to APF 2k8 so we can stay away from cheesers

[Matt Diesel]

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The fact that this game has a true physics engine already makes it more 'sim' than madden. That is, if they are implemented correctly.

Football is a highly random and chaotic event and you cannot truly simulate it using a model with pre-determined or restricted outcomes. If everyone falls only 3 certain ways, runs the exact same way, or bodies that react to a force only 10 certain ways, its not a simulation.

The bells and whistles may not match up but that does not mean the actual game of football in BB doesnt play like an actual game of football.


I have no idea if BB is any good or will suck, but at least it has the right focus/foundation for the chaotic, unscripted outcomes of real football.

[turftickler]

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The fact that this game has a true physics engine already makes it more 'sim' than madden. That is, if they are implemented correctly.

Football is a highly random and chaotic event and you cannot truly simulate it using a model with pre-determined or restricted outcomes. If everyone falls only 3 certain ways, runs the exact same way, or bodies that react to a force only 10 certain ways, its not a simulation.

The bells and whistles may not match up but that does not mean the actual game of football in BB doesnt play like an actual game of football.


I have no idea if BB is any good or will suck, but at least it has the right focus/foundation for the chaotic, unscripted outcomes of real football.

Great post!!!

[CreatineKasey]

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The fact that this game has a true physics engine already makes it more 'sim' than madden. That is, if they are implemented correctly.

Football is a highly random and chaotic event and you cannot truly simulate it using a model with pre-determined or restricted outcomes. If everyone falls only 3 certain ways, runs the exact same way, or bodies that react to a force only 10 certain ways, its not a simulation.

The bells and whistles may not match up but that does not mean the actual game of football in BB doesnt play like an actual game of football.


I have no idea if BB is any good or will suck, but at least it has the right focus/foundation for the chaotic, unscripted outcomes of real football.

I completely agree with the chaotic perspective. You'd think that real rules of physics will cut out a great amount of the possible exploits available.

The other half of exploits will come from AI. In my opinion, that will be a truly great challenge for the BB crew. Getting pass and run block logic correct will be paramount to their success. Just like many games of the past, think of a defensive player running around pre-snap to screw with the OL and essentially "gaming the game" with consistent broken outcomes. This is where BB needs to shine and eliminate that risk.

Given the pre-snap options on defense, I'll be interested to see how much freedom we exactly get and what that means to how we play defense. They claim to focus on being "on the field" so I wonder if they intend on taking away some of the "God mode" pre-snap manipulations that football games have had for decades now. I'm talking about defensive hot routes, slanting DL on the fly... things of that nature.

Even so, there will be at least 1 user controlled player capable of mucking things up so hopefully they are aware of that and can put together some solid AI. Imagine how devastating an A gap blitz going through untouched consistently would be in BB without all the tools to stop it that other games present (slide protection, blocking hot routes). It's important they strike a balance there.

Can't wait to see more pre-snap options and playcalling screens! At least we saw they have modern plays in so there should be a fair variety of football plays to choose from and possibly create with hotroutes.

We shouldn't have to worry about player warping and ridiculous leaps without proper gathering of weight, or unrealistic turning around that all canned games had at least some of in the past. In this game, it looks like we will truly earn our big hits. That will be fun to do!

[Bellsprout]

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Not having the NFL license may help it in the long run. Imagine the possibilities. Players getting suspended for off the field issues, politics, and alot of other things that the NFL has opposed could make it in this game and make it deeper than Madden, if done correctly.

How'd that work out for Blitz: The League?

[hatisback]

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How'd that work out for Blitz: The League?

Just because it didnt work out for Blitz, doesnt mean it wont work out for this game. We are talking about two entirely different styles of gameplay. Gameplay is the first thing it comes down to in a sports game.

EDIT: Didnt know where to post this, but I just found this in my new Game Informer.

"The chief investment office of Becker Capital Management-which holds around a million shares of Electronic Arts stock-said in a Business Week article that the credibility of EA's management is "non existent right now." Under EA CEO John Riccitiello's watch, EA's stock price has dropped 68% over 11 consecutive quarters."

[kjcheezhead]

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Just because it didnt work out for Blitz, doesnt mean it wont work out for this game. We are talking about two entirely different styles of gameplay. Gameplay is the first thing it comes down to in a sports game.

EDIT: Didnt know where to post this, but I just found this in my new Game Informer.

"The chief investment office of Becker Capital Management-which holds around a million shares of Electronic Arts stock-said in a Business Week article that the credibility of EA's management is "non existent right now." Under EA CEO John Riccitiello's watch, EA's stock price has dropped 68% over 11 consecutive quarters."

No offense, but that probably should have been posted in one of the forums involving an EA game. Interesting news tho.

[hatisback]

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No offense, but that probably should have been posted in one of the forums involving an EA game. Interesting news tho.

Maybe people are just wising up and realizing that games that have the exclusive licenses are not necessarily better than non licensed games. Maybe people are wising up that gameplay is more important over bells and whistles.

[TracerBullet]

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Maybe people are just wising up and realizing that games that have the exclusive licenses are not necessarily better than non licensed games. Maybe people are wising up that gameplay is more important over bells and whistles.

That has to do with more than just Madden though. Poor sells of mirrors edge and tings like that contribute as well and more than likely this year will be better for EA than the previous ones. Anywho this is the Backbreaker thread and there's no real reason to discuss this here.

[turftickler]

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I'm all about gameplay so I think I will be in for a big treat. I am also a fan of good graphics as well. I love to see all the new changes in technology every 5 years. Can't wait to see what BB will look like on my projector screen in 720p/1080p.