I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

[Droopy03]

Out of anything that I have heard I have never heard EA talk about the effect of a 3-4 defense and reallyjust let us know there listening. Can we please here anything on the 3-4 defense??? At least let us know that your are hearing us.

We need double team blocks by offensive lineman, new depth chart design for a 3-4 defense, DE/OLB positional players in the draft. My whole point is there needs to be a change and it needs to happen this year. The 3-4 defense is so big of a part of football and how teams draft. The whole front seven you look for different type of players.

I want it to feel different when I am playing with a Demarcus ware which is a OLB in a 3-4 defense compared to Lance briggs which is a OLB in a 4-3 defense.

click on the link to get more a explation of what I would like to see:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...4-defense.html

Please let us know something!!!!

[icomb1ne]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

EA probably thinks that if they fix and improve line-play overall, it will in turn improve how the 3-4 works as well. Killing two birds with one stone. Unfortunately, they can't do either.

[Droopy03]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

EA probably thinks that if they fix and improve line-play overall, it will in turn improve how the 3-4 works as well. Killing two birds with one stone. Unfortunately, they can't do either.

Could we at leaset get a different depth chart settings? MLB in a 3-4 defense really have differnet attributes as far as what makes a player a strong side lineback and a weak side linebacker....

[Valdarez]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

I watched a show on ESPN, sorry, can't remember what it was called as I was just channel surfing at the time. They had a break down of the 3-4 defense in today's game, basically citing that it's little more than a trimmed down 4-3 with the LB basically blitzing or playing dedicated run coverage on nearly every play.

In offline play, I honestly couldn't tell a difference in 3-4 / 4-3 play in Madden, though I would suspect that the 3-4 would give you an advantage in the pass game with one extra defender with little lost in the running game due to the way that Madden plays run coverage.

[DJS3300]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

Both defenses are messed up in Madden, linebackers just drop back a few feet into coverage and stand there doing nothing till someone catches the ball. No line play what so ever, defense in Madden is poorley done, hopefully the team steps it up this year.

I dont think the guys on the EA Sports Madden team have a high knowledge of football, they are big fans but knowledge wise they are not there yet. I am happy that they have brought a few college stars onto the designing roster.

[jWILL253]

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^^^ So, a studio that produces an annual NFL game doesn't know anything about pro football, but yet WE, not the people who add in plays and formations at the studio, but WE know more than them.

If it weren't totally false, it would be ironic...

[BezO]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

Even if they didn't know, I'm sure enough of us here have enlightened them.

The problem is not with the 3-4 itself. It's the blocking interaction. RARELY seen double teams, lack of contain AI and the lack of engaged player mobility kills defense, period. But it's worse for the 3-4 as the lack of double team blocks negates superior NGs, which is one of the keys to the 3-4.

As Madden fans say, maybe next year.

[DJS3300]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

^^^ So, a studio that produces an annual NFL game doesn't know anything about pro football, but yet WE, not the people who add in plays and formations at the studio, but WE know more than them.

If it weren't totally false, it would be ironic...

I am not trying to argue but I believe you are the one who is completely false. How advanced is Madden compared to another sports game such as MLB The Show 10?

I know the Show and Madden are two completely different games but really lets be honest, Madden 10 had nothing along the lines of gameplay that made me go "Wow this game can be a huge step in the right direction to realistic NFL gaming".

There is nothing too interesting or groundbreaking that we havent seen before. All of OS realized a couple days before launch that Pro-Tak isnt the type of technology Ian preached it to be in his blogs.

[jWILL253]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

What does any of that have to do with them not having "high knowledge of football"? Not only is it wrong, it's a baseless insult. Just because Madden 10 has some issues (some of wich have been waaaaaaay overplayed), we don't know what happened in the devs' studio to make it like that.

[btemp]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

Even if they didn't know, I'm sure enough of us here have enlightened them.

The problem is not with the 3-4 itself. It's the blocking interaction. RARELY seen double teams, lack of contain AI and the lack of engaged player mobility kills defense, period. But it's worse for the 3-4 as the lack of double team blocks negates superior NGs, which is one of the keys to the 3-4.

As Madden fans say, maybe next year.

+1. It does go beyond that though: size is irrelevant, any player can play DE/DT and have no trouble as long as their pass rush moves are good. Try moving a fast corner with good moves to DE, its ridiculous!

[CreatineKasey]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

Even if they didn't know, I'm sure enough of us here have enlightened them.

The problem is not with the 3-4 itself. It's the blocking interaction. RARELY seen double teams, lack of contain AI and the lack of engaged player mobility kills defense, period. But it's worse for the 3-4 as the lack of double team blocks negates superior NGs, which is one of the keys to the 3-4.

As Madden fans say, maybe next year.

Yep. It's not the actual 3-4 plays, it's how the game handles interactions and actually works at the core. We could cite dozens of situations where a real result can't be expected because of this or that mechanic missing in the game. It's light years from where it was just 2 years ago, though.

[seriousluboy83]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

Both defenses are messed up in Madden, linebackers just drop back a few feet into coverage and stand there doing nothing till someone catches the ball. No line play what so ever, defense in Madden is poorley done, hopefully the team steps it up this year.

I dont think the guys on the EA Sports Madden team have a high knowledge of football, they are big fans but knowledge wise they are not there yet. I am happy that they have brought a few college stars onto the designing roster.

plain and simple...every defense is a copy and nobody can generate a pass rush without setting it up (show blitz/nano)...either way it goes we're floating ****'s creek...both defenses are wack 4-3 and 3-4...hopefully they can improve on both with M11...core gameplay is the main issue tho

[dmick4324]

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I just want to build a dominant defense damnit!! I want to model my D around the Jets and have consistent pressure from BOTH sides not just the LE. And I want my OLBs to get sacks without it feeling fake or that I cheated.

[jvaccaro]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

weight needs to have its own rating, and the blocking in the trenches still needs a lot of work, before the 3-4 can really be represented. then a true 3-4 personnel with generally bigger DE's and a monster NT can get the credit they deserve.

currently in m10, you can take any decent OLB and they're instantly a 95+ OVR defensive stud at the end, and will consistanly stuff the run-game as if they were Vince Wilfork.

compared to the 4-3, the 3-4 should force a double team or two from the OL, creating some gaps for a LB to rush. whether or not the 'correct' LB is blitzing, or if a back is there to chip him, will largley determine how quickly the QB has to get rid of the ball.

weight, size and strength are equally as important as technique (RBS/RBF/PBS/PBF) but unfotunately, two of those three former ratings do not exist.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...r-ratings.html

I think adding a weight rating, and factoring size into linemans' ratings is the first step towards helping the 3-4 be shown like it is the NFL right now.

[Droopy03]

Re: I'm starting to think that EA doesn't care about the 3-4 defense

I think it could start with positional ratings A MLB is just not a MLB in a 3-4 defense and both MLB have different attributes that make them different. Strong side MLB is better in the running game and is usualy the bigger MLB, The weak side MLB is the one who can run sideline to sideline and is the more quicker MLB and he is the one that is 9-10 times not getting block because those bog guys are takeiing on double teams so often. I just really wish they would just focus on the defensive strategy side of the ball. As somebody stated before I feel that the whole point of a 3-4 is to cause confuse the oppenent. You have 4 LB'S and you pre snap for the offense is to try to identify who is coming which makes it a chess game which would make it a lot better game to me instead of who is better than who and would win what battle. It is a team game as well.