CHdaughterHOF/ALLSTAR Slider Set 2010

**Marino** · 04-08-2010, 08:52 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

So, when you speak about the Left Stick, do you use it, sometimes, all the time or not at all?

And this is pretty much where I need to be because pitching on All-Star is a little to easy for me.

**coreyhartsdaughter** · 04-08-2010, 08:57 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by Marino

So, when you speak about the Left Stick, do you use it, sometimes, all the time or not at all?

And this is pretty much where I need to be because pitching on All-Star is a little to easy for me.

No, never.

**xNobleEaglex** · 04-08-2010, 09:52 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

excellent. I enjoyed your slider set last year, so I'm looking forward to giving yours a shot again this year. I seem to be getting too many hits (averaging like 12-13 hits per game on offense) on all the other slider sets I've tried, so I'm hoping yours will be evenly balanced for me!

**coreyhartsdaughter** · 04-08-2010, 10:04 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by pope300hitter05

excellent. I enjoyed your slider set last year, so I'm looking forward to giving yours a shot again this year. I seem to be getting too many hits (averaging like 12-13 hits per game on offense) on all the other slider sets I've tried, so I'm hoping yours will be evenly balanced for me!

Right on!

Looking forward to the feedback bad or good.

**michaeldu** · 04-08-2010, 10:22 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

with hitting on all star and pitching on hof, are those settings just for the user or is it for the user and the cpu?

**coreyhartsdaughter** · 04-08-2010, 10:32 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by michaeldu

with hitting on all star and pitching on hof, are those settings just for the user or is it for the user and the cpu?

The setting represent the USERS level. As I understand it, hitting as All Star means the USER hitting level is effectively All Star (CPU pitching is All Star).

HOF Pitching means the CPU Hitting is HOF.

**pberardi** · 04-09-2010, 09:45 AM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by coreyhartsdaughter

Here's my crack at 2010 sliders. Last year I made what I felt to be a very strong set built exclusively for HOF. What I've tried to do here is parallel that feel, user ability, and competitiveness.

Unfortunately, as discussed on another thread, the developers this year have rendered the USER HOF hitting level rather awkward and unbalanced without extensive use of the left stick. Due to this, I've built the set using All Star hitting to mirror the results and ball physics I found last year. (As an aside, it's interesting the game lacks a 'left stick influence slider')

Fortunately, this years game's engine already affords better hit variety, trajectory and physics.

Without further ado: (version 1 as of 4/8, updates to most certainly come)

Hitting Difficulty: All-Star
Pitching Difficulty: Hall of Fame

USER

Contact: 1
Power: 6
Timing: 4
Fouls: 6
Solid Hits: 0
Starter Stamina: 5
Reliever Stamina: 3
Pitcher Control: 5
Pitcher Consistency: 6

CPU

Contact: 3
Power: 6
Timing: 4
Fouls: 6
Solid Hits: 0
Starter Stamina: 5
Reliever Stamina: 3
Pitcher Control: 4
Pitcher Consistency: 7
Strike Frequency: 3
Manager Hook: 5
Pickoffs: 3

GLOBAL

Pitch Speed: 4
Fielding Errors: 6
Throwing Errors: 7
Fielder Run Speed: 1
Fielder Reaction: 10
Fielder Arm Strength: 5
Baserunner Speed: 5
Baserunner Steal Ability: 5
Baserunner Steal Frequency: 5
Wind: 4
Injury Frequency: 5

Ironically, even though I essentially started from scratch (for the most part) their seems to be a general consensus on how some sliders should be modified, and a rather large conflict on others.

As a point of reference, I aim for as a realistic results over the long term. e.g. I wouldn't mind of I had a ERA of 6.00 50 games into a season if I knew why.

Pitch Interface: Meter
Guess Pitch: Off
Baserunning Control: Classic
Auto Baserunning: Assist
Batting View: Catcher
Pitching View: Catcher
Swing Influence: ON
Pitch Confidence: ON
Fielding Assist: Assist
Auto Throwing: OFF
Auto Sliding: Assist
Pitch Callout: Full
Pitching Ball Marker: Fade
Plate Coverage Indicator: OFF
Swing/Pitch Indicator: ON
Runner Windows: ON
Strike Zone: OFF
Hot Zones: OFF
Tag Up Indicator: ON
Catch Region Indicator: ON
Catch Position Indicator: ON
Rob HR Indicator: ON
Vibration: ON
Warm Up Pitchers: OFF
API: Default

A brief explanation on power at 6:

Every MLB is capable of hitting a homerun or have gapping extra base hits. From Jeff Suppan to Craig Counsell. One of the most thrilling feelings is a solo shot with a pitcher, (for or against) or a triple with your #8 hitter.

I'd assume the initial reaction would be that HR numbers would increase exponentially, but (as with last year) with the contact so low (and no solid hits slider) the % probability of HR actually diminishes, unless your somehow squaring everything up.

In which case your going to see a good blend of extra base hits, flyouts, and HR's; rather than the assumed inflated HR count. Or your too damed good for my sliders.

Input, rather good or bad is appreciated. If these are totally lame, let me know; but at least tell me why. Many of the explanations (as well as some other users great views) in how I view sliders can be found in last years extensive thread:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...lider-set.html

I will run with these. My only debatable issue is why is everyone zeroing out solid hits slider?

I'm constantly battling the cpu with 2-2 counts and therefore to avoid the dreaded strikeout, I have to hit the cpu's pitch which leads to a ton of weak hits with solid hits at two or three. On HOF, I had it at default and couldn't even conceive of lowering it. Is Allstar that blatant when it comes to solid hits?

**Jgainsey** · 04-09-2010, 09:52 AM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Thanks for posting CHD.

Your sliders from last year worked almost perfectly for me all year. Though I do like to use the left stick on a pretty regular basis, so I think I'm going to leave my hitting difficulty at HOF for now. I'll let ya know how they're working for me once I get finish up a series or two with 'em.

**coreyhartsdaughter** · 04-09-2010, 01:01 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by pberardi

I will run with these. My only debatable issue is why is everyone zeroing out solid hits slider?

I'm constantly battling the cpu with 2-2 counts and therefore to avoid the dreaded strikeout, I have to hit the cpu's pitch which leads to a ton of weak hits with solid hits at two or three. On HOF, I had it at default and couldn't even conceive of lowering it. Is Allstar that blatant when it comes to solid hits?

Agreed.

I have been tinkering with solid hits at 1 and 2, but the problem I've seen are the seeing eye singles (that should be outs) and awkward doubles to the wall (I have yet to see a frozen rope in real life so straight it stays 2 feet off the ground for 300 feet.)

I've attempted to counter your point regarding constant contact on pitchers counts by increasing the fouls slider (this may end up being 7), although I feel this may jeopardize hits down the lines.

Play a couple games and let me know how it 'feels'. (as an aside, I don't know who started the play 20 games and then comment idea, standard deviation aside, if you've played the game enough, you can pretty much feel how a slider change is impacting a game almost immediately)

**coreyhartsdaughter** · 04-09-2010, 01:02 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by getinthevan87

Thanks for posting CHD.

Your sliders from last year worked almost perfectly for me all year. Though I do like to use the left stick on a pretty regular basis, so I think I'm going to leave my hitting difficulty at HOF for now. I'll let ya know how they're working for me once I get finish up a series or two with 'em.

You may want to bump the contact to 3 then. This is probably the only change I'd suggest.

**Jgainsey** · 04-09-2010, 05:02 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by coreyhartsdaughter

You may want to bump the contact to 3 then. This is probably the only change I'd suggest.

Funny you mention that.. I played a few games earlier today, and that was the exact change I made.

**coreyhartsdaughter** · 04-11-2010, 05:21 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Making some significant changes.

I feel the the pitching is spot on for both the CPU and HUM, so I'm focusing on the hitting and fielding.

After hitting about 200 balls today in 'the cages', and playing a handful of games, I'm changing solid hits to 2 for HUM, 1 for CPU.

I'm also changing the relationship between fielder speed and reaction. The jump that the 3rd basemen and CF get is simply unrealistic at 10. Moreover, the fielding ratings almost become moot. Gold glove center fielders or corner infielders react the same as historically poor outfielders.

Many of the slider sets worry about 'cheap' infield ground balls, but from what I've seen either a ball was going to get through, or it wasn't. Maxing out the fielder speed worked last year do the the poor hit variety and physics, but this year great strides have been made to remedy.

Furthermore, the weird huge final step animation that OF's get when tracking a fly ball needs to be compensated by slowing their initial reaction.

**TripleThreat1973** · 04-11-2010, 07:27 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

The thing is .... some of those routine grounders DO get through in MLB ... and when a guy is having one of *those* breakout/outlier years in regards to average, you can almost always look at BABIP, and there's the reason ... he's getting those "ground balls with eyes" to go for hits. Likewise when a guy is having a "down" year, and other stats are similar, it's often the case that he's just hitting the ball right at guys.

Bull Durham wasn't too far off when they stated one 'cheapie' hit a week is the difference between .300 and .250

As a former pitcher (NCAA) and current pitching coach (HS), I can state that those grounders do get through on occassion, even at MLB. What doesn;t happen is all of the diving stabs made by average to below average players.

Guys that should be defensive liabilities are often just as spectacular as the guys that should be outstanding.

**coreyhartsdaughter** · 04-11-2010, 08:18 PM

Re: CHdaughter**HOF/ALLSTAR** Slider Set 2010

Originally posted by TripleThreat1973

The thing is .... some of those routine grounders DO get through in MLB ... and when a guy is having one of *those* breakout/outlier years in regards to average, you can almost always look at BABIP, and there's the reason ... he's getting those "ground balls with eyes" to go for hits. Likewise when a guy is having a "down" year, and other stats are similar, it's often the case that he's just hitting the ball right at guys.

Bull Durham wasn't too far off when they stated one 'cheapie' hit a week is the difference between .300 and .250

As a former pitcher (NCAA) and current pitching coach (HS), I can state that those grounders do get through on occassion, even at MLB. What doesn;t happen is all of the diving stabs made by average to below average players.

Guys that should be defensive liabilities are often just as spectacular as the guys that should be outstanding.

Very well spoken. This is exactly what I'm trying to accomplish.

I feel that many of the current slider sets are taking a awkward approach to controlling hits, and in doing so are taking the focus away from how the fielders play/react to the ball.

Last year their was a nice little reach and (half a$@ jump) animation for balls over outfielders heads (let's call it the Soriano animation). I haven't seen it once this year. What I have seen is a weird skip framed lunge on deep fly balls (that should be over their heads).

Moreover, the middle infielders should be unable to reach many of those balls up the middle. The focus (from a slider standpoint) shouldn't be stopping those balls after they're hit, but increasing the hit variation entirely.

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