Backbreaker Hands-On Preview (Gameinformer)

[CreatineKasey]

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The first time i knew this game was going to be trouble is when i heard the dev diaries and all the dues were brits. Its like, come on now. lol ITs like the US making a game of cricket. It just doesnt sound right.

I lost hype as soon as i seen the awful camera angles and the every throw is a throw off the back foot.

Game is going to flop hardcore, just like every other non NFL football game. Even if it was a good game, it would have still flopped. NFL logo is just to powerful.

Keep in mind this guy is a huge 2k football fan. He, like I, is rooting big time for other games to flood the market. Just because we have strong concern doesn't mean we have some "agenda" like the BB crew loves to claim.

Nice seeing you over here at OS, KC! If you get this game on release day, let me know what you think. I actually trust your opinion. I won't be buying it on release day unless I love the demo or something drastic changes. For me, it's less about the camera angles and more about the back foot perfect throws and AI issues. That's the kind of stuff that I just can't handle.

I'm looking forward to the demo, though. At the very least it'll be nice seeing the tackle engine go to work on my HDTV.

[JayBee74]

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If you get this game on release day, let me know what you think. I actually trust your opinion.

I just want to know what about his post makes you think he's getting it on release day?

[kjcheezhead]

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The first time i knew this game was going to be trouble is when i heard the dev diaries and all the dues were brits. Its like, come on now. lol ITs like the US making a game of cricket. It just doesnt sound right.

I lost hype as soon as i seen the awful camera angles and the every throw is a throw off the back foot.

Game is going to flop hardcore, just like every other non NFL football game. Even if it was a good game, it would have still flopped. NFL logo is just to powerful.

So brits computer guys can't develop a good video game? I posted before, Ian Cummings is a soccer fan first and I doubt he or Josh Looman ever played organized football. Developers bring in experts for these things.

The throw off the back foot was done with a user controlled player and all ratings maxed out. I've seen Brett Favre do it a thousand tmes in real life, so it's not impossibe for the best in the game to make that throw.

As far as the camera angles and controls. It's new and different, should be a nice change of pace. As you said, if it was good game, but like Madden/2k, it would flop because of no NFL.

Maybe people prejudge cuz its a small video game compay with a small dev team who have never made a sports game. I think that gives people plenty of reasons to question if this game will suck or not.

So you prejudge the game without playing based on it having a small development team? I agree it's a reason to have concerns about the game, but to prejudge and pass on the game at this stage based off that??
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[mgoblue678]

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I really don't think people should be writing the game completely off just based on one preview which is what alot of people seem to be doing in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I am pretty concerned about some of the things that were brought up in the preview, but we still have to remember this is one person's opinion and all the past previews and hands one from other people before this one seemed to be generally positive. We still have no idea if some of the issues mentioned in the preview could be alleviated on a higher difficulty settings either.

Not to mention like I said before in this thread, I flat out disagree that a couple of negatives in the preview were actually negatives at least to me. The running movement being similar to All-Pro 2k8 is a positive to me, the momentum and inability to stop and turn on the dime seemed much more realistic in that game.

And can people just stop with whole "I knew this game was going to suck because these guys aren't American" crap. How are they any less qualified than an American team if that American team never played organized or higher level football before? In both cases their experience with game of football is still just watching it is as fan.

[Gort77]

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Not to mention like I said before in this thread, I flat out disagree that a couple of negatives in the preview were actually negatives at least to me. The running movement being similar to All-Pro 2k8 is a positive to me, the momentum and inability to stop and turn on the dime seemed much more realistic in that game.

I have never played APF2k8, but i did play ESPN2k5, and thought it was one of the best football games at the time. One thing we do know is the reviewer did list Madden10 as one of his favorite game. Now im not saying we should ignore everything he said because he likes madden, but for me since i am not a huge fan of madden i do not see his personal commentary on the game to be a big factor in how i feel about the game.

[gr18]

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I have never played APF2k8, but i did play ESPN2k5, and thought it was one of the best football games at the time. One thing we do know is the reviewer did list Madden10 as one of his favorite game. Now im not saying we should ignore everything he said because he likes madden, but for me since i am not a huge fan of madden i do not see his personal commentary on the game to be a big factor in how i feel about the game.

Unfortunately 2k5 still IS and likely still WILL BE the best football game around.

[Dudd]

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So brits computer guys can't develop a good video game? I posted before, Ian Cummings is a soccer fan first and I doubt he or Josh Looman ever played organized football.

Damning with faint praise, I do believe. On the other hand, the NHL series, my favorite current sports series, has a former NHL player as a producer and the face of their dev team. A small enough sample size that it's pretty much meaningless, sure, but all else being equal, I'd feel a lot more confident in a game that is made by people who have a deep understanding of the game, which is a lot easier to get if you've spent thousands of hours watching and playing the sport. If the guys at NM have done this, great, I'm positive that you can watch and play football over there, it's just not as likely.

[JayBee74]

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Damning with faint praise, I do believe. On the other hand, the NHL series, my favorite current sports series, has a former NHL player as a producer and the face of their dev team. A small enough sample size that it's pretty much meaningless, sure, but all else being equal, I'd feel a lot more confident in a game that is made by people who have a deep understanding of the game, which is a lot easier to get if you've spent thousands of hours watching and playing the sport. If the guys at NM have done this, great, I'm positive that you can watch and play football over there, it's just not as likely.

Football must be the most complicated and intricate thing in the universe.

[TracerBullet]

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If anyone is till wondering why Matt chose to play Arcade mode here is what he said to me on the game informer website.

Hey Black Mamba,
When Natural Motion and 505 agreed to the hands-on preview, they explicitly told us that we could only play the game in Arcade mode, as they are "still working on the options for Pro mode." So that's what we did. Hope that clears things up for you,
Matt

Black Mamba205 is my screename btw.

[Afrikan]

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If anyone is till wondering why Matt chose to play Arcade mode here is what he said to me on the game informer website.

Hey Black Mamba,
When Natural Motion and 505 agreed to the hands-on preview, they explicitly told us that we could only play the game in Arcade mode, as they are "still working on the options for Pro mode." So that's what we did. Hope that clears things up for you,
Matt

Black Mamba205 is my screename btw.

hmmm "options for the Pro Mode".....I don't know why but that sounds like a good thing...it seems like they still maybe be trying to add new stuff. Well at least until they are ready to send out their preview build to the gaming media.

Lately we have looked at Pro Mode as just Arcade mode but with the color indicators off....and that the difficulty setting might be the real source of the balancing the game......but the way they are making it sound Pro Mode is a big deal to them and might involve more than we previously thought.

I hope this might involve fatigue and injury......but I doubt the injury part.

[moylan1234]

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the previewer probably could have just told us that in the article instead of making sound like he did have a choice.

[JayBee74]

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If anyone is till wondering why Matt chose to play Arcade mode here is what he said to me on the game informer website.

Hey Black Mamba,
When Natural Motion and 505 agreed to the hands-on preview, they explicitly told us that we could only play the game in Arcade mode, as they are "still working on the options for Pro mode." So that's what we did. Hope that clears things up for you,
Matt

Black Mamba205 is my screename btw.

Well, it was a lousy preview. The fact he had to be asked about why he played it in Arcade mode and still no mention of the difficulty level he played on. Having said that The game is suppose to release in 6 weeks and a day (May 25th) so they better show something a lot more solid or they won't out sale AllPro 2K8.

[kcxiv]

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So brits computer guys can't develop a good video game? I posted before, Ian Cummings is a soccer fan first and I doubt he or Josh Looman ever played organized football. Developers bring in experts for these things.

The throw off the back foot was done with a user controlled player and all ratings maxed out. I've seen Brett Favre do it a thousand tmes in real life, so it's not impossibe for the best in the game to make that throw.

As far as the camera angles and controls. It's new and different, should be a nice change of pace. As you said, if it was good game, but like Madden/2k, it would flop because of no NFL.



So you prejudge the game without playing based on it having a small development team? I agree it's a reason to have concerns about the game, but to prejudge and pass on the game at this stage based off that??
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i am basing it on the videos they have given up. The game doesnt look good. The tackling looks good, but other then that. I dont see anything that makes me say, buy this game on day one.

I just added up everything and my conclusion so far is that, its nothing to be that excited over. I really realy really really wish that was NOT the case. I would love NOTHING more then for this game to be the next big football game. The hell with my 2K ties, i been football gaming long before 2K sports or Sega Sports even existed. I am a football gaming fan more then anything.

Like i said, as of right now, its a no go for me.

[kcxiv]

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hmm..

oh know you got me. congrats on contributing absolutely nothing to this thread. *golf clap* You win.

[kjcheezhead]

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i am basing it on the videos they have given up. The game doesnt look good. The tackling looks good, but other then that. I dont see anything that makes me say, buy this game on day one.

I just added up everything and my conclusion so far is that, its nothing to be that excited over. I really realy really really wish that was NOT the case. I would love NOTHING more then for this game to be the next big football game. The hell with my 2K ties, i been football gaming long before 2K sports or Sega Sports even existed. I am a football gaming fan more then anything.

Like i said, as of right now, its a no go for me.

There's your reason right there. Developers aren't making football games these days because without the NFL, the games won't make a profit. If your a football gaming fan and would love to see more football games, I urge you to at least give the game a try before sticking a fork in this series. If this game fails, it's the end of the road for any football games besides Madden and NCAA for a very long time. If this game suceeds, companies like 2k might rethink the idea that football games without the NFL license always fail.