Madden NFL 11 Video: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

[NYyankz225]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

It's interesting to see how many times they throw hardcore in with gameflow/gameplan. They are desparate to sell this to the hardcore fans, as it's a huge feature/means of attracking the casual fans.

I don't know about you guys, but when I play online I call a lot of my plays based on what the defense is showing me, not based on the down/situation. GamePlan still feels like Ask Madden 2.0, with a way to even out the bad AI playcalling on both sides of the ball. It's basically what I did by using Beginner playcalling in Madden 10, allowing the game to call the plays to offset the horrible AI playcalling. I hated having to do it last year, and find it hard to look forward to having the AI/Offensive Coordinator call the plays for me again in Madden 11.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Valdarez.

Online especially, people tend to attack the same section of the field or run certain patterns until you stop it. That's actually how a real NFL team would call plays, depending on your school of thought. A team will constantly run crossing routes if you can't stop it. If I see a team doing that I'll probably stop using man coverage. How does Game Plan take any of this into account? This Game Plan (as far as we know) is not taking the actual plays that occur in a game into consideration. It's nice that it takes down and distance into account, but because it doesn't factor in the routes they run this actually takes away our ability to strategize and you could end up getting beat anyway.

So what if the game knows the Packers run out of Shotgun on 1st downs? What's important is, does the game know that they run slants and then more importantly if you're on the opposing team, will the Game Plan suggestion on defense recognize that and call a play that might stop that? Gameplanning for a 3 receiver set means nothing imo...that's too general.

[greenegt]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

I definitely like the sounds of this feature. They designed it well out of the gate, giving us a lot of control over the gameplans.

[TracerBullet]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

I don't think this is for when you play people online in single games. I think it's more for franchise/online franchise type of people. Maybe that just what I'm getting form this feature. I think its a good thing. No reason to shoot this down becasue its something you don't want to use though. Just don't use it. Simple.

[PantherBeast_OS]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

Well the gameplan sounds nice. But remember that you will still be able to use the full playbook if you want. Gameplan is just a option if you choose to use it. The full playbook will be there wide open like it has in the past. So that is why I ain't all that worried right now.

[TombSong]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

I think this is going to be a nice feature. It sure will beat the heck out of trying to scroll through a bunch of formations trying to remember where certain plays are you want to run.

[booker21]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

It´s basically a easy fix for the Ask Madden feature.
They didn´t want to work on the logic so they said... hey let´s the player do that...

I used to play Ask madden/Ask corso after seeing it was to easy to beat the cpu by choosing my own plays.

And the games are shorter, but not that much.. maybe 50 min or 45 min instead 1hr.

this also lead me to the next question, what happened if i want to play with Ask madden /coach without doing the gameplan?

[da ThRONe]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

I think both parties are correct. Coaches do script plays but only the 1st "X" amount of plays. After that they call the plays based on what the other time is showing. I would like to see something NCAA had with their Set-up plays (but better). So your play calling affects the game and its not just random play calling. NCAA was on to something although it wasnt implemented correctly.

[CreatineKasey]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

I think both parties are correct. Coaches do script plays but only the 1st "X" amount of plays. After that they call the plays based on what the other time is showing. I would like to see something NCAA had with their Set-up plays (but better). So your play calling affects the game and its not just random play calling. NCAA was on to something although it wasnt implemented correctly.

I think what I'll end up doing is at least calling gameflow for a couple of series until I get a real idea of what my opponent is calling. If they continue to mix it up, I'll continue to just use gameflow. If they get repetitive, I'll hand pick a play to beat their D.

Things change in context to the score, also. Once I'm up 2 scores in the 4th I'll probably be hand picking plays to run the game out.

Still, I like the idea of starting out with a base gameplan and just focusing on execution and reading the defense. Having my ideal gameplan already put together allows me to focus my mind on other tasks at hand. Usually I do have a few plays picked ahead of time to set up the defense. That takes a lot of attention away from other things, such as the actual current play being run.

[mvb34]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

I know they haven't saying anything about how gameplan will work in franchise mode but it would be cool for you to have practice your plays before adding them into gameplan and just like in NFL Head Coache the more you practice the more your players have knowledge of the plays..

[Bootzilla]

I'm loving this. I can't wait to put in game plans. It would be nice if you decide to not go with the play called for you, if you could cycle through just the plays you've selected for those situations as oppossed to going through the entire playbook. In other words if the o-coordinater selects a dive play on 3rd and 1 and I would prefer to go play action. I would have some play action pass plays in my 3rd and short gameplan. Instead of going through the entire playbook I'd like to be able to go to just the plays in the 3rd and short gameplan to more easily find the play action pass that fits that situation.

[dat swag]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

GameFlow???...How about GAMEPLAY!!!...Ea has literally run out of viable methods to freshen the game up...So let me get this straight...They are gonna hype a new feature that helps people call plays BUT the plays are the same old stale plays in the same old stale playbooks that they've been using for 10 years...

I dunno..I want Madden to be great but I just can't get excited about these sorts of things that sound like they add nothing new to the game...I'm more concerned about animations, physics, gameplay...In my opinion those factors control the gameflow...Not the playbook

[moneal2001]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

GameFlow???...How about GAMEPLAY!!!...Ea has literally run out of viable methods to freshen the game up...So let me get this...They are gonna hype a new feature that helps people call plays BUT the plays are the same old stale plays in the same old stale playbooks that they've been using for 10 years...

wow have you even read anything that has been released about the game in the past month? This is about the most worthless post on these boards. If you can think of better things just post your ideas.

[johnnyg713]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

What would be really cool is if seeing your opponents plays and stats depending on your scouting rating in franchise. For example if you had really good scouting you would be able to see mostly everything the other team runs. If you had just okay you only say half of what the other teams runs etc.

[dat swag]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

wow have you even read anything that has been released about the game in the past month? This is about the most worthless post on these boards. If you can think of better things just post your ideas.

Don't want to derail the thread but YES..I have followed most of what EA plans for Madden this year and it was this thread that kinda led me to that post...I don't post much...I recall the threads and videos about running animations last year that actually had the game looking quite promising but at the end of the day it was much ado about nothing because those things did not make it into the game.

In a nutshell most of what EA hypes is not even worthy of discussing when the vast majority of the game is in shambles...I'm not a Madden Novice...I've bought every game for 20+ years, played heavy on the tournament scene and ran many online leagues...I'm Madden's biggest fan but at some point you literally have to start wondering...How many years are we going to have to wait???...The biggest problem I see is the game is actually as good as its ever been but in the context of where a next gen sports game like Madden Should be...It has not even come close to where many of us thought it might be at the inception of next gen.

I've actually resigned myself to believe we will likely never see Football game that will "WOW" us until exclusivity is over and somebody else gives us a different interpretation of NFL Football...Just my .02

[Palo20]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Videos: Ian Cummings Talks Game Plan

When coaches gameplan, they're basically playing percentages based off what they see on tape. If a team plays cover 3 on 3rd and 10 60 % of the time then the offensive coaches will gameplan cover 3 beaters for that situation.

The good QBs make their checks at the line based off what they see. When the D shows "X" front, they usually run this blitz, so let's audible to a play that will beat it.

Obviuosly as the game goes on, there are adjustments to be made.