Madden NFL 11 Hands-On Impressions (OS)

[Bgamer90]

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I can interject here and say this goes far beyond Madden because its the exact same effect in basketball as well.

Backbreaker isnt even out yet and its the first iteration. There really is only so much comparing you can do.

Now give the devs at NM about 6-7 years with the game and they still leave fundamentals in the game in array and you'll see the same kind of despisings, especially when the fanbase has been asking for particulars for years on end.

I do understand what you fellas are saying but the truth is, you ask for one thing and continually get another and the basic things of the game stay damaged then yes there are going to be some issues people take with that.

I understand that, but still... I remember ones saying "I'm never going to buy a football game that doesn't have proper fatigue, lacking features, etc." in terms of Madden earlier this gen (a good number of them being 2k fanboys) and now they are all over backbreaker and call it "super sim" even though it doesn't have fatigue, injuries, hot routes, etc.

I'm pretty sure that if Madden put in euphoria but took out fatigue, injuries, etc., it would get a lot of bad feedback from the same ones looking forward to backbreaker. Heck, chances are if backbreaker didn't even exist and what I said in my previous sentence was true, ones would call euphoria a "gimmick" (lol).

[ShaneTheMaster]

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Yeah it's BS rudy how people change their standards. They nitpick Madden about not having the right cleats but then give a pass to Backbreaker for not having any injuries, LOL. Such hypocrisy.

I think the difference is that Madden has had 5+ years to get it right.. Backbreaker is in it's first iteration... and although they made a bad decision to not have injuries, I think people are praising it's potential.

[moneal2001]

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I think the difference is that Madden has had 5+ years to get it right.. Backbreaker is in it's first iteration... and although they made a bad decision to not have injuries, I think people are praising it's potential.

That makes no difference, Its still hypocritical. Can't flame one for not having things while praising another that doesn't have them either. That by definition is hypocritical.

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I understand that, but still... I remember ones saying "I'm never going to buy a football game that doesn't have proper fatigue, lacking features, etc." in terms of Madden earlier this gen (a good number of them being 2k fanboys) and now they are all over backbreaker and call it "super sim" even though it doesn't have fatigue, injuries, hot routes, etc.

I'm pretty sure that if Madden put in euphoria but took out fatigue, injuries, etc., it would get a lot of bad feedback from the same ones looking forward to backbreaker. Heck, chances are if backbreaker didn't even exist and what I said in my previous sentence was true, ones would call euphoria a "gimmick" (lol).

I can hardly find many people that decree the "im never doing such and such" and follow through with it.

I did, when they released that mess of an NCAA basketball game and screwed the gamers over, even after not doing much work in the game, they weren't getting my 60 bucks, now the game is gone...ah well for them.

That said, the killer part is, you throw backbreaker off of the argument and you still have people here longing that this game can even do many things that a game was doing back in 2004


Think about it for a minute and you will realize how sad that is. Not only because it was so long ago, but because these are alot of basic things that people are asking for, its not even re-inventing the wheel.

[Bgamer90]

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That said, the killer part is, you throw backbreaker off of the argument and you still have people here longing that this game can even do many things that a game was doing back in 2004

True...

Think about it for a minute and you will realize how sad that is. Not only because it was so long ago, but because these are alot of basic things that people are asking for, its not even re-inventing the wheel.

I agree that football gaming is about 2-3 years behind where it probably should be due to the first maddens this gen (hopefully madden 11 will bring things back up to speed).

Anyways, like I said, I just don't get how ones can talk about Madden missing "basic" things and then say "Backbreaker will blow Madden away" when Backbreaker is also missing "basic" things. Seems like if they really want football gaming to progress as a whole that they would get backbreaker when it does have injuries, fatigue, etc. (if it ever will since it might not have a sequel).

In terms of madden 11, people are saying "Save 65!!!!... Get Backbreaker" due to the first trailers not showing true to life logic in animations and yet they go and say backbreaker is "TRUE FOOTBALL" when it lacks pretty basic things that football games have had since the 90's...

I guess some are just into animations more than anything else and can put all the other things about a football game aside. I mean, I just find it funny how much people "dissect" madden vids and are yet still pumped for backbreaker when if they did the same for backbreaker they could also see a lot of issues... some that are even bigger (like players being tackled by their own teammates pre snap).

To put it frankly, it's just one big hypocritical mess lol.

[Moegames]

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Im really hyped for M11.. after enjoying M10 for many months and still enjoy it today.. i can only imagine that im gonna like M11 much more seeing that a lot of the stuff being fine tuned from last year.

I hope they keep on evolving the presentation/atmosphere some more. I know it made a world of a difference with M10 and it seems Ian and the rest at the camp realize that its a vital ingredient to a football game...it really does add so much to playing this game.

Also glad they retooled the kicking meter and scraped the old one.

[Crimsontide27]

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True...


Anyways, like I said, I just don't get how ones can talk about Madden missing "basic" things and then say "Backbreaker will blow Madden away" when Backbreaker is also missing "basic" things. Seems like if they really want football gaming to progress as a whole that they would get backbreaker when it does have injuries, fatigue, etc. (if it ever will since it might not have a sequel).

In terms of madden 11, people are saying "Save 65!!!!... Get Backbreaker" due to the first trailers not showing true to life logic in animations and yet they go and say backbreaker is "TRUE FOOTBALL" when it lacks pretty basic things that football games have had since the 90's...

To put it frankly, it's just one big hypocritical mess lol.

The issue here is that we know exactly year in and year out how Madden / NCAA will play. I have no clue how Backbreaker will turn out, but its the first breath of fresh air in a football title that any of us have had since back in 2004.

Madden and NCAA have yet to fix the critical flaws in their titles year in and out, so people expect more from them since its apparent that from year to year, very little actually improves and in some isntances actually regresses.

I think we can all agree that we just want some solid football titles out there , and since Madden and NCAA have yet to be a solid title for the past 4-5 years, people hold out hope for something new.

Its a tragedy that features that were on the last generation titles on a much less powerful system have yet to make it into next gen...and thats without bringing anything to the table that 2k did very well.

Edit : To add to this, EA has been making Madden games since back in the very early 90s. If you take into account all the Madden and NCAA series across various systems...( SNES, Genesis, Playstation, 3DO, Playstation 2, Playstation 3, Xbox, and the Xbox 360 etc...) then this team has probably over 50 different football titles to have learned from. Dont forget that even with 20 years experience with this genre, that it was just last year that fatigue didnt even work and had to be patched. Didnt they forget to include a ton of penalities one year as well? Think we had 3+ years of no facemasks even though the animation was still in. Wasnt it just 2 years ago that injuries were so prevelant that you actually had to turn them off due to 5+ major injuries just on your squad per game? Im much more willing to give a company a pass on leaving some features out when its their first football title...versus their 50th.

Im thrilled that someone is willing to even make another football title period, regardless of publisher / developer.

[yardz23]

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Im much more willing to give a company a pass on leaving some features out when its their first football title...versus their 50th.

Im thrilled that someone is willing to even make another football title period, regardless of publisher / developer.

Good point.

[Bgamer90]

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The issue here is that we know exactly year in and year out how Madden / NCAA will play.

I personally don't know how the games feel this year with the new locomotion in place (and I can't see how anyone else who hasn't played the games can for that matter). Unless you didn't mean "play" in terms of control...

I have no clue how Backbreaker will turn out, but its the first breath of fresh air in a football title that any of us have had since back in 2004.

It does look different (due to animations and camera angle) but that camera angle just doesn't look fun to me at all. When news came about the camera not being adjustable, it really did put a hamper on me wanting to play the game.

Madden and NCAA have yet to fix the critical flaws in their titles year in and out,....

Come on now... while there are some flaws in terms of Madden, they have fixed issues that people have wanted fix and seem to be continuing that with '11.

so people expect more from them since its apparent that from year to year, very little actually improves and in some isntances actually regresses.

I think we can all agree that we just want some solid football titles out there , and since Madden and NCAA have yet to be a solid title for the past 4-5 years, people hold out hope for something new.

Its a tragedy that features that were on the last generation titles on a much less powerful system have yet to make it into next gen...and thats without bringing anything to the table that 2k did very well.

To be honest, I just think it's people mad at EA for the exclusive deal than anything else.

Any football game that isn't made by EA is going to get some form of hype from "Madden haters".

I don't really understand completely ones saying, "Since Madden (and/or NCAA) doesn't have some things that football games have had since 2004, I'm not buying any more EA football games and will be getting a new football game made by a different company and will forgive the makers of it for the flaws that it'll have", when it would seem to me that people would get more and more tired of basic features being missing as the years went by regardless of who the football game is made by. Like if they got tired of Madden lacking things for 4-5 years, it would seem like they wouldn't give the light of day to a new football game lacking the same thing(s) and/or something even more basic since they put up with "lack" for so long.

[Crimsontide27]

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There are a lot less Madden haters than people think. People just want a decent playing game of football, its pretty darn simple. As it is now, football is the worst representation of all next gen sports titles and its a shame.

When the exclusive contract was signed, many people thought it would be bringing in a new era in football titles, and it sure did...

This isnt an exclusive versus no exclusive topic though.

With the exception to graphics, both Madden and NCAA have failed to deliver even after 5+ years of next gen. Even leaving the 2k series out of the equation, they still havent made a game that was better than NCAA 04 and Madden 05 yet. Its pathetic. I am comparing the same football titles to the same football company so anyone can keep the " EA ***** " chatter to a minimum. When games that were made 5+ years ago...by the same company...play better and have more options and features than brand new football titles with 5+ years of next gen experience...its beyond sad.

This entire next gen EA crew should be moved to other products that are more suited to their development skills.

[Crimsontide27]

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I personally don't know how the games feel this year with the new locomotion in place (and I can't see how anyone else who hasn't played the games can for that matter). Unless you didn't mean "play" in terms of control...

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Everyone on this board has a short term memory. Locomotion was a HUGE selling point with Madden 09 and was followed with videos and blogs etc etc, and we all know how Madden 09 turned out. Why should this year be any different? Same song and dance every year. Every year is the year that things will be " finally realized and come together" only to be followed with maybe " next year " posts within less than 24 hrs of release.

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True...



I agree that football gaming is about 2-3 years behind where it probably should be due to the first maddens this gen (hopefully madden 11 will bring things back up to speed).

Anyways, like I said, I just don't get how ones can talk about Madden missing "basic" things and then say "Backbreaker will blow Madden away" when Backbreaker is also missing "basic" things. Seems like if they really want football gaming to progress as a whole that they would get backbreaker when it does have injuries, fatigue, etc. (if it ever will since it might not have a sequel).

In terms of madden 11, people are saying "Save 65!!!!... Get Backbreaker" due to the first trailers not showing true to life logic in animations and yet they go and say backbreaker is "TRUE FOOTBALL" when it lacks pretty basic things that football games have had since the 90's...

I guess some are just into animations more than anything else and can put all the other things about a football game aside. I mean, I just find it funny how much people "dissect" madden vids and are yet still pumped for backbreaker when if they did the same for backbreaker they could also see a lot of issues... some that are even bigger (like players being tackled by their own teammates pre snap).

To put it frankly, it's just one big hypocritical mess lol.

Again man, you're comparing a 5 year 6 year series to some game that hasnt been out yet.

Please understand, there are things that 2k5 has that blows Madden out of the water, so in terms of things like maybe animations, thats not a stretch to say.

I think people are tired of not having a choice is what it really is. Picking off pieces of comments without really going after the real issue is where the problem lies.

Some people are completely complacent and will accept anything. Then there are those who are tired of spending their money on just enough to get by when you know there can be and has been better quality.

As I said, let the fans ask for injuries for 6 years and they get ignored and you'll see the backlash, but on the other side there really is no excuse. NONE

[Bgamer90]

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Again man, you're comparing a 5 year 6 year series to some game that hasnt been out yet.

What do you mean? All I'm saying is it would seem that people would be wanting more regardless of whether or not it's an EA game.

I think people are tired of not having a choice is what it really is.

Yeah more than likely that's what it is. That would explain a lot.

Some people are completely complacent and will accept anything. Then there are those who are tired of spending their money on just enough to get by when you know there can be and has been better quality.

As I said, let the fans ask for injuries for 6 years and they get ignored and you'll see the backlash, but on the other side there really is no excuse. NONE

I didn't get madden 06 for the 360 due to it's lack of features and just stuck with the ps2 version. I got Madden 07 for the 360 since I just bought a 360 and I was craving for a new next-gen football game (since I didn't have any at the time). I bought it and was pretty disappointed after the newness of it wore off a few weeks later. I mean it was fun to play against friends and the graphics were amazing during the time but I was disappointed that it didn't play as well as the last gen maddens. But anyways, I guess I'm different then since if something was a "deal breaker" for me in terms of it not being in Madden I wouldn't get any football game period that doesn't have that certain thing and/or lacks something that is even more basic especially if I have been complaining about it for years. Maybe a bad example but I'm going to say it anyways (lol)... It like complaining about a cell phone not having MMS in 2006 but anticipating a new phone by a different company in 2010 that doesn't have MMS and text messaging.

[Bgamer90]

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Even leaving the 2k series out of the equation, they still havent made a game that was better than NCAA 04 and Madden 05 yet. Its pathetic.

In terms of depth in modes I agree but in terms of gameplay, I disagree...

Madden 10 is better than Madden 04 and 05 in terms of it. Less suction and better momentum during tackles and when breaking out of them alone makes it a better playing game (at least for me)...

[Bgamer90]

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Everyone on this board has a short term memory. Locomotion was a HUGE selling point with Madden 09 and was followed with videos and blogs etc etc, and we all know how Madden 09 turned out. Why should this year be any different? Same song and dance every year.

Except for the fact that Madden 11 will have a completely new locomotion engine where as Madden 09 was just tweaks/additions in the already existing one.

So yeah... it should be different and according to the people who've played it, it is.