How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

[splff3000]

After reading/seeing EA's live chat on Gameflow/Gameplan here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...live-chat.html

How do you feel about Ask Madden 2.0 err Gameflow/Gameplan now? If you've seen any of my posts about it then you know how I feel about it. You know I think it's Ask Madden 2.0 and in some ways, EA proved that during it's live chat. To recap:

- You can't use packages( unless you use a cumbersome workaround that ctually defeats the purpose of this idea)

- The defense only has 6 formations it can gameplan for while the offense has 15+ situations it can gameplan for. ( Can somebody say shootouts?)

- You can't change your gameplan in game so if you create your gameplan around a particular player and he gets hurt you're just S.O.L.

I suggest you read the live chat transcript and then make your choice. I think you all know which one I chose.

[bkrich83]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

Don't know till I try it. Same as everyone else here.

[TreFacTor]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

My thoughts haven't changed on Gameplan or Gameflow. It's a gimmick for the inept while telling the hardcore that they'll love it because they'll get to play more games. If you add the amount of time you'll spend learning the feature, making adjustments to it, and then trying to figure out why the computer can't get your playlist correct, you'll actually spend less time playing. But hey some people will fall for the new gimmicks while they overlook the game lacking better collision, better physics, better AI (instead of cheating AI), franchise improvements, better blocking (instead of spinning lineman), and play recognition (if your playing zone, the linebackers should react to a run play instead of continuing to drop into their zones ).

[bkrich83]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

- You can't change your gameplan in game so if you create your gameplan around a particular player and he gets hurt you're just S.O.L.

This I really don't have a problem with as that's the way it works in real life. Teams install a gameplan for the week, and sometimes **** happens and you have to go off the cuff so to speak.

The rest of it, I'll just wait and see before I start declaring it a gimmick or broken.

[MJenness]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

This I really don't have a problem with as that's the way it works in real life. Teams install a gameplan for the week, and sometimes **** happens and you have to go off the cuff so to speak.

The rest of it, I'll just wait and see before I start declaring it a gimmick or broken.

SO, you're saying that teams don't change their gameplans mid-game if their starting QB or RB goes down?? If so, I think maybe you need to look again, cause it happens all the time.

[bkrich83]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

SO, you're saying that teams don't change their gameplans mid-game if their starting QB or RB goes down?? If so, I think maybe you need to look again, cause it happens all the time.

Not their installed gameplan. You understand what a gameplan is and how teams install them going in to each week right? They don't install multiple gameplans for each opponent.

If things go south or they lose someone they may change their playcalling, they may even call some plays they don't have installed that week, but they don't go to a new gameplan.. More like off the cuff play calling tendencies. Well it depends on the play caller.

The game simulates this, not sure if it's on purpose, by saying if things go way south, you can leave your gameplan and call plays straight out of the playbook.

[MJenness]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

Not their installed gameplan. You understand what a gameplan is and how teams install them going in to each week right? They don't install multiple gameplans for each opponent.

If things go south or they lose someone they may change their playcalling, they may even call some plays they don't have installed that week, but they don't go to a new gameplan.. More like off the cuff play calling tendencies. Well it depends on the play caller.

The game simulates this, not sure if it's on purpose, by saying if things go way south, you can leave your gameplan and call plays straight out of the playbook.

Re-read what you wrote...especially the bolded part...they change their plan.

[PantherBeast_OS]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

I feel like that Gameflow will be ok for this year. But because subing is not in it. It is only half done. I feel that they have more work to do on it for 2012. But I will not us it this year. I will keep with the regular playbook calling.

[bkrich83]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

Re-read what you wrote...especially the bolded part...they change their plan.

Indeed they do change their plan. But they aren't using a new game plan.

I am not sure you really understand the term gameplan and the context it is used in this instance.

[bkrich83]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

I feel like that Gameflow will be ok for this year. But because subing is not in it. It is only half done. I feel that they have more work to do on it for 2012. But I will not us it this year. I will keep with the regular playbook calling.

Yeah not being able to use the personel packages, takes something away for sure.

I'll try it, but not sure what to think just yet.

[MJenness]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

Indeed they do change their plan. But they aren't using a new game plan.

I am not sure you really understand the term gameplan and the context it is used in this instance.

If they pull in plays that are not part of their original gameplan, or scrap what plays WERE in the original plan, then they are in essence changing their gameplan...not rocket science, so what's so difficult to understand?

[bkrich83]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

If they pull in plays that are not part of their original gameplan, or scrap what plays WERE in the original plan, then they are in essence changing their gameplan...not rocket science, so what's so difficult to understand?

That's really not what they are doing. Again, I don't think you really get the concept of a gameplan in this context.

If you want to make it out so I am the one who has difficulty understanding the concept, that's fine with me.

Personally I see where they were going with it, and I don't have a problem with that piece of it.

The sub thing, is big to me, that's off-putting.

But I'll wait till I actually use it, before I declare it broken or a gimmick. Maybe that's just me.

[DLaren]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

Gameflow/Gameplan is beginning to look like another feature that I will never use.

It is also fairly clear that Gameflow/Gameplan is here to stay. So unfortunately for me, the developement team will be devoting man-hours into this feature for the rest of this generation, which will only end-up syphoning resources and developement time away from other areas of the game that are more relavent to my interests.

I know its still very early, but I can't help but feel like 'in-game saves' (a feature that continues to be placed on the back-burner) was omitted this year because someone at EA thought Gameflow/Gameplan would be a viable substitute...I hope I'm wrong.

[MJenness]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

That's really not what they are doing. Again, I don't think you really get the concept of a gameplan in this context.

If you want to make it out so I am the one who has difficulty understanding the concept, that's fine with me.

Personally I see where they were going with it, and I don't have a problem with that piece of it.

The sub thing, is big to me, that's off-putting.

But I'll wait till I actually use it, before I declare it broken or a gimmick. Maybe that's just me.

Ditto.

[MJenness]

Re: How Do You Feel About Gameflow/Gameplan Now?

Gameflow/Gameplan is beginning to look like another feature that I will never use.

It is also fairly clear that Gameflow/Gameplan is here to stay. So unfortunately for me, the developement team will be devoting man-hours into this feature for the rest of this generation, which will only end-up syphoning resources and developement time away from other areas of the game that are more relavent to my interests.

I know its still very early, but I can't help but feel like 'in-game saves' were omitted this year because someone at EA thought Gameflow/Gameplan would be a "better" solution...I hope I'm wrong.

My feelings exactly. This could have been done SO much better....reminds me of last year's online franchise....half baked and fundamentally broken because of that.