NCAA Football 11 Blog: Quarterback

[rhombic21]

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So they got rid of rush out for a worthless contain assignment that I could already do relatively easily? Figures.

At least with the rush out there was a middle ground between "go stand in a completely unrealistic quasi-zone and don't rush the QB at all" and "get sucked in and give up the outside every time." Now they've basically eliminated that. Wonderful.

[jmik58]

Also, not all slot receivers are covered with man coverage. And even if a team is covering someone in man coverage, their defensive alignment in relation to a receiver depends on who is blitzing and where the help is defensively.

In obvious passing downs you will likely man up on all receivers if possible, but in a normal situation you may show man coverge and really be in zone. There are so many variables to a defensive call that you can't pull much out of one screen shot.

Also, teams who play zone can guard a slot receiver just fine as well. For example, Virginia Tech (Bud Foster) uses what he calls an "Apex" alignment for slot coverage in a zone. This tells the outside linebacker or nickel back to align at a halfway point between the slot receiver and the end man in the box (TE or OT). This takes away inside routes and also gives the defender a good shot at reacting to outside routes as well. It's obviously giving up the underneath stuff, but most defenses don't care about that area of the field as much.

[Palo20]

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I'm not Jersey, but I might be able to shed some light on the defensive question above.

As for never seeing deep outs or comebacks, it is something that you will see on a rollout more often than a dropback. The ball is in the air too long with the target at a point that is in front of a defender (meaning the defender won't have to turn his hips and run, which means quicker reaction time and a more dangerous pass )when you are throwing from the pocket.

As far as the field corner alignment... it depends on what coverage they are in. If it's man coverage, then yes his job is to align inside and force the receiver to the outside. The reason isn't as much about protecting against a deep out. It does help on slants but an inside alignment gives leverage to force the receiver to the outside and over the top where there is less field (using the sideline as a defender) and also because it forces a throw to the outside (long throw) and where the safety help often is.

If it's zone coverage (in this case Cover 3), then the field corner is aligning at a spot relative to the hash marks. Different teams prefer different alignments, but a good example would be for the field corner to align two or three yards outside the hash with his hips open to the sideline. This, again, is less about specific route protection, but more about creating an advantageous situation where the player can defend his area and the routes he is likely to see the most.

Thanks. Thats pretty much what I'm getting at: the deep out cuts to the wide side are way too easy from the pocket because the pass speeds in the game are way too fast. Even on the NFL, throwing to the far hash takes precise timing and the hashmarks aren't nearly as far.

[JerseySuave4]

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I'm not Jersey, but I might be able to shed some light on the defensive question above.

As for never seeing deep outs or comebacks, it is something that you will see on a rollout more often than a dropback. The ball is in the air too long with the target at a point that is in front of a defender (meaning the defender won't have to turn his hips and run, which means quicker reaction time and a more dangerous pass )when you are throwing from the pocket.

As far as the field corner alignment... it depends on what coverage they are in. If it's man coverage, then yes his job is to align inside and force the receiver to the outside. The reason isn't as much about protecting against a deep out. It does help on slants but an inside alignment gives leverage to force the receiver to the outside and over the top where there is less field (using the sideline as a defender) and also because it forces a throw to the outside (long throw) and where the safety help often is.

If it's zone coverage (in this case Cover 3), then the field corner is aligning at a spot relative to the hash marks. Different teams prefer different alignments, but a good example would be for the field corner to align two or three yards outside the hash with his hips open to the sideline. This, again, is less about specific route protection, but more about creating an advantageous situation where the player can defend his area and the routes he is likely to see the most.

well said

I've never been a big believer in a dback having to have a certain foot forward. To me it's an excessive detail that forces players to think too much and has little value in the outcome. The way my coaching staff has always taught, and heard several others do this is as well, is to focus on alignment.

The only time you might care about foot placement is if you are going to jam a receiver. But again, a dback should put whatever foot forward that makes them the most comfortable.

Now what IS important is what direction the dback steps first. If the coverage calls for a jam at the line and it's man coverage, then I might tell the dback to put his outside foot forward so he can step forward and cut off the inside release.

If it's a cover 2 corner (zone, not 2 under) then I obviously want him shading the outside and jamming in. This requires an outside alignment. Therefore, I might tell a player to put the inside foot up and step forward and out with the outside foot to help cut off the outside release.

i used to agree that you should have the player do whats more comfortable but since i started going to some coaching clinics at places like Rutgers and Nova and other colleges or places with experienced coaches, i now start really hammering technique starting in the summer and early practice in aug so that it becomes 2nd nature and it no longer feels uncomfortable.

WRs should have their inside foot up, DBs playing tight man coverage should also have their inside foot up. The reason to hammer correct technique is because you want to limit your movements and not waste movement trying to get in correct position. We'll do a lot of quick step back peddling right out of the stance over and over and over just a few steps from stance to stop just so the guys get the feel of how it should be. M drill or W (depending on what your coach called it) is also good for guys getting used to correct foot planting on slant routes. Once you can get the proper technique down, you no longer are thinking about which foot should be forward, it just is habit and you're helping yourself out with your footwork and movement by limiting your steps and putting yourself in proper position.

These college coaches kept stressing technique and reptition and i've noticed a difference in our DBs and WRs being in better position and having better footwork because they are lined up correctly and taking the proper steps, turning their hips correctly, etc.

So while you are right that you want your player to feel comfortable, that could lead to bad habits and improper technique when all it might take is just repetition and practice to get used to doing it the right way so it feels better. As lame as it sounds, you need to practice positioning and stance just like you need to practice the proper way of tackling. Its not something you can just tell someone to do, show them once and then boom they learned it and can apply it. They need to do it over and over and over until it becomes 2nd nature to them. Otherwise they're just practicing wrong technique.

[JerseySuave4]

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Thanks. Thats pretty much what I'm getting at: the deep out cuts to the wide side are way too easy from the pocket because the pass speeds in the game are way too fast. Even on the NFL, throwing to the far hash takes precise timing and the hashmarks aren't nearly as far.

yea deep outs to the wide side is a really tough pass on any level. Even with the arm strength that NFL QBs have, thats still a dangerous throw because of how good DBs in the NFL are. Thats a pass that is dangerous from the pocket because the DB should have the better angle to step in front and go for the pick so its a risky pass. Thats why, like someone else said, you want to have some sort of sprint out or rollout for those passes to shorten the distance and give yourself a better chance at completion. The longer the ball is in the air, the more time the defense has to react and recover.

[PantherBeast_OS]

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My only fear about the throw a pass out of the sack thing. This going to lower the chances of getting sacks in ncaa 11. The throwing out of the sacking deal last year for madden 10 was way over done. I just don't want to see the AI throwing the pass away every time I get ready to sack him and all. Madden 10 was bad about that. I'm just hoping the AI ain't going to be to overpowered with the throwing out of the sack deal like it was in madden 10. But other then that it sounds good. Nice blog.

[Lava]

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My only fear about the throw a pass out of the sack thing. This going to lower the chances of getting sacks in ncaa 11. The throwing out of the sacking deal last year for madden 10 was way over done. I just don't want to see the AI throwing the pass away every time I get ready to sack him and all. Madden 10 was bad about that. I'm just hoping the AI ain't going to be to overpowered with the throwing out of the sack deal like it was in madden 10. But other then that it sounds good. Nice blog.

You could do it in NCAA 10 too, but it resulted in a pop fly for an easy pick for the defense far too often.

[sniperhare]

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I hope they massively overhaul that agg/def gameplan feature from ncaa 10. It felt like cheese when I'd play the CPU and would turn them into superhuman pass rushers who moved in a massive blob.

And aggressive usually just meant penalties all the time.

[Watson]

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full of win.

[blackscorpion11]

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Good adjustments...

I just can't help but ask...Why now?, what took so long to make common sense adjustments? Why was this unrealistic crap ok for the past 3 years?

i know, i know,

just shut-up and be grateful

[JerseySuave4]

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My only fear about the throw a pass out of the sack thing. This going to lower the chances of getting sacks in ncaa 11. The throwing out of the sacking deal last year for madden 10 was way over done. I just don't want to see the AI throwing the pass away every time I get ready to sack him and all. Madden 10 was bad about that. I'm just hoping the AI ain't going to be to overpowered with the throwing out of the sack deal like it was in madden 10. But other then that it sounds good. Nice blog.

that was my exact though when i read this, the cpu is going to get rid of the ball all the time and sack numbers are going to be low. I hope thats not the case though.

[J-Unit40]

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Another fair question is: will CPU Dual Threat QBs actually run now?

Oh and I have a feeling they are gonna rename Scrambling QBs to Dual Threat in recruiting.

1) I sure hope dual threat CPU QBs run. I have been waiting for this since old-gen.

2) I think you are right in regards to recruiting.

[blackscorpion11]

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This. Disappointing blog; I was hoping for a mention of new QB ratings when I saw the subject matter, but really it's just minor touch ups and slapping a band aid on a gunshot wound when it comes to containing dual threat QBs.

along that QB line...didn't we already have DE contain plays?

[moylan1234]

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along that QB line...didn't we already have DE contain plays?

yes, but these are audibles you can call preplay

[blackscorpion11]

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Not knocking the strategic side of things by the way. Im all for that. I think it should take logical thought to win a game on line. Not just running around with Terrel Prior. Various Qb styles are just something that has been needed for years. It would be like a baseball game that has the same throiwng motion for every pitcher in it. Its crucial to gameplay.

AMEN BROTHER!!! well said, Honesty in QB styles, ratings and abilities would shut down the cheesefest online.. EX. Pryor is a great runner but avg passer at best.. The game should reflect that.