Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

[monkeybutlerz]

nuckles2k2, as the OP of this thread, I'd just like to clarify that I'm no way, shape or form saying that it is confirmed that we will not be receiving expanded rosters (among other things which we hope are included in the game), nor am I making any accusations towards Looman's track record or blaming him for franchise mode's current state.

I merely stated (from a franchise fan's perspective) that Donny Moore's statement may be an indication of the lack of expanded rosters for this year's game once again. My interpretation may be erroneous, but it's what came to mind. I didn't say it confirmed its exclusion, I didn't rule out it possibly being included in this year's game, I just brought it up as food for thought and wished for it to be a starting point for dicussion. If this is being perceived as being a negative and thoughtless post, meant to spur on blind hate for Madden, that wasn't my intent.

[nuckles2k2]

Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

I understand that Looman just started last year. I also understand that Rome wasn't built in a day, and these things take time. However, when looking at the work that Looman has ahead for him, I don't think you can expect roster bonuses to be included anytime soon.

There are many things that have to be corrected, and added first:the sim stats need to be ironed out, expanded rosters in the preseason need to be added, restricted free agency has to be put back in, 53 man rosters, 45 man game day rosters, practice squads, front-loading and back-loading contracts,a functional AI and a myriad of other things that need to be added and/or corrected before Looman worries about implementing roster bonuses which would require a working calendar.

I agree with everything you said except the part about the calendar. They already have a calendar in Superstar mode, and Head Coach 09 had a calendar. I'm sure they can figure out a way to implement it in franchise mode for this year (this is vital to the off-season.) A lot of those things you listed can be added to Madden 11, but we also have to be ready to see some without others and not start whining because our expectations weren't met. I can live with improvement over "status quo" as long as there is actually improvement.

And right now there's no way to know what's going on. The only good sign I can point out is the blog about the phone calls in NCAA's Dynasty Mode. It looks to be geared towards the Dynasty players with little regard for the people who would find it too "daunting or complicated."

That's at least a good sign...hopefully.

[nuckles2k2]

Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

nuckles2k2, as the OP of this thread, I'd just like to clarify that I'm no way, shape or form saying that it is confirmed that we will not be receiving expanded rosters (among other things we all agree we hope are in the game), nor am I making any accusations towards Looman's track record or blaming him for Madden's franchise's current state.

I merely stated (from a franchise fan's perspective) that Donny Moore's statement may be an indication of the lack of expanded rosters for this year's game once again. My interpretation may be erroneous, but it's what came to mind. I didn't say it confirmed its exclusion, I didn't rule out it possibly being included in this year's game, I just brought it up as food for thought and wished for it to be a starting point for dicussion. If this is being perceived as being a negative and thoughtless post, meant to spur on blind hate for Madden, that wasn't my intent.

I gotcha. My posts weren't really geared toward you anyway. Speculation is fine, but it's the people talking about "same ol' EA" and "look at the track record" when that really doesn't apply because the current construction of the Madden dev team is only one year old. The only history this team has is Madden 10...which was more of an improvement in the series than the previous 4 combined.

[Matt Diesel]

Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

I gotcha. My posts weren't really geared toward you anyway. Speculation is fine, but it's the people talking about "same ol' EA" and "look at the track record" when that really doesn't apply because the current construction of the Madden dev team is only one year old. The only history this team has is Madden 10...which was more of an improvement in the series than the previous 4 combined.

Yeah but hit a dog too many times... You cant blame people for being weary when it comes to Madden.

Im hoping just as much as everyone else they figure this out, but to say my hopes are high would be a lie.

[RedZoneD25]

Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

Yeah but hit a dog too many times... You cant blame people for being weary when it comes to Madden.

Im hoping just as much as everyone else they figure this out, but to say my hopes are high would be a lie.

Pretty much summed up my entire feelings with this post.

I get that this specific EA dev crew is new, but it's the same brain behind the machine.

[Golden81]

Re: So I guess we aren't getting expanded rosters?

Guys the real answer is simple.. they want us to buy madden 2012, can you imagine have that much free roster?? we could create whoever we wanted have it unlimited we wouldnt have to buy madden again, this year looks like the same game as 2010 the first year I have never been pumped for it its just upgraded rosters but they know people like me will buy it for that reason

[Golden81]

Re: Another year without full rosters?

Hopefully ,as sort of a consolation prize, they at least get rid of those position requirements(if I want to make a roster with 45 punters, then let me darn it)make us select a 45 man game day roster and make injury reserve clear up the roster spot and cap hit of the player being put on IR.

If they aren't going to add things to the franchise, at least they could correct these things.

requriments really piss me off, there was a bug last year EA rosters would let us play even if a team had 2 DTs (come on alot of teams use a 3-4 and only carry 2 of them not 3) but anyway EA rosters would work for a few weeks of a franchise without the minimums then all of a sudden a bug will happen and say I have to few Ts etc etc even though I had no injuries the week before

[cgalligan]

I think their past should pretty much tell everyone that we are gonna be stuck with just the 53 again for madden 11...

look at how the show does it... they have every single thing about rosters in the game that are in real life. 5 rule draft, waivers and some other ones that i didn't even know about...

the main problem is that the madden team doesn't wanna confuse their target audience of 8-16 yr old little boys...

[sniperhare]

Re: So I guess we aren't getting expanded rosters?

Guys the real answer is simple.. they want us to buy madden 2012, can you imagine have that much free roster?? we could create whoever we wanted have it unlimited we wouldnt have to buy madden again, this year looks like the same game as 2010 the first year I have never been pumped for it its just upgraded rosters but they know people like me will buy it for that reason

Then they would have to make 2012 a game worthy of being bought. If they fix franchise in '11 I'd buy 12 with improved presentation, real time stats from other games, the ongoing draft dialog with Schefter from NFLN they had in Head Coach.

And they better have new consoles by 2012-3. I've had this 360 for almost 5 years now.

[kbigmike2121]

Re: Another year without full rosters?

NCAA has like what 120 teams with 70 players. Thats a possible 8400 players. Wonder how they get that done in time.

hmmm... Good question. I'm not entirely sure. Now I've run out of excuses...

[sasquatchboy]

The issue isn't about full rosters. It's about realistic gameplay. Something the Madden series lacks.

[steelers1]

Re: Another year without full rosters?

hmmm... Good question. I'm not entirely sure. Now I've run out of excuses...

Well, though, there is a big difference. The NCAA guys don't need permission to put players in their game since they don't use names. They also can basically throw random ratings in for the lesser known players.

In Madden, in order to put the extra 1000ish players in the game that would be necessary to be able to compile 80 man rosters with actual players, they would have to do a lot more work. Especially since a lot of those guys might not be on a team for long and would need to be compensated for being in the game (not sure how that works if a player isnt actually in the NFL). It would also be pretty tough to be accurate with the players.

That being said, I want 80 man rosters so bad... I wouldn't even care if they just added a huge list of randomly generated players you could add in the offseason. They could make it easier in franchise mode by giving us 400-500 rookies per offseason instead of the current 250ish.

[brza37]

Re: Another year without full rosters?

Well, though, there is a big difference. The NCAA guys don't need permission to put players in their game since they don't use names. They also can basically throw random ratings in for the lesser known players.

In Madden, in order to put the extra 1000ish players in the game that would be necessary to be able to compile 80 man rosters with actual players, they would have to do a lot more work. Especially since a lot of those guys might not be on a team for long and would need to be compensated for being in the game (not sure how that works if a player isnt actually in the NFL). It would also be pretty tough to be accurate with the players.

That being said, I want 80 man rosters so bad... I wouldn't even care if they just added a huge list of randomly generated players you could add in the offseason. They could make it easier in franchise mode by giving us 400-500 rookies per offseason instead of the current 250ish.

Head Coach 09 had 80 man rosters. There were some fake filler players in the game but for the most part they had 70-80 real players per team if you started the game in the offseason, plus more real players in the free agent pool.

[nuckles2k2]

Re: Another year without full rosters?

Head Coach 09 had 80 man rosters. There were some fake filler players in the game but for the most part they had 70-80 real players per team if you started the game in the offseason, plus more real players in the free agent pool.

And I can see expanded rosters making it in for franchise during the off-season, but what's the point of having an 80 man roster in the main menu when teams are bound by a 53 man roster for 17+ weeks?

The only reason why MLB games have those huge rosters are because each team has several minor league teams in their farm system and even if they send someone down, they're still within the organization. In football, you get cut.

So when I'm going through the opening day rosters, checking attributes before I start my franchise...why the hell should I have 80 dudes on each team when in reality there are 53 per team?

Now in franchise I should have an expanded roster during the off-season. I don't have to start out with one, but if it's possible during the off-season then we have nothing to complain about.

[Jukeman]

Re: Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

Its like....Children Of The Corn in here....

You guys are very optimistic