Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

[Valdarez]

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For all of you out there wondering about the controls and responsiveness. Play the demo for yourself and be amazed!!! This game has just started a revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Responsiveness is fine, sensitivity for right analog stick is not. It's too sensitive on the downward motions (has to be nigh spot on). They need to give more leeway there, and less to the sides (in general).

[linkboy]

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Responsiveness is fine, sensitivity for right analog stick is not. It's too sensitive on the downward motions (has to be nigh spot on). They need to give more leeway there, and less to the sides (in general).

Try using the alternate control scheme, it uses the fact buttons instead of the stick (I find it much better for passing, can't throw a lob at all with the stick).

[Valdarez]

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I know the camera angle maybe a problem for most players especially playing from a birds view most of our gaming lives but I think with practice which is the key....practice it can be exciting and definitely immersive. We have to train ourselves to forget how the Madden and 2k views were and start fresh.

Or they could have simply provided multiple camera views and let gamers 'choose' how they wish to play the game. Why limit your audiences fun of the game unnecessarily? Makes absolutely no sense. Horrible design decision. Mark my words, they will lose sales over the camera angle alone.

[Valdarez]

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Try using the alternate control scheme, it uses the fact buttons instead of the stick (I find it much better for passing, can't throw a lob at all with the stick).

Thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely will do later on. Want to try to use the controls the way the developers wanted us to use them first.

I know after playing this that the movement makes Madden look like last years model. No wonder the guys over at EA are frantically working on locomotion!

[CreatineKasey]

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Or they could have simply provided multiple camera views and let gamers 'choose' how they wish to play the game. Why limit your audiences fun of the game unnecessarily? Makes absolutely no sense. Horrible design decision. Mark my words, they will lose sales over the camera angle alone.

I agree with this. I didn't think it'd be that big of a deal, but people really seem to be bothered by it. You know people are excessively positive during these early stages, so in a few months I expect people to be absolutely hating the camera.

[TheWatcher]

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To me, this camera view and its operations are a cross between First Person Football from NFL 2K4 and 2K5 (actually the core operational elements of the camera view are closely similar to 2K's FPF), Superstar mode in Madden and player lock in NCAA.

Now me personally, I've always liked those camera view concepts, but I find some extra difficulty with BB's because of the way the camera reacts to player movement. In my opinion, if a person doesn't like the types of views from the games I've mentioned, I doubt they'll like BackBreaker at all. The camera really does make a difference and it will be a deal-breaker for a lot of gamers.

That said, the in-the-trenches gamplay is definitely refreshing. You really have to be more on-point with timing than in other football games. If you make a false step you'll probably blow your assignment because recovery is not as simple or immediate as it is in other games. I like the risk-reward factor of that.

BackBreaker does a good job switching shots during replays. The first shot is usually a broadcast angle (something the other guys refuse to do for some convoluted reason), while the second shot tends to be a more on-the-field shot. What I think would've been great is if I could control the angle I want to see during auto-replays like what NBA Live did with 09, and I believe BCFX did this as well but I don't feel like popping the game in to check it right now...

Then there are the post-play angles. BackBreaker again does a better job than the other guy. NM chose an above waist, tight shot of the player post-play. The two presentation elements I mentioned are critical to presentation. The fact that they nailed this in a game that's not even broadcast-oriented says a lot more about the guys who aren't doing it properly...

You'll also notice that when a player is doing well in BB, he'll get that post-play shot above-waist with his stat card detailing his performance. It's really funny to me that on the first try in a game that's not even supposed to be broadcast, they can get this right, but the other game can't after 6 tries even though they claim to be broadcast...

I feel that in 2 more cycles, BackBreaker could be the best polygonal football game ever made. That time is not now however, but in a few more iterations I can definitely see it coming to fruition.

[lasthour]

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Played the game for a few hours last night and loved every minute of it. The camera angle just takes getting used to. You have to practice with the different positions, stay off the aggressive button and read the defense or offense pre-snap.

The only thing the God-view will do is make it easier to cheese and use exploits.

I like the nervousness the game can give you about being too aggressive. There is like a risk reward in using it. Also, this is what I thought next gen football should have always been like. This feels like THE advancement that the genre should have made in 2005. And the 4 teams feel different from each other.

Can't wait to get my hands on the full version. Some of you are not even giving the game a chance, but to each his own. Peace OS.

[fikedemon]

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Three years!!! You people have known about this camera for Three freakin years.If anything theyll maybe elevate the camera angle. Stop cryin and get your stick skills up. When running let go of the aggressive button read your blocks. Use the focus to see the field. When your quarterbacking read what the defense gives you and make you decisions accordingly. On defense thre focus button is your friend only go aggressive when you kno you got the player in your sights. If passing with the analog is too hard for you switch to the buttons. Simple.

[RaiderKtulu]

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I really really hope that they don't give in to the pressure to add more camera views. This game isn't meant to be played from God View. You're supposed to be down in the trenches in the middle of the action.

Just because God View has been the norm since 1992 or so doesn't make it the best option. People just don't like change. I'm sure if the internet had been widespread back then, there would have been people complaining about this new Madden game and it's overhead view being different from the Tecmo Bowl view they're used to.

[steelersfan7]

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After playing a few more games I am beginning to adapt to the camera view. The game is a challenge, makes you make quick decisions while passing. I really love the animations, most realistic I have seen. I have yet to see the same tackle and player animation, unlike madden where you see the same thing over and over. Definatly gonna get this.

[steelersfan7]

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Three years!!! You people have known about this camera for Three freakin years.If anything theyll maybe elevate the camera angle. Stop cryin and get your stick skills up. When running let go of the aggressive button read your blocks. Use the focus to see the field. When your quarterbacking read what the defense gives you and make you decisions accordingly. On defense thre focus button is your friend only go aggressive when you kno you got the player in your sights. If passing with the analog is too hard for you switch to the buttons. Simple.

You go!!! I agree, it aint that bad passing. I played on medium pro and had over 100 yards passing. Practice, practice, practice!!!!!!!! Thats all there is to it.

[fldash]

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You can bet your *** they aren't trying to be 'cute' with this camera angle. The game was designed for it, and it will not change. It may be tweaked but it won't be changed. I'm 100% fine with that. I think it would be nicer for it to be a little higher up... there are some videos from earlier when you could see the QBs whole body when dropping back, but in the demo it's zoomed in more where you can't. I'm 100% for God camera in replays tho...<div_prefs id="div_prefs"></div_prefs>

[Valdarez]

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Three years!!! You people have known about this camera for Three freakin years.If anything theyll maybe elevate the camera angle. Stop cryin and get your stick skills up. When running let go of the aggressive button read your blocks. Use the focus to see the field. When your quarterbacking read what the defense gives you and make you decisions accordingly. On defense thre focus button is your friend only go aggressive when you kno you got the player in your sights. If passing with the analog is too hard for you switch to the buttons. Simple.

And people have been saying they thought it would be problematic the entire time as well. Now we know it is. At the end of the day the developers should give folks a choice of how they want to play the game. Every respectable sports title from NHL, to NBA, to NFL provide multiple camera angles. Don't expect BackBreaker to get a pass on it by providing the worst camera angle available and trying to pass it off as the 'best way to play the game'. I can't believe the company is willing to forgo $$$ to push a single camera angle game experience. Makes no business sense, or even game design sense for that matter.

[brezz2001]

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I guess one thing I don't understand is when to use focus and when not to. Can anyone explain the point of focus? Also, I'm assuming aggressiveness is more like "turbo", is this true?

Brian

[Clemalum2007]

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Madden= God Cam= Aim Assist= MW2= less realistic/easier= little kiddies enjoy it because they think they are worth a crap.

Backbreaker= On field Cam= No Aim Assist= BF 2= More realistic/harder= little kiddies dont like it because it is challenging.

That sums up my thoughts so far.