Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

[K_GUN]

Re: Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

Im not sure about this, as to why I am asking.

The demo storage size was rather small so is it possible to dumb down the AI to get a smaller demo size?

doubtful

too much risk for a 'failed demo' if thats the case

[hatisback]

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No you're not sounding like a jerk by saying that.I'm just hoping there are ways to improve this and I would be very pleased with the game.This one thing is something that would kill the game IMO if the A.I. is really that bad for the computer offense.

Thats what I just thought about. The demo help thread states he is the best QB in that particular league. We might be playing with the worst league in the game. These teams are probably the first league you are in in Road to Backbreaker.

[bkrich83]

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Not trying to sound like a jerk or anything, but people keep complaining about that. Indianapolis is rated in the 70's on offense. Wagoner might be the best QB in the demo, but I doubt he is even the middle of the field on the final build.

That's a fair guess. But even if he is in the middle of the pack, the rate at which I have seen the CPU throw INT"s at such a rate.

Even the worst QB's in most leagues won't throw 3 INT's in 4 minutes of gameplay. At least not on a semi-regular basis.

[hatisback]

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That's a fair guess. But even if he is in the middle of the pack, the rate at which I have seen the CPU throw INT"s at such a rate.

Even the worst QB's in most leagues won't throw 3 INT's in 4 minutes of gameplay. At least not on a semi-regular basis.

To what extreme are we talking about? Are you talking about the NFL average of things or a fictional league where this might be the norm. Some of the offenses in there are rated in the 40's. If lets say, a QB in the 90's in this game throws lets say Drew Brees number, what would a 40 something rated quarterback do?

[bkrich83]

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To what extreme are we talking about? Are you talking about the NFL average of things or a fictional league where this might be the norm. Some of the offenses in there are rated in the 40's. If lets say, a QB in the 90's in this game throws lets say Drew Brees number, what would a 40 something rated quarterback do?

In what league ever would throwing 3 picks in 4 minutes ever be considered with in the realm of normality?

Come on, I understand the need to defend the game, but let's stay in the realms of reality when doing so.

[NoDakHusker]

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To what extreme are we talking about? Are you talking about the NFL average of things or a fictional league where this might be the norm. Some of the offenses in there are rated in the 40's. If lets say, a QB in the 90's in this game throws lets say Drew Brees number, what would a 40 something rated quarterback do?

He'd be worse than Ryan Leaf.
Is that possible?

[gr18]

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I would really like to see the breakdown of ratings per position.When you check the depth chart you see the basic 4 and there were supposed to be at least a couple others per position stated in a thread at the Backbreaker forum from awhile back.I would be alright if there was a fix based on players ratings in a customized league.

Also I've been staying away from the poor teams in the demo and only playing Indy and Pittsburgh for the most part.I was taking Indy but started to play against them in hopes I would see a vastly superior result.Which I really didn't unfortunately.

[Dudd]

Re: Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

Im not sure about this, as to why I am asking.

The demo storage size was rather small so is it possible to dumb down the AI to get a smaller demo size?

Highly, highly doubt it. First, creating an AI routine is a lot of hard work, to create a second, slimmed down version for the demo would take even more time (although given how terrible it is, maybe not). But secondly and more important, AI code doesn't take up a lot of disk space, it's just words. Art, game assets, video, music, that's what takes up a ton of disk space, not the AI routines.

[hatisback]

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In what league ever would throwing 3 picks in 4 minutes ever be considered with in the realm of normality?

Come on, I understand the need to defend the game, but let's stay in the realms of reality when doing so.

LOL Dont get me wrong. I would like NFL numbers.....definitely. Im not defending anything. Just giving a different point of view.

[bkrich83]

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LOL Dont get me wrong. I would like NFL numbers.....definitely. Im not defending anything. Just giving a different point of view.

Right, but NFL, College, HS, Pee Wee, at no level would 3 picks in 4 minutes of game play be considered normal. So I am not sure what your point of view would be.

[hatisback]

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Right, but NFL, College, HS, Pee Wee, at no level would 3 picks in 4 minutes of game play be considered normal. So I am not sure what your point of view would be.

Well, for instance, in Madden the difference in ratings for starting QB's is on the norm of about 20 points. In Backbreaker, it could be 50 for all we know. Thats a long stretch down when it comes to performance.

Play against a 40 rated quarterback in Madden and see if hes just as bad.

[Jackdog]

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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...e-posting.html

Pared has already given you guys one warning. This is it. Anymore Madden comparisons and your gone. Post your impressions of Backbreaker.

[mgoblue678]

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This can't be true....

How are we suppose to seperate player ability with only 4 ratings

That seems pretty bland if you ask me

I am not sure that is true. The devs stated on at least a couple of occasions that there were position related ratings beyond the general ones.

If I had to guess I think they just made the position related ratings not viewable in the demo. At this is what I am going with until we play the final game since the devs did state there was position related ratings at least a couple of times.

The offensive ai continues to frustrate me in the demo however, everything thing else is pretty good, but the offensive ai isn't cutting it. Too many picks and sacks.

[hatisback]

Re: Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...e-posting.html

Pared has already given you guys one warning. This is it. Anymore Madden comparisons and your gone. Post your impressions of Backbreaker.

Im sorry, but Im not really comparing the games....just the ratings and trying to make sense of things since we are still trying to figure out the ratings and the difference between a 40 something QB and a 90 something QB and what impact that may have.

[bkrich83]

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Well, for instance, in Madden the difference in ratings for starting QB's is on the norm of about 20 points. In Backbreaker, it could be 50 for all we know. Thats a long stretch down when it comes to performance.

Play against a 40 rated quarterback in Madden and see if hes just as bad.

Ratings stretches don't mean anything here.

In no way shape or form at any level of play would 3 or 4 picks in 4 minutes of game time be considered normal. I have seen it from the CPU in this game on more than one occasion. That's where my fear about CPU QB play comes from.

If that is in fact the case where it happens often in the release version of the game there is simply no way you could justify that as normal. No matter if you are replicating the NFL, High School or any level.