Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

[MC Fatigue]

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I've only played a few games, I didn't even know the demo was out until last night when I just happened to go to the demo section and saw it, but it's pretty cool.

Camera doesn't bother me right now at all, but maybe it will after more playing.

The main thing I had fun with was smooth animations and no apparent gliding or freezing. One example was when I was close to the end zone, running up the sideline, and I saw a defender come out to my left side. I decided to make a dive for it because I wasn't going to quite make it running, and my guy flew towards the end zone with the ball out.

Now in Madden what usually happened was there would be a split second freeze before the jump, and the defender would do the same thing. The worst part is that usually the defender would shift the way he was running at that point to almost directly sideways and would jump behind me and out of bounds, while my guy flipped into the end zone. Happened all the time.

In this one, there was no freeze and the defender kept his angle and hit me right as the ball was crossing the plane. He wrapped me up and we went rolling out of bounds, but I had just gotten the ball in. It was absolutely awesome.

The main thing was that it was just really, really smooth. No gliding, no freezing, no sudden directional changes.

[Bears_16_and_0]

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Well guys I literally can't play this game due to the horrendous blur after every tackle. I played it yesterday only to walk away with a killer headache that took nearly a full day to get over. I've never played a game that constantly blurred like BackBreaker is doing. I have something called keratoconus, which is the deterioration of the cornea...

pfft, didnt stop you from getting 100k gamer points =P do you use gamefly for that?

As far as the game, its pretty cool. I wish the replays were a little faster though. Like start the play at the good part. I dont need to see 3 cuts on a dive up the middle. I just wanna see the tackle =P IM terrible at passing, I always mess up when trying to change targets. One huge limiting factor I see is the playbooks... Is there gonna be more than a handful of plays in the real game?

[Erorrless]

only one comment.
i hope they overtake the NFL license!

[RaiderKtulu]

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OK, I a few questions for all of the camera defenders (especially for the ones who keep calling it "sim"), and I would really like someone to answer the questions in my post and not just ramble another canned "God Cam" answer.

1.) In real life, do the the quarterbacks receivers glow red when he looks at them? Can he see his plays diagrammed on the field when he pushes the Right Bumper? Can he put after-touch on the ball AFTER it's released?

2.) Do you consider NBA 2K10 a "sim" basketball game? If so, then does it NOT become a "sim" basketball game if I play on the side camera instead of the camera that goes up and down? Am I NOT a "sim" gamer for playing on the side camera instead of the one that goes up and down?

3.) What in the world is so horribly wrong about people requesting OPTIONS as far as the camera goes? I simply can't see how you can reasonably argue someone wanting the OPTION to change their camera. If these are the cameras we get by default, then so be it, but I should have the OPTION to change it if I want to. Plain. And. Simple.

I simply don't see how you can truthfully answer any one of my questions and still try to make your Backbreaker "sim cam"/whatever defenses valid. It is a video game, not everything is going to be exactly as in real life. If you want to be right down on the field just like you are actually playing, then go train and put on some pads and try out for your local team. Some things are always going to be a little unrealistic when you are playing a video game, I don't understand why some continue to ignore that, actually I do, but I'll keep quiet because I don't wanna get banned.

The glowing can be turned off.

The real reason behind this whole issue is that people want Backbreaker to be "Madden with Physics". Backbreaker is trying to be it's own game. They specifically designed this game around using this camera angle. Those of us that like it feel that it's more realistic.
We could argue about that all day and never get anywhere.

BUT

Complaining about not having the option of another camera angle is like complaining that you can't play God of War from a first person view. It's like complaining that Oblivion uses a different combat system than Final Fantasy 7. They're both RPGs, shouldn't they play the same? Well... no.

[granddogg]

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guys take the camra crap some place else this is about the game impression not if its sim or not...camra wise. p.s the cpu is getting better.

[Illustrator76]

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The glowing can be turned off.

The real reason behind this whole issue is that people want Backbreaker to be "Madden with Physics". Backbreaker is trying to be it's own game. They specifically designed this game around using this camera angle. Those of us that like it feel that it's more realistic.
We could argue about that all day and never get anywhere.

BUT

Complaining about not having the option of another camera angle is like complaining that you can't play God of War from a first person view. It's like complaining that Oblivion uses a different combat system than Final Fantasy 7. They're both RPGs, shouldn't they play the same? Well... no.

I appreciate your response, but you only chose to answer one part of one of my questions. If this game is so "sim", what about after-touch on the ball? That is totally unrealistic. You can argue that you don't have to use it, but: A.) That seems like a big component of the passing game and B.) I can say the same thing about including extra camera views that some people don't consider "sim".

Also, I never once made a comparison to EA's football game and Backbreaker.

[roadman]

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guys take the camra crap some place else this is about the game impression not if its sim or not...camra wise. p.s the cpu is getting better.

Who put you in charge of things?

The only thing right is that it's an impression thread, which, people can express their likes and dislikes about the camera or anything else about the game.

And sim or not sim is a part of an impression of the game.

[RaiderKtulu]

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I appreciate your response, but you only chose to answer one part of one of my questions. If this game is so "sim", what about after-touch on the ball? That is totally unrealistic. You can argue that you don't have to use it, but: A.) That seems like a big component of the passing game and B.) I can say the same thing about including extra camera views that some people don't consider "sim".

Also, I never once made a comparison to EA's football game and Backbreaker.

The "aftertouch" thing has been in other games too. Is there really a good way to let the user aim a pass, without doing what Fever did and having a target on the field? How would you make passing more "sim" on a standard PS3/360 controller? I guess maybe you could take the Geometry Wars approach and have the user move the stick in the exact direction they want to throw, but that'd be incredibly frustrating, and I have no doubt there'd be issues whenever you had multiple receivers in the same general area.

[Demoncrom]

I appreciate your response, but you only chose to answer one part of one of my questions. If this game is so "sim", what about after-touch on the ball? That is totally unrealistic. You can argue that you don't have to use it, but: A.) That seems like a big component of the passing game and B.) I can say the same thing about including extra camera views that some people don't consider "sim".

Also, I never once made a comparison to EA's football game and Backbreaker.

Like anything else Sim is relative, these are still video games so some advantages have to be given tot he player. The after touch at least in my opinion is only slight and not something new to football games, if I recall properly 2k5 had the ability to lead the pass or something of that nature. Does that make it any less sim?

As for the camera it's a matter of preference and lots of people are not going to like it. I don't mind it that much because it makes things more hectic for me, but even in Madden you cannot see all the receivers at the same time, if you go to shotgun and have 2 of the 4 receivers run outs you wont see either of them when they make the break, in that sense being able to focus your view at least for me actually feels better. Again some people just won't like it and to make sales they may have to add it in, online though I would say it should be one or the other - both players should use the same view, everyone gets the same disadvantage.

For people who like the game thus far but have issues with the camera I have found that the more you play it the more you get used to it,

Note for all on the running game. I am finding the running in this game to be more satisfaction than in Madden - for the most part the blocks that should be held up are being held and when Im running 2 tight ends against a 3-4 I know I have the advantage for a few quick yards - as I should.unless they got 4 great LBs back there.

[Illustrator76]

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Like anything else Sim is relative, these are still video games so some advantages have to be given tot he player. The after touch at least in my opinion is only slight and not something new to football games, if I recall properly 2k5 had the ability to lead the pass or something of that nature. Does that make it any less sim?

As for the camera it's a matter of preference and lots of people are not going to like it. I don't mind it that much because it makes things more hectic for me, but even in Madden you cannot see all the receivers at the same time, if you go to shotgun and have 2 of the 4 receivers run outs you wont see either of them when they make the break, in that sense being able to focus your view at least for me actually feels better. Again some people just won't like it and to make sales they may have to add it in, online though I would say it should be one or the other - both players should use the same view, everyone gets the same disadvantage.

For people who like the game thus far but have issues with the camera I have found that the more you play it the more you get used to it,

Note for all on the running game. I am finding the running in this game to be more satisfaction than in Madden - for the most part the blocks that should be held up are being held and when Im running 2 tight ends against a 3-4 I know I have the advantage for a few quick yards - as I should.unless they got 4 great LBs back there.

Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense.

I just can't see how any reasonable thinking person can argue against OPTIONS, especially in this sports gaming world where we want full customization and sliders for EVERYTHING.....Lets be able to alter every aspect of a players contract, lets be able to set ticket prices, lets be able to alter uniform artwork, stadium artwork and rosters, lets be able to set hot dog prices, let's be able to change the gameplay camera view.......woah woah wait a minute, slow down there feller, NOW you are going too far. It doesn't make sense.

[granddogg]

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i just love breaking up the back and forth... p.s loving the camra man i love it...

[fldash]

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Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense.

So now we are dictating what is fun to other people based on what we like? To many the camera is FUN as it puts you in the action. To others it's not because it feels restrictive and annoying. That's just the way it goes, the camera won't change, the Devs have talked about the camera from the start saying that the game was designed around it. Unfortunately, some people won't like it, or get used to it, and they won't pay BB. That's no one's fault, just the nature of playing what you like.

[Illustrator76]

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So now we are dictating what is fun to other people based on what we like? To many the camera is FUN as it puts you in the action. To others it's not because it feels restrictive and annoying. That's just the way it goes, the camera won't change, the Devs have talked about the camera from the start saying that the game was designed around it. Unfortunately, some people won't like it, or get used to it, and they won't pay BB. That's no one's fault, just the nature of playing what you like.

I'm not dictating anything to anyone, I'm simply saying that options are good, and that you are not wrong for liking the camera and I am not wrong for hating it. There should be a solution that should appease us both; The Backbreaker devs severely dropped the ball on this one, and I feel that they are going to pay dearly for it. It sucks because the physics and graphics are very good and the game has potential.

[turftickler]

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Guys, after a considerable amount of playing the Backbreaker demo, I have come to a few conclusions regarding the camera mode. I will have my thoughts on the camera mode for you all soon.

I will let it be known to all. The camera mode needs to stay. WE just have to get used to it. I couldn't run to save my life last night, but I continued to practice running on every team in the demo and now I can hold my own. Another thing. Every game will have some sort of exploits, bugs, glitches, but from what I have seen and felt so far with the BB demo, I am flat out loving it, issues and all.

My question is. Do you want realistic football or do you want to be able to control everything from a camera that shows everything and everyone. If want the God-view or birds eye view camera, the play a different game. I want real football and I finally have it after ESPN NFL 2k5.

[Demoncrom]

Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense.

I just can't see how any reasonable thinking person can argue against OPTIONS, especially in this sports gaming world where we want full customization and sliders for EVERYTHING.....Lets be able to alter every aspect of a players contract, lets be able to set ticket prices, lets be able to alter uniforms artwork, stadiums artwork and rosters, lets be able to set hot dog prices, let's be able to change the gameplay camera view.......woah woah wait a minute, slow down there feller, NOW you are going too far. it doesn't make sense.

Point well taken, I can see why some people will not play it just because of the camera angle.

On the other hand I am a big fan of Football in general I can't get enough of the stuff, but I am also a gamer and have been for a long time. I usually buy NCAA to play for a month before Madden hits only because the style of college ball differs from pro. I play Madden during the season cause I want my Bears to win the title every year and Madden is the only game in town but it's not always the most fun game in town. Then I go back to All Pro 8 during the off season because to me it's a fun game, back breaker will replace Ap8 in my rotation this year.

I remember when Madden tried to play with the cam angle and everyone said go back to the classic view. I also remember when the isometric view was the only way to play football and it took people a while to accept Maddens view. BB to me takes 2k4s failed on field 1st person view and Madden very boring Superstar modes and makes it into a playable game.

The sad thing about people not wanting to learn how to play other football games or not willing to accept a change is that it limits the options for all of us. In the end - a game like BB if successful will give EA yet another reason to get off the pot. I am all for that.

Based on the number or lack of players on these forums and the range of comments and lack of advertising BB is going to have an uphill road - but me Im buying it 1st day and I will put all my peoples on to it, just like I did with 2k and Gameday before that.