Basketball is NOT Hockey

**Playmakers** · 05-27-2010, 02:10 PM

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Does anything EA do at times make any sense Da_Czar?

That's like asking a Baseball Guru to discuss Football on Sundays

But hey maybe the hockey guy is flexible

**loadleft** · 05-27-2010, 02:10 PM

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Czar, as I said in the other thread you said exactly what I attempted to say. I share your concerns as well as nervous optimism.

**mvb34** · 05-27-2010, 02:12 PM

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I hope we get some solid info at E3..

**rockchisler** · 05-27-2010, 02:13 PM

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I have to take the wait and see approach

**dexvex** · 05-27-2010, 02:18 PM

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lol that comment is pissing people off but its definitely true and I could take you to my gym to prove it. That being said the same could be said by soccer fans for lives producer moving over so I don't think it matters much.

**Da_Czar** · 05-27-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by rockchisler

I have to take the wait and see approach

I know you have to Rock but you have to admit when the creative director is saying things like this....

Creative director for NBA Elite 11 David Littman, who has made the NHL series at EA a huge success, said that, "Now, if someone makes a shot from half court, you can't get mad because it's entirely skill-based.

Its not looking good fam ! This is coming from guy who stood up for live when it was not popular to do so.

Its starting to become clear why some of last years team are no longer present. Skill based half court shots... a new feature...

**Da_Czar** · 05-27-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by dexvex

lol that comment is pissing people off but its definitely true and I could take you to my gym to prove it. That being said the same could be said by soccer fans for lives producer moving over so I don't think it matters much.

So the person setting the creative direction for a franchise doesn't matter much ? is that your point ? Seriously ?

**rockchisler** · 05-27-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Da_Czar

I know you have to Rock but you have to admit when the creative director is saying things like this....

Creative director for NBA Elite 11 David Littman, who has made the NHL series at EA a huge success, said that, "Now, if someone makes a shot from half court, you can't get mad because it's entirely skill-based.

Its not looking good fam ! This is coming from guy who stood up for live when it was not popular to do so.

Its starting to become clear why some of last years team are no longer present. Skill based half court shots... a new feature...

Oh I feel you on that definitely, I think He should have not used that sentence when Talking about the right stick. I know he is the Creative Director But I believe with the other people that are working on the game it can still be good (hopefully). Also If Yaw made this statement nobody would be saying a word...

**dexvex** · 05-27-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Da_Czar

So the person setting the creative direction for a franchise doesn't matter much ? is that your point ? Seriously ?

Maybe I should've worded it differently but in video games the creative director does basically nothing more than say **** like" I want you guys to make the most realistic game possible..blah...blah....blah" Then he comes and check in every now and then to make sure you are following the vision. The person who would matter the most would be the Gameplay Producer who is actually in the programmers/artists/QA face all day.

**Da_Czar** · 05-27-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by rockchisler

Oh I feel you on that definitely, I think He should have not used that sentence when Talking about the right stick. I know he is the Creative Director But I believe with the other people that are working on the game it can still be good (hopefully). Also If Yaw made this statement nobody would be saying a word...

Originally posted by dexvex

Maybe I should've worded it differently but in video games the creative director does basically nothing more than say **** like" I want you guys to make the most realistic game possible..blah...blah....blah" Then he comes and check in every now and then to make sure you are following the vision. The person who would matter the most would be the Gameplay Producer who is actually in the programmers/artists/QA face all day.

Men I do understand where your coming from Yes its too early to write them off but I am more than comfortable saying I am uncomfortable with this directions we are talking about EA here. Right ? Do you really trust them like that.

Also if that statement was made alone on an island then fine. But you had a really basketball first gameplay producer jump ship and say they are headed in a new direction. Then the hockey man comes in and brings with him skill based scoring that worked really really well in hockey and soccer... but my point is Basketball is not hockey family and you do me and the other basketball fans a disservice by placing someone who is not familiar with the game in the position of having your gameplay producers have to convince him that certain things should be in the game.

Over the last couple of years I Have received a first hand view of the positions in sports game development and believe me he does much more than just say make a nice game. YOu have to submit to him your designs and if he does not understand or approve it does not make it in the game.

Consider everything that happend last year and how the game regressed with each patch... COnsider who left ... what they said and consider what your reading now..... I have seen EA do this before... This is a marketing blitz the likes of which we HAVE seen before.... I Love the game of Basketball and if its not taken seriously I have a right to not be happy about that.

**mvb34** · 05-27-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by dexvex

Maybe I should've worded it differently but in video games the creative director does basically nothing more than say **** like" I want you guys to make the most realistic game possible..blah...blah....blah" Then he comes and check in every now and then to make sure you are following the vision. The person who would matter the most would be the Gameplay Producer who is actually in the programmers/artists/QA face all day.

A creative director is a position usually found within the film, fashion, advertising, media or entertainment industries, but may be useful in other creative organizations such as web development and software development firms as well. The job entails overseeing all aspects of product design.
In advertising, this means branding and advertising for a client and ensuring that the new branding and advertising fits in with the client's requirements and the image they wish to promote for their company or product. The main aspects of this role are to interpret a client's communications strategy and then develop proposed creative approaches and treatments that align with that strategy. Another is to initiate and stimulate creative ideas for and from everyone involved in the creative process.
In other industries, such as videogames, a creative director is responsible for the design, vision and direction of the product, which is a different role to that of a producer or project manager. Creative directors are sometimes also called lead designer or chief creative officers depending on the specific company in question.

**Da_Czar** · 05-27-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by dexvex

lol that comment is pissing people off but its definitely true and I could take you to my gym to prove it. That being said the same could be said by soccer fans for lives producer moving over so I don't think it matters much.

Dev I don't want to go into semantics here but I'm sure you understand the skills required to make halfcourt shots in basketball in real life and doing so in a video game are in no way comparable and you and Both know there will be some jobber teaching everyone how to do just that... LOL it will be like that commercial with Jordan and I forget who else and they were playing horse and shooting shots off the backboard and outside and well you know the rest man...

**dexvex** · 05-27-2010, 03:00 PM

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^^ Although I do work in the industry I never worked for EA or sports at all so I guess I have to take your word on that but I still don't have my red flags up(yet). While "elite" may be a horrible name I can definitely see why they felt they had to change it considering how last year went(better game,worst sales) so I'm not reading too much into this "new direction" talk, because at this stage they pretty much have to say that . I must say though after playing Backbreaker I am very excited to see EA's implementation of real time physics. So im still at a wait-and-see stance.

**dexvex** · 05-27-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by mvb34

A creative director is a position usually found within the film, fashion, advertising, media or entertainment industries, but may be useful in other creative organizations such as web development and software development firms as well. The job entails overseeing all aspects of product design.
In advertising, this means branding and advertising for a client and ensuring that the new branding and advertising fits in with the client's requirements and the image they wish to promote for their company or product. The main aspects of this role are to interpret a client's communications strategy and then develop proposed creative approaches and treatments that align with that strategy. Another is to initiate and stimulate creative ideas for and from everyone involved in the creative process.
In other industries, such as videogames, a creative director is responsible for the design, vision and direction of the product, which is a different role to that of a producer or project manager. Creative directors are sometimes also called lead designer or chief creative officers depending on the specific company in question.

LMAO While I appreciate the wiki entry you are misled if you think they are that involved. There are guys like Kojima, Miyamoto, Molyneux, Timmy S that are Warlocks but most are not.

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