New NHL 11 Details via OXM

[Splitter77]

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Well at least there is always next year. And yeah I am sure Thomas will be a beast! Any way relax, you can dish it out, but you can't take it. You might want to not mess with me first then. lol Any way I still hope it is a goalie, the goalie needs major love in this game and puck physics.

Thomas for Murray???

[Splitter77]

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And how far did your team go?

they only pulled off the biggest choke in NHL history. haha.

Nothing against the Sharks. Theyll just never win with Thornton and Nabokov there.

[aBiNeR1]

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You realize that they do have other teams that work on just tech and engine upgrades and the like right? They didn't release an NHL game the first year on 360 and PS3, and to be honest I think thats a big reason why so far the game has become so improved on this console cycle, they took the time to get the foundation solid before even shipping a game.

Yes I realize features usually end up getting readded that were already in prior on last gen, I also realize I'd rather they rebuild from the ground up when applicable rather than do what 2k does and rely on port jobs or flat out milk a core engine til its on death's door like they have with NHL, MLB and NBA, theres only so much spit and polish you can add before the core needs either major code updates or flat out replacement, its pretty sad when you can pick out code or instances from NHL2k3-2k4 in NHL2k10, sadly the ship has passed on their hockey game and nearly passed on their MLB game. It really comes down to which would you perfer? Innovation like we got with EA's skill stick and the EASHL or a retread with slightly better graphics ala 2k where they then scramble to improve the title and catch up usually leaving any sort of polish or solid refinement on the cutting room floor? Me I'll take the former any day of the week.

But like I said, if you don't find the game has improved enough on a year to year basis, its simple don't buy it. Rather than sarcastically pick the title apart each year, just don't buy it.

Understood about "choosing the lesser of two evils". As fans of the sport, some of us like to offer alternative ways of delivering these products. Since obviously there's too much to test over one year, doesn't logic demand investigating a different delivery approach for the good of the entire community?

I realize some of us don't want to rock the boat and be conservative (the "it is what it is" mentality) but others are more aggressive. If it is a crime to choose the second approach on this forum, I guess you need to have users like me removed.

[Scottdau]

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they only pulled off the biggest choke in NHL history. haha.

Nothing against the Sharks. Theyll just never win with Thornton and Nabokov there.

I disagree those are not the problems. Joe and Nabby can win a cup. OH well back to the EA contest btween Realm and ABin.

[RealmK]

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Understood about "choosing the lesser of two evils". As fans of the sport, some of us like to offer alternative ways of delivering these products. Since obviously there's too much to test over one year, doesn't logic demand investigating a different delivery approach for the good of the entire community?

I realize some of us don't want to rock the boat and be conservative (the "it is what it is" mentality) but others are more aggressive. If it is a crime to choose the second approach on this forum, I guess you need to have users like me removed.

I hear where you're coming from, I just think there's a more constructive way to get your point across is all.

[aBiNeR1]

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I hear where you're coming from, I just think there's a more constructive way to get your point across is all.

The comments I placed in this thread are not acceptable? What do you suggest...harsh language?

[RealmK]

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The comments I placed in this thread are not acceptable? What do you suggest...harsh language?

Oh c'mon, I think you know what I mean. comments like "Since obviously there's too much to test over one year, doesn't logic demand investigating a different delivery approach for the good of the entire community?" sounds about as mocking as can be. Again we don't know how long the new physics engine has been in the works, who knows, maybe its been in the works since 07 shipped for all we know?

Want another? "You do realize however that EA re-writes the entire game in a year whenever there is a new platform to support it on correct?" Really? you don't think its possible that they have dev kits for new systems ahead of time and are able to start building a title prior to a console launch?

Its the tone of your posts, that sort of "I know the inner workings at EA and I'm mad things aren't done like I want them to be"

I'll be the first person to agree with you that there are times where EA Sports titles don't progress enough from year to year, but give some credit where its due in the case of the NHL sku, its done nothing but gotten better since 07 and it appears that it very well make a major leap forward this year should all this physics engine talk pans out the way we'd hope it does.

[Bama83]

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Abiner,

I'm not going to say who is wrong or right, but your posts can come across as slightly condescending and arrogant.

You post in a tone and manner that is off-putting.

Perhaps you're right. Perhaps not.

[aBiNeR1]

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Oh c'mon, I think you know what I mean. comments like "Since obviously there's too much to test over one year, doesn't logic demand investigating a different delivery approach for the good of the entire community?" sounds about as mocking as can be. Again we don't know how long the new physics engine has been in the works, who knows, maybe its been in the works since 07 shipped for all we know?

Want another? "You do realize however that EA re-writes the entire game in a year whenever there is a new platform to support it on correct?" Really? you don't think its possible that they have dev kits for new systems ahead of time and are able to start building a title prior to a console launch?

Its the tone of your posts, that sort of "I know the inner workings at EA and I'm mad things aren't done like I want them to be"

I'll be the first person to agree with you that there are times where EA Sports titles don't progress enough from year to year, but give some credit where its due in the case of the NHL sku, its done nothing but gotten better since 07 and it appears that it very well make a major leap forward this year should all this physics engine talk pans out the way we'd hope it does.

Not mocking at all.

Annual bug counts are going up every year (everyone sees them in their day-to-day delving into the application). There are also tons of usability issues (can't even count anymore how many people have brought up how much they dislike navigating through the menus). And online? I'm not going there.

Thus, since Littman quite often states publically how they have a small team and lack resources, the only other logical conclusion is one year is not enough time inbetween releases. If it's mocking to suggest alternatives to the now ancient annual release methodology (which EA wrote the book on by the way), well, there's nothing else I can say.

For many years, I interfaced with EA forum members and former Community Managers. When you see and report the same bugs in 3 years worth of releases (meaning they never fixed it), I guess it takes a toll on a person eventually.

Have I been sarcastic/condenscending in the past after years and years of frustration? Naaaaa.

[infinityBCRT]

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You realize that they do have other teams that work on just tech and engine upgrades and the like right? They didn't release an NHL game the first year on 360 and PS3, and to be honest I think thats a big reason why so far the game has become so improved on this console cycle, they took the time to get the foundation solid before even shipping a game..

They only started working on NHL 07 on Xbox 360 after 06 shipped.

[RealmK]

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They only started working on NHL 07 on Xbox 360 after 06 shipped.

I was under the impression EA Montreal handled 06.

[RealmK]

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Not mocking at all.

Annual bug counts are going up every year (everyone sees them in their day-to-day delving into the application). There are also tons of usability issues (can't even count anymore how many people have brought up how much they dislike navigating through the menus). And online? I'm not going there.

Thus, since Littman quite often states publically how they have a small team and lack resources, the only other logical conclusion is one year is not enough time inbetween releases. If it's mocking to suggest alternatives to the now ancient annual release methodology (which EA wrote the book on by the way), well, there's nothing else I can say.

For many years, I interfaced with EA forum members and former Community Managers. When you see and report the same bugs in 3 years worth of releases (meaning they never fixed it), I guess it takes a toll on a person eventually.

Have I been sarcastic/condenscending in the past after years and years of frustration? Naaaaa.

Funny never noticed anyone complain about the menus or navigating online. You sure you're not talking about that abysmal mess of a menu system that 2k Nav has become?

Again though if you can't see the actual improvements, and are so focused on the negative all the time (which the majority of your post are the last couple years) it shouldn't be much of a surprise when people notice a sarcastic or condescending tone to your post now should it?

[aBiNeR1]

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Funny never noticed anyone complain about the menus or navigating online. You sure you're not talking about that abysmal mess of a menu system that 2k Nav has become?

Again though if you can't see the actual improvements, and are so focused on the negative all the time (which the majority of your post are the last couple years) it shouldn't be much of a surprise when people notice a sarcastic or condescending tone to your post now should it?

By all means, revert to comments made spanning two years in support of your viewpoint. The fact remains, all I asked was a question.

Point taken regarding not buying the product. Thanks.

Oh, and I'm glad someone else stepped up with regards to NHL 07 being developed only after 06 shipped...a cumulative code re-write with full regression testing in only one year. Like I said previously, it's just a 3 year wait and $180 in costs to get most of the functionality back.

[RealmK]

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By all means, revert to comments made spanning two years in support of your viewpoint. The fact remains, all I asked was a question.

Point taken regarding not buying the product. Thanks.

Oh, and I'm glad someone else stepped up with regards to NHL 07 being developed only after 06 shipped...a cumulative code re-write with full regression testing in only one year. Like I said previously, it's just a 3 year wait and $180 in costs to get most of the functionality back.

Its kinda just stating the obvious, you're generally extremely negative about EA Sports is all. And I still seem to recall it was EA Montreal that worked on 06 for PS2/Xbox1 and PC? Though I could be completely wrong on that one. At any rate there wasn't an EA NHL game year one on 360 while 2k ported over 2k6 pretty much directly even adding new glitches like the money shrug goal.

I still think that even if it was just a year turn around what 07 was being a new core was still a far better way to do it. And really no one is holding a gun to your head to pony up $180 dollars to buy every year, if having a 3 year plan or what not bothers you so much just buy it once on the last year of the cycle. Personally for me the game has improved every year since 07, not always drastically mind you, but improved none the less. Obviously YMMV.

[infinityBCRT]

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I was under the impression EA Montreal handled 06.

No, EA Montreal handled 07.