Madden NFL 11 Introduces Online Scouting

[Joeyland]

2k introduced it, Madden finally got around to it.

[CreatineKasey]

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I'm wondering what other kinds of things they will sell with these coins.

[mrprice33]

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I really hope the coins are easy enough to earn in-game. If this is something where we're going to end up having to buy this functionality, that's a bad thing. Honestly, this functionality should be in-game as a feature, especially if they're trying to treat online as a "value-add" proposition.

[Tengo Juego]

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I'm not sure theres anything that they could've announced, that I could care less about.

I would have much rather seen these stats/tendencies in a more robust player profile tracker. Kinda like V.I.P. in the 2K games.

[cdiddy71323]

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YAWN!!!! Who cares? What was that stat that Ian said about how many people played online one time and never did again? Earning coins? Are we playing Mario now or something? Focus on fixing the gameplay more, smooth out the online experience for those who do play online and be done with it. The only people that I do play online is my friends, and after about 2 games, I can get a good feel for them. Oh, but they are smart and change their gameplay up game to game depending on what team they use. Which defeats the purpose of scouting then. Just look at The Show. I have never taken that game online because I don't need to. With the right slider set, the game is almost flawless, and a lot of fun against the computer.

It's starting to annoy me that they work on things like this instead of focusing on the core gameplay and making it look as smooth as possible. This is a very small niche market of people that this will reach, yet it's obviously one of their new key selling points. ANd you know they are going to waste a whole blog on this as well, which takes away another week of something good we may get

[Cusefan]

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YAWN!!!! Who cares? What was that stat that Ian said about how many people played online one time and never did again? Earning coins? Are we playing Mario now or something? Focus on fixing the gameplay more, smooth out the online experience for those who do play online and be done with it. The only people that I do play online is my friends, and after about 2 games, I can get a good feel for them. Oh, but they are smart and change their gameplay up game to game depending on what team they use. Which defeats the purpose of scouting then. Just look at The Show. I have never taken that game online because I don't need to. With the right slider set, the game is almost flawless, and a lot of fun against the computer.

It's starting to annoy me that they work on things like this instead of focusing on the core gameplay and making it look as smooth as possible. This is a very small niche market of people that this will reach, yet it's obviously one of their new key selling points

Very small niche market eh? Online Gaming is huge...

I really hope you do not have to spend coin to see what plays people pick when deciding an opponent you want to play.

[tlc12576]

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WTF? LOL!

2013 can't get here fast enough for me!Leave it to EA to take a perfectly good NFL sim idea like the VIP system and splice it up and make you do ish to use it.This is really unbelievable to me.Then some of you guys on here are actually excited about it.With all due respect,with faithful consumers like this,Im really lucky Madden even has a no strings attached offline franchise.

If they annouced a weekly recap show with video being added to the presentation and said you had to unlock it by shutting out all 32 teams on All Madden,some of you think that would be great too huh?

This does not address the true problem with playing cheeser/glitchers inonline ranked games.Knowing what people do is just the beginning.You know that much 5 minutes into the game.The real issue is making basic NFL football aspects work correctly in Madden so the cheese and glitch plays are not effective.If you get any kind of infestation in your home,ants,rats roaches etc,the first thing to do is cut off the food supply.If the devs would simply make playing unrealistically,like throwing one screen pass the whole game,ineffective,nore people would play online ranked games.

I keep saying I dont believe these devs have ever played a ranked game online.They just keep looking at numbers and stats,while playing each other.He said it again in this article,how him and Ian were using the feature against each other.I havent seen yet were any of these guys has ever been online and played some ranked games.I just dont get it.

He said the prices were not set so a guess there is hope that they may make this feature free from money or coins,like it should be.

Also I hope the devs find a chance to actually play some online ranked games because it's hard to fix something when you havent even seen what's broken.

[NavigatorD83]

WTF? LOL!

2013 can't get here fast enough for me!Leave it to EA to take a perfectly good NFL sim idea like the VIP system and splice it up and make you do ish to use it.This is really unbelievable to me.Then some of you guys on here are actually excited about it.With all due respect,with faithful consumers like this,Im really lucky Madden even has a no strings attached offline franchise.

If they annouced a weekly recap show with video being added to the presentation and said you had to unlock it by shutting out all 32 teams on All Madden,some of you think that would be great too huh?

This does not address the true problem with playing cheeser/glitchers inonline ranked games.Knowing what people do is just the beginning.You know that much 5 minutes into the game.The real issue is making basic NFL football aspects work correctly in Madden so the cheese and glitch plays are not effective.If you get any kind of infestation in your home,ants,rats roaches etc,the first thing to do is cut off the food supply.If the devs would simply make playing unrealistically,like throwing one screen pass the whole game,ineffective,nore people would play online ranked games.

I keep saying I dont believe these devs have ever played a ranked game online.They just keep looking at numbers and stats,while playing each other.He said it again in this article,how him and Ian were using the feature against each other.I havent seen yet were any of these guys has ever been online and played some ranked games.I just dont get it.

He said the prices were not set so a guess there is hope that they may make this feature free from money or coins,like it should be.

Also I hope the devs find a chance to actually play some online ranked games because it's hard to fix something when you havent even seen what's broken.

I hate that screen pass. Also it never works for me whenever i decide to use it which makes it more frustrating.
The Madden Franchise just seems to be lost when it comes to what football plays like. You can hear it in their commentary and see it every year when the game ships. Its a fun game to play when you dont have any expectations.

[Bgamer90]

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(Online) is a very small niche market of people that this will reach, yet it's obviously one of their new key selling points. ANd you know they are going to waste a whole blog on this as well, which takes away another week of something good we may get

Two words... Xbox Live.

[CreatineKasey]

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Maybe online was a small niche market in 2000. It's 2010.... I've been playing online since the mid 90's.

[Bgamer90]

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WTF? LOL!

2013 can't get here fast enough for me!Leave it to EA to take a perfectly good NFL sim idea like the VIP system and splice it up and make you do ish to use it.This is really unbelievable to me.Then some of you guys on here are actually excited about it.With all due respect,with faithful consumers like this,Im really lucky Madden even has a no strings attached offline franchise.

For all we know as long as people don't quit chances are you may not be able to have to "do ish" to use it. They give you coins already with the game. Depending on how much it is to view it, as long as you are completing your games, you may always have enough to view scouting reports. To me this kind of reminds me of the "unlock everything" packs in other EA games. The features are in the game but people are so lazy/stupid enough to actually pay for them. It's no need to jump the gun yet. Need more info about it.

If they annouced a weekly recap show with video being added to the presentation and said you had to unlock it by shutting out all 32 teams on All Madden,some of you think that would be great too huh?

What?

This does not address the true problem with playing cheeser/glitchers inonline ranked games.Knowing what people do is just the beginning.You know that much 5 minutes into the game.The real issue is making basic NFL football aspects work correctly in Madden so the cheese and glitch plays are not effective.If you get any kind of infestation in your home,ants,rats roaches etc,the first thing to do is cut off the food supply.


If the devs would simply make playing unrealistically,like throwing one screen pass the whole game,ineffective,nore people would play online ranked games.

Of course it doesn't fix "cheesing"... all this really is is a way to see how your opponent plays.

I keep saying I dont believe these devs have ever played a ranked game online.They just keep looking at numbers and stats,while playing each other.He said it again in this article,how him and Ian were using the feature against each other.I havent seen yet were any of these guys has ever been online and played some ranked games.I just dont get it.

...I hope the devs find a chance to actually play some online ranked games because it's hard to fix something when you havent even seen what's broken.

How do you know that they haven't played online ranked games?

[rsoxguy12]

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I like the idea of this, but I have a feeling that "earning" coins through online play will take MUCH longer than simply buying them with real money (just like the card packs in ultimate team). Why would EA offer it as DLC if we could easily buy these scouting packs by "earning" the coins?

Also, it will be quite annoying to face an opponent who uses a scouting report on every single play. I have a feeling that may happen.

[splff3000]

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Wait a minute!! Wait a minute!! WAIT - A - MINUTE!!! Did I read this correctly?

Adds Frazier: "What ultimately drove this feature was the hardcore, competitive, head-to-head gamer who wanted the ability, just like NFL coaches, to have a tool to understand what their opponents are doing. And that's why we've focused this feature on online head-to-head and not carried it over to online franchise which we feel is a more social aspect of gaming."

So people that play in online franchises don't want the ability to scout their opponents? That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Isn't someone that's a member of an online franchise a hardcore, competitive, head to head gamer as well? In fact, they may be more hardcore and more competitive than your average online gamer. Most people would think they would want to scout their opponents as well. In fact, members of an online franchise would want to scout their opponents MORE than regular head to head guys because they actually have something on the line when they play, like a chance to win the division or a chance to make the playoffs or a chance to play in the freakin ONLINE FRANCHISE SUPERBOWL!!! WTF? WTF? WTF? I really really really hope I don't get in trouble for this post, but that line is pure BS right there and I gotta call it.

Think about this. You join an online franchise, build up your team with talent over several seasons, battle through a grueling 16 game schedule, and fight through 2 or 3 grueling playoff games to make it to the Superbowl. There you are, trying to win the ultimate prize of your online franchise and playing in the most important game of the season. You want to scout your opponent thoroughly because this is an important game, but you can't because someone over at EA thought that it wasn't important for opponent scouting to be in online franchise. Yet, you can go online for a quick meaningless game and have all the scouting tools you want. lol WTF EA?

Now I have no problem with the feature itself. I think it is rather nice actually. The problem I have is with it not being in online franchise. Oh wait a minute, I get it now. Most online franchise groups would not allow members to purchase scouting tools to be fair, so EA would not make any money if this feature was in online franchise. Oh and you can't give coins for online games in franchise because they play so many of them and they could use those coins in online head to head so EA would not make money there as well. Ahh so I see why it's not in online franchise now. There is no money to be made by putting this in online franchise. All of the "features" that have been announced so far have been less than impressive to me and they finally announce something that I am very interested in and they half-a** it..........again. This would be perfect for online franchise. ** sigh ** Well, what can you do? That's EA.

Now to some other aspects of this before I really blow my gasket. I think their intentions are right with this idea, I just think that it won't be that effective against a real true cheeser. I mean if there is a guy that only runs 4 plays all game, then you know he's only running 4 plays by the end of the first qtr. If you can't stop it now, you want be able to stop it later either, even with a scouting report.

Also, in those pics, it looks like they're in game while they're scouting. Well, if I remember correctly, during the live chat on gameplan/gameflow, the dev said you can't change your gameplan during the game, so you either stick to the gameplan whether it will work or not, which defeats the purpose of the scouting tool, or you have to start calling your own plays, which defeats the purpose of gameplan. Yep, it looks like, thanks to their own doing, you either use one of EA's features or the other. It just seems like scouting and gameplanning would go together, but that's not the case with EA lol. Oh well, I've said my piece. I surely hope the mods take it easy on me with this one. I just had to get it off my chest.

EDIT: This also makes gameflow useless as well. It doesn't matter that YOU know that your opponent runs to the right on 3rd and short every time. What matters is if GAMEFLOW knows your opponent runs to the right on 3rd and short every time and, according to the devs, the defensive call is based on the formation of the offense. Sooo, just like with gameplan, you either use gameflow regardless if it will work or not, which defeats the purpose of scouting or you have to call your own play, which defeats the purpose of gameflow. **sigh**

[tlc12576]

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How do you know that they haven't played online ranked games?

I keep saying I dont believe these devs have ever played a ranked game online.They just keep looking at numbers and stats,while playing each other.He said it again in this article,how him and Ian were using the feature against each other.I havent seen yet were any of these guys has ever been online and played some ranked games.I just dont get it.

LOL!
Just up late looking for a debate,huh? You should be on the internet looking for some good baking tips for E3.LOL

[shigogouhou]

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I think you have to buy your own tendencies because nobody would pay for a scouting report on you if they knew you could freely see the same thing they did & account for it on a game-by-game basis (i.e. what's the use in paying to see you run to the left 80% of the time if I know you can see the same number? that 80% is useless to me because there's a 50% chance you'll stick with running left hoping I didn't pay for the report or I don't trust it and focus on the right side, and a 50% chance you change it up and run a lot more to the right hoping I paid for it and trust its validity)