Madden NFL 11 Introduces Online Scouting

[ODogg]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Introduces Online Scouting

Yeah, a little bit of EA bashing makes some folks days a little less dreary..

[tlc12576]

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he doesn't care he jus needs something to complain about ...

Yeah, a little bit of EA bashing makes some folks days a little less dreary..

LOL! I guess both of you just chose to ignore my early post trying show my opinion is not just "EA bashing" but that's cool.

Some folks days are made a little less dreary by demonizing contrary opinions as "bashing" and complaining.

[ODogg]

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No, our day is only made less dreary by demonizing uninformed opinions

[tlc12576]

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No, our day is only made less dreary by demonizing uninformed opinions

Ditto!LOL

[splff3000]

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Now to some other aspects of this before I really blow my gasket. I think their intentions are right with this idea, I just think that it won't be that effective against a real true cheeser. I mean if there is a guy that only runs 4 plays all game, then you know he's only running 4 plays by the end of the first qtr. If you can't stop it now, you want be able to stop it later either, even with a scouting report.

Also, in those pics, it looks like they're in game while they're scouting. Well, if I remember correctly, during the live chat on gameplan/gameflow, the dev said you can't change your gameplan during the game, so you either stick to the gameplan whether it will work or not, which defeats the purpose of the scouting tool, or you have to start calling your own plays, which defeats the purpose of gameplan. Yep, it looks like, thanks to their own doing, you either use one of EA's features or the other. It just seems like scouting and gameplanning would go together, but that's not the case with EA lol. Oh well, I've said my piece. I surely hope the mods take it easy on me with this one. I just had to get it off my chest.

EDIT: This also makes gameflow useless as well. It doesn't matter that YOU know that your opponent runs to the right on 3rd and short every time. What matters is if GAMEFLOW knows your opponent runs to the right on 3rd and short every time and, according to the devs, the defensive call is based on the formation of the offense. Sooo, just like with gameplan, you either use gameflow regardless if it will work or not, which defeats the purpose of scouting or you have to call your own play, which defeats the purpose of gameflow. **sigh**

It looks like some of you just glossed over these 2 paragraphs so I ask again, How will you be able to use gameflow and gameplan with this scouting feature? Since the scouting is in game and you can't change your gameplan for gameflow in game, doesn't that make using a gameplan useless. For example, if your gameplan is to run the ball up the middle on most of your plays and the scouting report shows that your opponent likes to jam the middle a lot, what are you going to do? You can't change your gameplan. So you either stop using gameplan and call your own plays based on scouting or you continue using gameplan and disregard what the scouting report showed you. Either way, the use of one defeats the purpose of using the other. None of this would be an issue though, if you got a scouting report before you played the game, you know, like in real life.

Also, with regards to gameflow, if you want to use it, what purpose does the scouting report have? Gameflow isn't looking at the scouting report. It's looking at the plays you have for certain situations (offense ) or the plays you have for offensive formations (defense) and what star rating you gave the plays. If you're gonna use gameflow the scouting tool is useless.

So if we decide to use scouting that means we can't use gameplan or gameflow.

Forget about all that though. What about the simple fact that scouting is part of the game of football, not just the NFL, but all of football. I remember when I was in middle school, our football coach, would go to other schools games if we didn't have one to check on our competition. They scout in middle school, high school, college, and in the pros. So why do I have to EARN the ability to scout? It's almost like saying I have to earn the ability to throw a pass. They're both a part of the game of football. What makes it even worse is by doing this for online head to head games, EA shows that they can do it, but they're not gonna do it for no one but online head to head guys. They're saying screw the rest of you guys. If you like to play head to head games offline.......F-U!!! You don't get to scout. lol, it's so funny because, in my head, I can see a guy in a tight Tiburon shirt giving the middle finger to all the offline head to head guys.

Also, to the Madden Security Team, I hope you guys realize that most people don't have a problem with the feature itself, it's just the implementation, or lack there of, that has people peeved. The fact that it's not in online franchise, even though it would be more suited for online franchise, is one example. I know Ian tweeted that they are working on getting it in OF, but that just makes me wonder, are they still working to get salary cap into OF? The same thing was said about salary cap last year and, to this day, there has been no sign what so ever of a salary cap in OF. So please forgive me if I don't fill my pants full of joy pee because he said he's TRYING to get it in. I fell for that one last year.

[MattIntellect]

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The fact that it's not in online franchise, even though it would be more suited for online franchise, is one example. I know Ian tweeted that they are working on getting it in OF, but that just makes me wonder, are they still working to get salary cap into OF? The same thing was said about salary cap last year and, to this day, there has been no sign what so ever of a salary cap in OF. So please forgive me if I don't fill my pants full of joy pee because he said he's TRYING to get it in. I fell for that one last year.

No, Ian said that they would make a decision on adding it later as a possible patch or update to Online Franchise. There was never a guarantee that he would try to get the Salary Cap into Online Franchise. It was one of those things that wasn't added due to time constraints. This is a different situation though.

[splff3000]

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No, Ian said that they would make a decision on adding it later as a possible patch or update to Online Franchise. There was never a guarantee that he would try to get the Salary Cap into Online Franchise. It was one of those things that wasn't added due to time constraints. This is a different situation though.

There's no guarantee that online scouting will be in online franchise either. I do recall that Ian said if the demand was high enough for salary cap, he would try to get it in there. I don't know when that changed to they will make a decision on getting it in there. In fact, I also recall Ian saying relax because they can patch it in at anytime, when this place was going crazy over no salary cap. So you can take what you want from it, but I took it as him telling us to relax because they can and will put it in later. Anyway, that's last year and not this year. It's old news. All I'm saying is I'm not falling for the banana in the tailpipe again. That's all.

[MattIntellect]

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There's no guarantee that online scouting will be in online franchise either. I do recall that Ian said if the demand was high enough for salary cap, he would try to get it in there. I don't know when that changed to they will make a decision on getting it in there. In fact, I also recall Ian saying relax because they can patch it in at anytime, when this place was going crazy over no salary cap. So you can take what you want from it, but I took it as him telling us to relax because they can and will put it in later. Anyway, that's last year and not this year. It's old news. All I'm saying is I'm not falling for the banana in the tailpipe again. That's all.

Well yeah, what I meant when I said he would make a decision, is that it was based off the community's demand. If you don't believe that it will be added, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I understand that you don't want to be "let down" again.

[big_larry]

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This should reduce cheesy money play's, ill only use it when I play people online with a ridiculous winning record. I like the feature.

[Madwolf]

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Should reduce cheese.

[Valdarez]

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Well for one, having it in-game for access by situation is a huge improvement IMO..

Yeah, and then it even tells you that you're being scouted. The VIP was never available in the game, only before you played. I'm not sure I like that aspect of it, being able to call it up on a per play/situation basis. That's beyond realistic to me. Having that information available in real time makes it a little to easy for the person whose willing to pay $$$ to get access to the information all the time. The person who plays the game and tries to earn the coins will constantly be at a disadvantage.

[splff3000]

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This should reduce cheesy money play's, ill only use it when I play people online with a ridiculous winning record. I like the feature.

Should reduce cheese.

Just curious, why do you guys think it will reduce cheese? It's not gonna make your defenders smarter if a play is ran over and over. I'm just curious as to why people keep saying it's gonna stop cheese. I'm being serious because I can't see how it would stop cheese.

[ODogg]

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Valdarez - Why would the person who plays the game to earn coins be at a disadvantage?

splff3000 - It should reduce cheese because people will know that if they cheese it's all on their record and people will avoid them. With that being said there will still be people who won't care and cheese anyways.

[Valdarez]

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Valdarez - Why would the person who plays the game to earn coins be at a disadvantage?

I guess it depends how many coins you earn per game. If you earn at least 25 coins per game, then it would be fine, as you could buy the scout all. Will the number of coins earned be the same as from MUT in M10? If so, then you're right, it wouldn't be a problem at all.

[splff3000]

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splff3000 - It should reduce cheese because people will know that if they cheese it's all on their record and people will avoid them. With that being said there will still be people who won't care and cheese anyways.

Umm, you can't scout your opponent until you start playing them so how can you avoid them? Oh and now you can't quit when you realize you're playing a cheeser because you won't get your coins if you do lol. I can definitely see how this can backfire.