Basketball is NOT Hockey

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Jano
    You Dead Wrong
    • May 2004
    • 3161

    #136
    Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

    Man I'm just tryin to stay optimistic even in situations like this where things could get a lot worse before they get better..

    I love bball waaaay too much for me to even think Live i mean Elite will fail me again. Especially with the direction 2K's is currently going in I have to hold onto the hope that EA can save the day.

    Its so backwards to think like this but hey, I like "direction" they have been trying to go in from 09 to now.

    Comment

    • kgisyourfather
      Banned
      • Feb 2010
      • 64

      #137
      Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

      Bad economy is good for gamers lol. These guys have to step up their games. The technology is there if they don't do it, someone else will. They aren't getting a free ride anymore and they know this.

      EA lost like 700 million dollars this year. Live 10's sales were not good. Money talks. We are going to see some awesome new ****. 2k is in teh same boat. They lose their basketball franchise they are in serious trouble.
      Last edited by kgisyourfather; 06-02-2010, 10:56 PM.

      Comment

      • ILLSmak
        MVP
        • Sep 2008
        • 2397

        #138
        Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

        Originally posted by Da_Czar
        http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/nba-live...elite-1376730/


        Creative director for NBA Elite 11 David Littman, who has made the NHL series at EA a huge success, said that, "Now, if someone makes a shot from half court, you can't get mad because it's entirely skill-based."
        I've had huge arguments with people about that same idea, and it's true... if they can actually make it so that it's not exploitable and get rid of the predetermined outcome completely, it would be a huge day in basketball video games. Of course, I'm skeptical about them making it work.

        But you're right, though... basketball is definitely not hockey.

        -Smak

        Comment

        • Playmakers
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2004
          • 15419

          #139
          Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

          Originally posted by 23
          I dont know Jano

          I remember them saying they were trying to get away from ratings controlling what happens on the court. Matter of fact they even eliminated some of them between Live 09 and 10
          and IMO that's a problem wouldn't you agree 23?

          For example as i said a few times before.....if they do away with ratings wouldn't that mean Eddie Curry could make the same jumper as Ray Allen in the game because the USER himself is good with the shot stick?

          Now again I don't have a problem with them going this direction because most people who play online would like to determine their outcomes based on their own stick skill ability...

          But for guys like who prefer my own little Dynasty mode offline vs the CPU i want ratings for my players to factor into account the most. I don't want to have the same feeling shooting with Shawn Marion on the perimeter as I would with Dirk......I want it to be tougher to make shots with Marion but if my stick skills are good wouldn't that disregard the fact that Marion is a terrible outside shooter?

          I mentioned this earlier.....I think EA should have 2 seperate control options of the shot stick. One for Human controlled shooting where the Human dictates his own success regardless of who's shooting

          And the 2nd option should be strictly tied into what ever ratings they determine of that player on your team.

          I remember in MVP Baseball you had that option for pitching style USER control or CPU control which would factor in the ratings of the Computer player only when you pitched.

          From what I'm reading right now it seems like the minute I become good at the shot stick in NBA Elite I'm going to knock down shots at the same rate regardless of what player I'm controlling on the floor since every thing will be decided by my own ability master the shooting controls.......

          I don't like that OPTION for my style of play
          NCAA FOOTBALL 14 ALUMNI LEGENDS CPU vs CPU DYNASTY THREAD
          https://forums.operationsports.com/f...s-dynasty.html

          Follow some the Greatest College Football players of All Time in NCAA Football 14

          Comment

          • Shakedowncapo
            MVP
            • Aug 2002
            • 4031

            #140
            Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

            Originally posted by kgisyourfather
            Bad economy is good for gamers lol. These guys have to step up their games. The technology is there if they don't do it, someone else will. They aren't getting a free ride anymore and they know this.

            EA lost like 700 million dollars this year. Live 10's sales were not good. Money talks. We are going to see some awesome new ****. 2k is in teh same boat. They lose their basketball franchise they are in serious trouble.
            All of this...I can agree with.

            Comment

            • 23
              yellow
              • Sep 2002
              • 66469

              #141
              Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

              Originally posted by Playmakers
              and IMO that's a problem wouldn't you agree 23?

              For example as i said a few times before.....if they do away with ratings wouldn't that mean Eddie Curry could make the same jumper as Ray Allen in the game because the USER himself is good with the shot stick?

              Now again I don't have a problem with them going this direction because most people who play online would like to determine their outcomes based on their own stick skill ability...

              But for guys like who prefer my own little Dynasty mode offline vs the CPU i want ratings for my players to factor into account the most. I don't want to have the same feeling shooting with Shawn Marion on the perimeter as I would with Dirk......I want it to be tougher to make shots with Marion but if my stick skills are good wouldn't that disregard the fact that Marion is a terrible outside shooter?

              I mentioned this earlier.....I think EA should have 2 seperate control options of the shot stick. One for Human controlled shooting where the Human dictates his own success regardless of who's shooting

              And the 2nd option should be strictly tied into what ever ratings they determine of that player on your team.

              I remember in MVP Baseball you had that option for pitching style USER control or CPU control which would factor in the ratings of the Computer player only when you pitched.

              From what I'm reading right now it seems like the minute I become good at the shot stick in NBA Elite I'm going to knock down shots at the same rate regardless of what player I'm controlling on the floor since every thing will be decided by my own ability master the shooting controls.......

              I don't like that OPTION for my style of play
              You get no disagreements from me man

              Comment

              • jtownboy15
                Rookie
                • Nov 2007
                • 50

                #142
                Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                Originally posted by Playmakers
                and IMO that's a problem wouldn't you agree 23?

                For example as i said a few times before.....if they do away with ratings wouldn't that mean Eddie Curry could make the same jumper as Ray Allen in the game because the USER himself is good with the shot stick?

                Now again I don't have a problem with them going this direction because most people who play online would like to determine their outcomes based on their own stick skill ability...

                But for guys like who prefer my own little Dynasty mode offline vs the CPU i want ratings for my players to factor into account the most. I don't want to have the same feeling shooting with Shawn Marion on the perimeter as I would with Dirk......I want it to be tougher to make shots with Marion but if my stick skills are good wouldn't that disregard the fact that Marion is a terrible outside shooter?

                I mentioned this earlier.....I think EA should have 2 seperate control options of the shot stick. One for Human controlled shooting where the Human dictates his own success regardless of who's shooting

                And the 2nd option should be strictly tied into what ever ratings they determine of that player on your team.

                I remember in MVP Baseball you had that option for pitching style USER control or CPU control which would factor in the ratings of the Computer player only when you pitched.

                From what I'm reading right now it seems like the minute I become good at the shot stick in NBA Elite I'm going to knock down shots at the same rate regardless of what player I'm controlling on the floor since every thing will be decided by my own ability master the shooting controls.......

                I don't like that OPTION for my style of play
                What I got out of the Q&A is that shooting ability will be ratings based, but the outcome(hit or miss) is in your hands....so i would guess that eddy curry won't be making jumpers from 25ft out
                They won't let themselves believe the truth
                I.Y.D.K.N.Y.K

                Comment

                • Jano
                  You Dead Wrong
                  • May 2004
                  • 3161

                  #143
                  Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                  I can see where you're coming from PM and I wouldn't want to see that either. And I don't think the guys EA would allow that to happen Littman even said there was a lot of factors going into the difficulty of the shot.

                  I mean all we can do is speculate but I would say we really gotta wait and see on that. I'm not going to knock the difficutly of it though because the system seems well thoughout.

                  I would be more freaked if the system was like 2K in that all you had to do was pull the stick for the set amount of time. This one at least seems like it will take some practice and precision to master in every situation.

                  So even if you do become good it will probably take some work to get there, and from that point slider adjustments would probably be able to remedy it dont you think?

                  Comment

                  • Dalsanto0026
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 729

                    #144
                    Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                    Originally posted by Da_Czar
                    http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/nba-live...elite-1376730/


                    Creative director for NBA Elite 11 David Littman, who has made the NHL series at EA a huge success, said that, "Now, if someone makes a shot from half court, you can't get mad because it's entirely skill-based.

                    Men how much does this guy know about basketball ?

                    I loved the previous direction of Nba Live now its elite which isn't even a term in the basketball vernacular. A now this gentlemen who made Hockey a hit is the CREATIVE director ? This is the NEW direction ? does anyone else who loves BASKETBALL see any thing wrong with this ?

                    In an effort to sell units will they sell their basketball soul ? Elite 11 ? come on family. That is not inline with the culture of the game!! Heres to hoping I'm wrong but I think the basketball will suffer. It'll probably be a lot of fun for the first 2 weeks though.
                    I think you're jumping the gun a bit. It's way too early to start panicking. After E3 we might have a clearer idea of what to expect from this game. For the time being let's just calm down and acknowledge the fact that change can be a good thing. Wait and see is the best approach right now.

                    Comment

                    • Dalsanto0026
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 729

                      #145
                      Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                      Originally posted by 23
                      \

                      Is it stick skill or basketball logic and strategy that nets you wins now?
                      Why can't it be all three?

                      Comment

                      • Dalsanto0026
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 729

                        #146
                        Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                        Normally I'd be just as skeptical as everyone else here because I've fallen for EA's bs before. But I think the changes mentioned: real-time physics (this could be huge), a new analog control scheme (better responsiveness?) etc have me intrigued at least.

                        IMO this series needed a change, as far as I'm concerned Live 10 was nowhere near good enough. Those complaining about EA taking a different route are kidding themselves if they think Live 10 was on the right track.

                        Improved responsiveness or canned animations? Real-time physics or canned animations? Making shots/steals/blocks/rebounds etc based on user skill or the roll of a dice? See where I'm going with this?

                        The fact that David Littman comes from a hockey background has nothing to do with the quality of this game. Panicking/complaining about this is silly.
                        Last edited by Dalsanto0026; 06-03-2010, 01:14 PM.

                        Comment

                        • Sovartus
                          Pro
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 503

                          #147
                          Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                          From what I saw at EA Canada this past weekend, you guys don't really have anything to worry about. The controls took a little getting use to but felt very natural and was actually better than anything I have experienced before. More info on My blog .
                          These are my opinions based off of my perspective. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but if you disagree, we can still agree to disagree agreeably and not fight about it.

                          Comment

                          • DaveDQ
                            13
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 7664

                            #148
                            Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                            I doubt very highly the game engine has changed. It's more on the control front.

                            But still, the name change, the sudden comparison to two of their better games (FIFA and NHL)...this is all a ploy to generate this idea that the game has improved.

                            I really liked the direction NBA Live was heading in. The recent name change and claims of it being the most realistic simulation ever is just bogus. Seriously, look how far the game came in just this generation of consoles...not very. I want to see a good game come out of EA, but their recent announcement is far too promising (given their history).
                            Being kind, one to another, never disappoints.

                            Comment

                            • Sovartus
                              Pro
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 503

                              #149
                              Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                              Originally posted by DaveDQ
                              I doubt very highly the game engine has changed. It's more on the control front.

                              But still, the name change, the sudden comparison to two of their better games (FIFA and NHL)...this is all a ploy to generate this idea that the game has improved.

                              I really liked the direction NBA Live was heading in. The recent name change and claims of it being the most realistic simulation ever is just bogus. Seriously, look how far the game came in just this generation of consoles...not very. I want to see a good game come out of EA, but their recent announcement is far too promising (given their history).
                              I have been to EA Canada and played the game. I really like the direction they are going in and I liked the feel better than anything I have played thus far. I haven't experienced 2K yet so who knows what it will feel like.
                              These are my opinions based off of my perspective. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but if you disagree, we can still agree to disagree agreeably and not fight about it.

                              Comment

                              • ehh
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 28962

                                #150
                                Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                                Originally posted by Playmakers
                                From what I'm reading right now it seems like the minute I become good at the shot stick in NBA Elite I'm going to knock down shots at the same rate regardless of what player I'm controlling on the floor since every thing will be decided by my own ability master the shooting controls.......

                                I don't like that OPTION for my style of play
                                The article addresses your concern...

                                If people are concerned that because it is skill-based shooting you can make every shot, then you can relax. Shots are harder to make if you are further away from the basket, are being closely guarded, are a below-average shooter, or you have too much fade or momentum, among other factors.
                                Granted next-gen basketball has been a huge disappointment I can't imagine a game having an issue THIS big that you can drain three's with Shaq consistently if you get nasty with the shot stick.
                                "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                                "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

                                Comment

                                Working...