NBA Live Being Renamed NBA Elite, Scan Posted (Pasta Padre)

**Pared** · 06-03-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Sovartus

If 2K does not address the leak, they could quickly find themselves behind.

See this I don't agree with. 2k is not behind on anything outside of player control. If you measure things one to one, it's the only issue they aren't up to par with that is THAT important. People want to point to plays, crowd sounds... control is the one defining thing. Even if EA were to outright kill it with control, there needs to be more from every area of the game.

Originally posted by 23

Its all wait and see but if they dont compete in sales with 2k this year, will they go in another new direction?

Here's the thing - what is this new direction you keep re-gurgitating? Answer me this question and we'll continue the conversation. Because EA hasn't changed direction outside of a name change.

People are buying into the media blurbs that the competitor has made. It happened when Mike left 2k, and it happened when he went back.

Step away from that for a second, and what tells you EA is going in a new direction at THIS point?

23 · 06-03-2010, 03:19 PM

Re: NBA Live Being Renamed NBA Elite, Scan Posted (Pasta Padre)

Originally posted by Pared

See this I don't agree with. 2k is not behind on anything outside of player control. If you measure things one to one, it's the only issue they aren't up to par with that is THAT important. People want to point to plays, crowd sounds... control is the one defining thing. Even if EA were to outright kill it with control, there needs to be more from every area of the game.

Here's the thing - what is this new direction you keep re-gurgitating? Answer me this question and we'll continue the conversation. Because EA hasn't changed direction outside of a name change.

People are buying into the media blurbs that the competitor has made. It happened when Mike left 2k, and it happened when he went back.

Step away from that for a second, and what tells you EA is going in a new direction at THIS point?

Thats the question im asking sir, im not claiming new direction

I have no clue what is going on. What im saying though is, if the sales arent up to par again, is the dev team going to change yet again

**Pared** · 06-03-2010, 03:30 PM

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You know if the team changes, so what? Sony's team didn't change for a few years and look at their NBA game.

As long as the changes are positive for the game that's all that should matter, right? And I've already posted a few times that guys from NBA Live '05 are back on the team. That's a change, after talking to them, I can get behind.

23 · 06-03-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by Pared

You know if the team changes, so what? Sony's team didn't change for a few years and look at their NBA game.

As long as the changes are positive for the game that's all that should matter, right? And I've already posted a few times that guys from NBA Live '05 are back on the team. That's a change, after talking to them, I can get behind.

Depends because all we have to rely on now is history and the kinds of changes made, contributed heavily to this series being unstable.

Sony had a stable dev team and product they stuck with in The Show and now its the #1 baseball game as far as I can tell.

With VC they stuck with their model even when they werent up in sales and eventually it paid off same as Sony's baseball.

**Pared** · 06-03-2010, 04:10 PM

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Yes, and prior to those teams being stable, there was turnover. A few guys here and there, but all those games have had different guys at the helm, even if it was after a few years or so.

So again, I don't really see the argument being argued. People are worried because the faces the names that were pink are no longer here rubbing elbows.

The game direction hasn't changed, they brought in a solid group of guys to have a thorough cleaning... I'm not sure what else is there to really be concerned with at this point, but I admittedly have a different scope.

I guess I just expect more from our community. And that obviously falls on me.

23 · 06-03-2010, 04:15 PM

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Im not even sure where the conversation has gone because what I stated is different from what has been argued here with other guys, but yes stability is the main reason why it matters if people are continually being shuffled or not.

I think what disturbs me is how guys are coming here telling others they shouldnt be skeptical. Well I disagree with that regardless of who is leading the way, this year especially.

At this point EA has something to prove to everyone including themselves in this sport on this gen.

IMO make a good game and eventually people will buy it. Thats the only way you will quell concerns. Until then there is no way you're going to stop people from wondering because of past times.

**Sovartus** · 06-03-2010, 04:20 PM

Re: NBA Live Being Renamed NBA Elite, Scan Posted (Pasta Padre)

Originally posted by Pared

See this I don't agree with. 2k is not behind on anything outside of player control. If you measure things one to one, it's the only issue they aren't up to par with that is THAT important. People want to point to plays, crowd sounds... control is the one defining thing. Even if EA were to outright kill it with control, there needs to be more from every area of the game.

What is there not to agree with? When I said behind, I only meant in gameplay. Quite frankly, 2K is already slightly behind EA in this aspect. I also think that 2K is behind EA in physics, foot planting, control, and overall game speed or spacing. 2K is so far ahead in the other areas that it will take EA some time to even think about trying to catch up. The good thing is that they have laid a strong foundation.

**HoosierDaddy** · 06-03-2010, 04:22 PM

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I think being skeptical is fine, but make sure someone has the facts before they start spreading rumors. Just like in the other thread, someone stated that EA said they were building from scratch again, when the facts are, that couldn't be any further from the truth.

**Pared** · 06-03-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by 23

Im not even sure where the conversation has gone because what I stated is different from what has been argued here with other guys, but yes stability is the main reason why it matters if people are continually being shuffled or not.

I think what disturbs me is how guys are coming here telling others they shouldnt be skeptical. Well I disagree with that regardless of who is leading the way, this year especially.

At this point EA has something to prove to everyone including themselves in this sport on this gen.

IMO make a good game and eventually people will buy it. Thats the only way you will quell concerns. Until then there is no way you're going to stop people from wondering because of past times.

People won't stop wondering regardless. They make their mind up before giving things a shot. And it has been proven plenty of times, with plenty of examples on this forum alone.

Guess you can't stop the flip-flopping, so you're right. Would be nice if less people joined them instead of picking up a pitchfork themselves.

Originally posted by Sovartus

What is there not to agree with? When I said behind, I only meant in gameplay. Quite frankly, 2K is already slightly behind EA in this aspect. I also think that 2K is behind EA in physics, foot planting, control, and overall game speed or spacing. 2K is so far ahead in the other areas that it will take EA some time to even think about trying to catch up. The good thing is that they have laid a strong foundation.

If you isolate it to some areas then I can agree with you. But many times people make that statement as a whole while 2k is selling 2 million units...

**loadleft** · 06-03-2010, 04:34 PM

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Whew! I'm having trouble keeping up with all these Elite threads! Guys that played the game, as far as you can tell what will be the number one driving force in succeeding in this game? I am asking will a user's basketball IQ or stick skills or even something else be more important in terms of winning games against the AI?

**ehh** · 06-03-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Pared

See this I don't agree with. 2k is not behind on anything outside of player control. If you measure things one to one, it's the only issue they aren't up to par with that is THAT important. People want to point to plays, crowd sounds... control is the one defining thing. Even if EA were to outright kill it with control, there needs to be more from every area of the game.

Floor spacing and rotations/sliding is still absolutely dreadful in 2K. Live has it beat by a long shot. The dude who posted a 2K mash up of a bunch of blocked shots the other day, man every single block in that vid has someone sliding like they're on skates and recovering way too quickly. It makes the halfcourt game in 2K unbearable to me.

That and the controls are why I can't play 2K9 or 10 and why I still play CH2K8 and NBA2K8. The rotations are still pretty bad but at least I have control of what's going on and it's not one animation-driven sequence after another.

**Shakedowncapo** · 06-03-2010, 10:43 PM

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Im glad they are going this new direction with "controls" but that was not the problem last year(as already stated). I hope they worked on the part of making the game fun for a full 82 games! That to me and a host of others was the problem with last years game...It had no substance once you got past how well you could move and messed around with the playbooks.

Rebounding, fouls, fastbreaking, stale animations, signature moves all things that took away from the final feel of the game and hurt the product big time. Just wish we could have heard more about these subjects as control WASNT the problem in the first place. So excuse the thought of some of us still being skeptical about this team and not exactly taking words for it at this moment.

**Tha_Kid** · 06-04-2010, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Shakedowncapo

Im glad they are going this new direction with "controls" but that was not the problem last year(as already stated). I hope they worked on the part of making the game fun for a full 82 games! That to me and a host of others was the problem with last years game...It had no substance once you got past how well you could move and messed around with the playbooks.

Rebounding, fouls, fastbreaking, stale animations, signature moves all things that took away from the final feel of the game and hurt the product big time. Just wish we could have heard more about these subjects as control WASNT the problem in the first place. So excuse the thought of some of us still being skeptical about this team and not exactly taking words for it at this moment.

Agreed.

**Pared** · 06-04-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by ehh

Floor spacing and rotations/sliding is still absolutely dreadful in 2K. Live has it beat by a long shot. The dude who posted a 2K mash up of a bunch of blocked shots the other day, man every single block in that vid has someone sliding like they're on skates and recovering way too quickly. It makes the halfcourt game in 2K unbearable to me.

That and the controls are why I can't play 2K9 or 10 and why I still play CH2K8 and NBA2K8. The rotations are still pretty bad but at least I have control of what's going on and it's not one animation-driven sequence after another.

I just don't agree, especially with "by a long shot." People said 2k couldn't do anything about help defense and boom, patch hits and it is infinitely better.

I'm not saying it couldn't use work, but 2k just needs a few tweaks here and there while NBA Elite needs an entire grasp on NBA Authenticity, whether it be on the court, with the players, the emotion, game modes, etc in addition to gameplay tweaks. Fastbreaks? Proper player mannerisms? I could go on and on (and I did the last few days) but comparing the minor changes 2k needs to the major investment in all that is the NBA with Elite, one company has much more work for them.

All the gameplay in the world isn't going to make that much of a difference when the other isn't terrible by any means. But it's a start... and that's where Elite seems to be going right.

**Starlin4Prez** · 06-04-2010, 12:11 PM

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Why does those pics in that scan look like it was taken from NBA 10?? :/ Thats not a good thing...

NBA Live Being Renamed NBA Elite, Scan Posted (Pasta Padre)

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