Madden NFL 11 Introduces Online Scouting

[tlc12576]

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the reason is actually cause i jus said it to u so y repeat myself?...

Translation,"Why would I bother saying something directly to that big mean looking dude about complaining when he should already know what I said to you about it?" LOL

[splff3000]

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Wait a minute, wait a minute. This thread is getting horribly off course lol. I want to debate this online scouting more before they close this thread lol.

To the new guy , J/K tlc, I'm fairly sure that no one is trying to haze you or anything lol. People are just giving their own opinion and in case you haven't noticed me and Odogg have been going back and forth quite a bit so don't think anyone is giving anyone passes. Me and MattIntellect had a few lines with each other as well. That's what we do. We debate. Don't take it so personal man. The same thing that happened to you, happens to me all the time. It's no big deal. I can promise you it'll happen again too. Let's just chill out and continue our discussion.

Now with all of that said, I am waiting for someone to tell me why they think the scouting is ok just the way it is. I want them to tell me why they feel that scouting, even though it's a part of the game of football, doesn't need to be in any other mode besides online head to head. I want them to tell me why they think it's ok for you to have to earn the right to scout. I want them to tell me why it's still useful even though you have to do it INSIDE of the game. This is what I'm waiting for because, from what I've seen, people are saying it will help with cheesers, but they aren't saying HOW it will help with cheesers. These are things that I would like to know because I can't see how anyone can defend this move. I absolutely love the feature, but I hate everything about the implementation. Everything from the fact that you use it in-game to the fact that you have to earn it to the fact that it's not in OF and so on. So, please someone, let me know why you guys are defending this so much.

[Valdarez]

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I hope they don't charge for roster updates or something that was a given in years past. Extra content like scouting = good. Charging for standard content = bad.

I'm sure at some point it's going to cost 'coins' to get a Roster Update.

[ODogg]

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tlc - I am not biased, I have been critical of EA in this very thread about why they don't allow you access to the report before you get into a game with someone. With that being said I've already explained why I agree with having to 'earn' the report. It's to encourage people to finish games. People quitting when they get behind is probably the single biggest complaint about online play. Anything EA can think of to encourage folks to quit doing that is a great step forward for online play IMO..

[ODogg]

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Valdarez - I don't see that happening as a lot of offline players use roster updates and don't play online and EA knows this.

[splff3000]

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tlc - I am not biased, I have been critical of EA in this very thread about why they don't allow you access to the report before you get into a game with someone. With that being said I've already explained why I agree with having to 'earn' the report. It's to encourage people to finish games. People quitting when they get behind is probably the single biggest complaint about online play. Anything EA can think of to encourage folks to quit doing that is a great step forward for online play IMO..

They can concede defeat if they wanna quit. Personally, I feel if EA wants to cut down on people quitting, allow people to concede defeat at anytime. I remember one time me and one of my boys were playing online and I had a 3 point lead in the 3rd qtr. Well, he had to go for some reason and wanted to just give me the win, but he couldn't because "concede defeat" was not available yet. So he had to just quit.

I don't think "scouting coins" will keep people playing any longer than normal. Also what about how wonky EA's servers are? I know every year, I have at least a quarter of my losses come from disconnects caused by EA's servers. If EA hasn't revamped their servers, there will be a lot of pissed off online gamers this year.

[ODogg]

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I 100% agree with you that people should be able to concede at any time. I've complained about this for years to anyone that will listen. I was in a game last week in NCAA when I had too many beers, I was OSU and playing Florida (who of course I hate) and the guy got up 14-0, then hit Pryor and he fumbled and he ran it back and made it 21-0 to start the 2nd. The fact that I knew the game was over and it was getting late, made me think "I'll go ahead and concede and take the loss" but as you said, when I went to the menu there was no option there. So I ended up quitting the game and taking the DNF. It's silly why they won't give you that option any time.

I know the reason they don't is they think it'll encourage folks to quit more if they can quit anytime but it's not going to really make a difference in my opinion. I know most people don't want to play against the CPU but when someone concedes they should just be able to automatically take the win if they desire and finish the game.

However, with all of this being said, I think it's good to reward people who do finish. And giving them coins is a good way of doing that. If you're in a game that's 63-0 or a game like you describe above, or like I described, then it won't make any difference at all, but if I'm in a game where I'm only down 28-7 in a normal situation in the third and I may be tempted to concede, the fact that if I just play one more quarter and stick it out and get those coins may influence me too. And who knows, in doing so maybe some strange things will happen and I'll come back in the game.

But if not at least I get rewarded at the end for sticking around and playing. As it is now there is absolutely zero reason, other than your record of DNF, to avoid pulling the plug and that has got to change. This is a good start.

[theD25]

This is a great feature to make sure the cheesers cant keep playing the same way all game. I know i have situational plays and this feature will be a great way to stop it/slow it down

[splff3000]

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I 100% agree with you that people should be able to concede at any time. I've complained about this for years to anyone that will listen. I was in a game last week in NCAA when I had too many beers, I was OSU and playing Florida (who of course I hate) and the guy got up 14-0, then hit Pryor and he fumbled and he ran it back and made it 21-0 to start the 2nd. The fact that I knew the game was over and it was getting late, made me think "I'll go ahead and concede and take the loss" but as you said, when I went to the menu there was no option there. So I ended up quitting the game and taking the DNF. It's silly why they won't give you that option any time.

I know the reason they don't is they think it'll encourage folks to quit more if they can quit anytime but it's not going to really make a difference in my opinion. I know most people don't want to play against the CPU but when someone concedes they should just be able to automatically take the win if they desire and finish the game.

However, with all of this being said, I think it's good to reward people who do finish. And giving them coins is a good way of doing that. If you're in a game that's 63-0 or a game like you describe above, or like I described, then it won't make any difference at all, but if I'm in a game where I'm only down 28-7 in a normal situation in the third and I may be tempted to concede, the fact that if I just play one more quarter and stick it out and get those coins may influence me too. And who knows, in doing so maybe some strange things will happen and I'll come back in the game.

But if not at least I get rewarded at the end for sticking around and playing. As it is now there is absolutely zero reason, other than your record of DNF, to avoid pulling the plug and that has got to change. This is a good start.

Ok, I see what you're saying. I don't agree that it'll work like that for most, but I can respect the fact that it'll work like that for you.

On a somewhat different note, what are you going to do when the servers disconnect you this year lol? In previous years, if you play late into the 3rd qtr or hell, late into the 4th qtr sometimes and the server disconnects you, you just got a loss, a DNF, and lost time(in your life) that you spent playing. Now you won't get your coins either lol. What are you gonna do then? Now that I think about it, if you want to stay ahead on your coins, you're going to have to finish those blowout games because I'm 100% sure there will be some server side disconnects. If you started scouting in the game, you'll lose those too. You lost the coins that you spent scouting in-game and you lose the coins that you would have got if you finished the game. That's a double whammy!!

[AsG1989]

sounds cool

[da ThRONe]

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I dont know if this was asked or answered already so bear with me. But will there be offline scouting during franchise mode. Is this new "Gameflow" feature going to take teams tendencies into to consideration?

[ODogg]

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They said not, but they are thinking about trying to add in a patch..

[Eclipso]

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I think this paragraph answers that question:

"But how do you unlock these scouting reports? "Madden" producer Phil Frazier provides the details: "Scouting is a consumable. So you earn coins in every online game that you play as long as you don't quit or disconnect. You can then spend these coins on scouting reports or other things within the game (gamers will also be able to use real money to buy coin packs or scouting packs, but the prices are not final). It's the same economy that drives 'Madden Ultimate Team.' So you can literally be playing 'Madden Ultimate Team' online, earn some coins, then turn around and either buy a pack of cards or a scouting pack. The economy drives a lot more this year than just 'Madden Ultimate Team, but we're not talking dollars per scouting report here. You're earning these coins by playing 'Madden' online, so this isn't a money-grab for us. This is about building up your online skills. We're trying to provide a competitive advantage and we're presenting it to you in a way that's authentic to the sport of football.'"

It's the same "coins" that MUT uses, I guess. And while you CAN buy those with real money, you can earn them pretty easily by playing.

I am ok with this as long as the coins you make come in at a good pace so it doesnt "force" you to actually purchase them.

[tlc12576]

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I 100% agree with you that people should be able to concede at any time. I've complained about this for years to anyone that will listen. I was in a game last week in NCAA when I had too many beers, I was OSU and playing Florida (who of course I hate) and the guy got up 14-0, then hit Pryor and he fumbled and he ran it back and made it 21-0 to start the 2nd. The fact that I knew the game was over and it was getting late, made me think "I'll go ahead and concede and take the loss" but as you said, when I went to the menu there was no option there. So I ended up quitting the game and taking the DNF. It's silly why they won't give you that option any time.

I know the reason they don't is they think it'll encourage folks to quit more if they can quit anytime but it's not going to really make a difference in my opinion. I know most people don't want to play against the CPU but when someone concedes they should just be able to automatically take the win if they desire and finish the game.

However, with all of this being said, I think it's good to reward people who do finish. And giving them coins is a good way of doing that. If you're in a game that's 63-0 or a game like you describe above, or like I described, then it won't make any difference at all, but if I'm in a game where I'm only down 28-7 in a normal situation in the third and I may be tempted to concede, the fact that if I just play one more quarter and stick it out and get those coins may influence me too. And who knows, in doing so maybe some strange things will happen and I'll come back in the game.

But if not at least I get rewarded at the end for sticking around and playing. As it is now there is absolutely zero reason, other than your record of DNF, to avoid pulling the plug and that has got to change. This is a good start.

Still not feeling this feature being conditional because what you described doesnt address the problem of most intentional DNFs,it just exploits it for EAs' potential monetary gain,IMO.

In this scenario,your sticking around to play a game so you can get coins.Coins that you can then use to scout other players.The main reason people have said they want to scout players is to see what type of player they are.That way,they can better identify cheesers,glitchers and everything in between.This is the main cause of intentional DNFs and more games not being played,the mystery of an opponents playstyle.If their goal is really to have less intentional DNFs like you say,they should be revealing all gamers' playstyles by giving gamers this feature to use unconditionally,unlimited,pregame and in-game.Instead,they are taking gamers frustrations and warranted caution concerning online games and allegedly trying to use that as an incentive for gamers to finish games.

You and EA may think "that's a good start" but this seems like attempted consumer manipulation for potential EA profit,IMO.Profit gained from either coins being directly purchased or more online advertising dollars for increased online numbers from people trying to earn them.

I had to literally,laugh out loud,when I read,"You're earning these coins by playing 'Madden' online, so this isn't a money-grab for us. This is about building up your online skills. We're trying to provide a competitive advantage and we're presenting it to you in a way that's authentic to the sport of football.".Just like in real life where the Redskins have to finish their entire game against the Cowboys before they can have game film on the Giants huh?LOL

Im being silly right here,I know they mean the authenticity of scouting your opponent and using it in-game but the notion of these online coins not being about money for EA is even more silly,IMO.The crazy thing is,if they implemented the feature like I described,the numbers of gamers that play and complete online games would undoubtedly increase,IMO.Therefore still increasing Maddens'/EAs' potential online advertising revenue.

Alot of us are optimistic about Madden 11 but sometimes it seems that EAs' marketing dept thinks Madden gamers are just gulliable gophers,IMO.I can only speak for me but in this case,they are mistaken.LOL

However,marketing may yet get my $60 and the last laugh if NFLN or some other real network presentation is not in Madden 11.I believe that hook,line and sinker because they havent marketed it yet!LOL

(Somewhere Bgamers' head is shaking when it should be thinking of baking!LOL)

[splff3000]

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Alot of us are optimistic about Madden 11 but sometimes it seems that EAs' marketing dept thinks Madden gamers are just gulliable gophers,IMO.I can only speak for me but in this case,they are mistaken.LOL

Lol, I feel the exact same way sometimes. Like they think we're a bunch of kids that don't really know anything about anything.