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  • TombSong
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2543

    #61
    Re: Backbreaker Review

    I think the biggest mistake the Devs made for this game is not have some sort of mode where people could practice passing.

    I remember my first impression of the game was, this aint good, and that was mainly stemming from my own inability to play the way I wanted to play.

    Once you learn the game, you can see how good this game can be. Its a shame peoples frustrations are gonna win out over taking the time to learn what the game has to offer. Its also most of the reviews given of the game are by people who really don't know how to play the game.

    The devs should really look at adding a practice mode as DLC and patch for the other issues.

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    • Dogslax41
      MVP
      • Aug 2003
      • 1901

      #62
      Re: Backbreaker Review

      Originally posted by ChaseB
      There is a free demo out there, which is the only problem I have with the cost argument. Plus, I'm just not sure if you should be basing a purchase on one outlet's review in either case. I mean I do get the argument, I really do, but I just was pointing out there are other ways.

      Beyond that, I'm not in the reviewer's head so I can't tell you what is important to him or not. I do know not every reviewer likes to write 10,000 word reviews, so he chose to focus on a couple things and move on from there.

      I don't mind the criticism of the review though, I will say that. I think it's fine to critique the review and even the outlet in a constructive way because it's not going to hurt anything -- probably can only help it.
      Agreed, but like it or not, you guys have had the success and now have the following to warrant people looking to you as experts or at least a very strong authority on sporting games.

      You are a victim of your own success here and are going to have a tough time using the I am not a role model defense.

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      • DirtyCobra
        Pro
        • Mar 2009
        • 620

        #63
        Re: Backbreaker Review

        Originally posted by TombSong
        I think the biggest mistake the Devs made for this game is not have some sort of mode where people could practice passing.

        I remember my first impression of the game was, this aint good, and that was mainly stemming from my own inability to play the way I wanted to play.

        Once you learn the game, you can see how good this game can be. Its a shame peoples frustrations are gonna win out over taking the time to learn what the game has to offer. Its also most of the reviews given of the game are by people who really don't know how to play the game.

        The devs should really look at adding a practice mode as DLC and patch for the other issues.

        I
        I agree!!! At the beginning I thought this game is ok, but the passing was terrible. Once I grasped it this game really came alive. I am having a harder time running the ball than I am passing now. I just wish they had a larger playbook.
        Last edited by DirtyCobra; 06-09-2010, 02:13 PM.

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        • swaldo
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 1268

          #64
          Re: Backbreaker Review

          Originally posted by ChaseB
          Ha, I must say I'm happy I don't review football games, or really any games at this point, because it's tough to be a reviewer. I think you are being intentionally snarky (I love some good snark) because even if you don't agree with the review(s), I'm pretty sure everyone feels pretty strongly that gameplay is all-important. Whether that shines through in the writing is another argument I suppose.
          Ok, I'll admit I'm still pouting because we should be playing APF2K11 this year. 2K8 had probably the best gameplay in a football game ever (at least since 2K5 or Madden 2004) but all the reviews bashed it for being too generic. Well, that would've changed if it hung on a couple more years.

          I feel the same way with Backbreaker, in that if it can manage to hang on we're going to be playing some nice football in the future. If anything I wish the review would've emphasized that instead of harping on turnovers.

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          • Dogslax41
            MVP
            • Aug 2003
            • 1901

            #65
            Re: Backbreaker Review

            Originally posted by DirtyCobra
            I agree!!! At the beginning I thought this game is ok, but the passing was terrible. Once I grasped it this game really came alive. I am having a harder time running the ball than I am passing now. I just wish they had a larger playbook.
            Offensively I have found that you can get use to the game, but the more you get use to it, the more it begins to reveal the AI deficiencies. I have done everything to set the table against myself (Pro, Hard setting, random and very poor form, creating a super team and playing against it using a bare bones team, using only coach pick plays) and I still cant get the cpu to consistently beat me or even put up a consistent fight. Hopefully with Finn's editor this will change.

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            • mestevo
              Gooney Goo Goo
              • Apr 2010
              • 19556

              #66
              Re: Backbreaker Review

              Originally posted by swaldo
              ... if it can manage to hang on we're going to be playing some nice football in the future. If anything I wish the review would've emphasized that ...
              This is a flawed view though, people are reviewing the game in the packaging, not the game that it could be after a patch, or after half a decade of refinement.
              Last edited by mestevo; 06-09-2010, 02:21 PM.

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              • mbmonk
                Rookie
                • Dec 2002
                • 68

                #67
                Re: Backbreaker Review

                Originally posted by TombSong
                I remember my first impression of the game was, this aint good, and that was mainly stemming from my own inability to play the way I wanted to play.

                Once you learn the game, you can see how good this game can be. Its a shame peoples frustrations are gonna win out over taking the time to learn what the game has to offer. Its also most of the reviews given of the game are by people who really don't know how to play the game.

                The devs should really look at adding a practice mode as DLC and patch for the other issues.
                People try to play this game as if it's Madden or 2k. That doesn't work. You have to learn how to play THIS game. So some reviewers tried to play it like Madden and they sucked at it.. then went to write up a review.

                The people who actually tried to learn how to play this new game ( and not just apply their Madden logic), saw a different game than the above people.

                But at the end of the day BB has major problems. And as great as the game is, it just wasn't ready for release in it's current state. It needed much more polish. So it's hard to give this game a great score from a review standpoint.

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                • ChaseB
                  #BringBackFaceuary
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 9844

                  #68
                  Re: Backbreaker Review

                  Originally posted by Dogslax41
                  Agreed, but like it or not, you guys have had the success and now have the following to warrant people looking to you as experts or at least a very strong authority on sporting games.

                  You are a victim of your own success here and are going to have a tough time using the I am not a role model defense.
                  I don't disagree with the point, I just don't think a "review" is where we have to earn our keep or get buried. If we provide "expertise" all along the way, then the review shouldn't be the ultimate element of coverage. I do think it's important to have solid coverage throughout and up through the review, but a review is inherently going to cause issues with the readers -- they have opinions as well and won't always like what a reviewer says and so forth.
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                  • Dogslax41
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1901

                    #69
                    Re: Backbreaker Review

                    Originally posted by mestevo
                    This is a flawed view though, people are reviewing the game in the packaging, not the game that it could be after a patch, or after half a decade of refinement.
                    I agree with this as well. As much as I want that to be true and in my opinion think the same thing, we really have no way of knowing and I don't think we want reviewers taking potential into account at all. They should only review what is in front of them and then its up to us if we want to buy into potential.

                    That would be very similar to another football game that dissapoints yearly only to have many the next year say all over again, "just wait and see...this will be the year."

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                    • DirtyCobra
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 620

                      #70
                      Re: Backbreaker Review

                      Originally posted by Dogslax41
                      Offensively I have found that you can get use to the game, but the more you get use to it, the more it begins to reveal the AI deficiencies. I have done everything to set the table against myself (Pro, Hard setting, random and very poor form, creating a super team and playing against it using a bare bones team, using only coach pick plays) and I still cant get the cpu to consistently beat me or even put up a consistent fight. Hopefully with Finn's editor this will change.
                      I played a game last night..Skins vs Cowboys...I was up 24-6 at halftime.....CPU comes back and beats me 26-24. Romo throws a 24 yd strike to Bryant. I am finding that the game does offer me some challenge.

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                      • Jistic
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 16405

                        #71
                        Re: Backbreaker Review

                        I got no problem with the review. I would maybe make it a 6 myself. This game has some huge issues that it's followers just don't see as a big deal but many other people do. The could do a lot with this base if they want to though. I thought the review was fair, just a little short.
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                        • gr18
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 2319

                          #72
                          Re: Backbreaker Review

                          I'm disappointed that this game got 'reviewed' this way here but it doesn't surprise me.I respect my opinion and that's it,nobody elses.I'm quite sure what kinda reviews we'll see for the other 2 football games coming.I won't trust those either because I believe when it comes to those games reviewers are playing with a fixed hand if you get my drift.

                          On a side note;
                          Let's see if Finn's editor can help this game out with getting int's reasonable.
                          Last edited by gr18; 06-09-2010, 02:37 PM.

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                          • Dogslax41
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 1901

                            #73
                            Re: Backbreaker Review

                            Originally posted by ChaseB
                            I don't disagree with the point, I just don't think a "review" is where we have to earn our keep or get buried. If we provide "expertise" all along the way, then the review shouldn't be the ultimate element of coverage. I do think it's important to have solid coverage throughout and up through the review, but a review is inherently going to cause issues with the readers -- they have opinions as well and won't always like what a reviewer says and so forth.
                            Agree again and didn't mean to imply that I though a bad review would be the measure of you earning your keep or getting burried. In fact, I personally 100% disagree wih the opinion of the UFC review and I personally think that is a broken game that was rated very high by the OS reviewer, but also think he did a good job throwing all the pros and cons out there. It just happened to be that the good points fell in areas that he valued and he was able to overlook the negatives and still have a fun experience. My only issue here was I felt the reviewer did a poor job reviewing the game not so much what his review was.

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                            • Dogslax41
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 1901

                              #74
                              Re: Backbreaker Review

                              Originally posted by DirtyCobra
                              I played a game last night..Skins vs Cowboys...I was up 24-6 at halftime.....CPU comes back and beats me 26-24. Romo throws a 24 yd strike to Bryant. I am finding that the game does offer me some challenge.

                              I would love to have that experience, it just hasn't happened for me yet and I think I have a pretty good sample size completed. I continue playing though remaining hopeful that someday the cpu will surprise me.
                              Last edited by Dogslax41; 06-09-2010, 02:37 PM.

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                              • Skyboxer
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 20302

                                #75
                                I agree with the score. While I've seen better written and organized reviews, the bulk of what is said is correct. The game really isn't that good.......
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