NBA Elite 11 Video: Vision Developer Diary

**SageInfinite** · 06-10-2010, 01:11 AM

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I think hockey guy is a great name. I hope it sticks(no pun intended).

23 · 06-10-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by ehh

@ 23, did you read my post in the first page addressing the shooting/luck thing?

I think you're taking a much different meaning than what Hockey Guy is implying. He's solely talking about the user, not all the under the hood stuff. Again, in the past all that mattered from a control perspective from the user was timing the release point properly. That's it. So you'd basically time your release and hope the shot went in. Nothing the user does effects if the shot is short, long, right or left. If you missed, how the shot was off target was completely random. In theory, that's going to change in Elite. Like I mentioned earlier, think Tiger Woods.

Ratings, the player's range, etc are not controlled by the user.

And if you're that upset with his comment about it being luck, well he is a hockey guy after all. Probably hasn't spent much time with basketball games in his past, he made one dumb comment. I don't think it's anything to get too riled up about.

Im not upset about anything man, but your last sentence doesn't make this sound good at all.

I did see your first post, but I'll leave it at that because there was good and bad, and im not seeing what was so impressive, but thats just me.

Still way early. Football games arent even out yet

**thissiteisbiased** · 06-10-2010, 01:18 AM

2K has had stick controlled shooting since 2K6 so this is being overly hyped by EA as usual. I will play demo and give a fair shot, but don't see them beating 2K or coming near in any area other than hyping themselves up as usual.

**statum71** · 06-10-2010, 01:21 AM

Not feeling the idea of the gamer having total control over whether or not the shot goes in...that means you can make just about ANYBODY a great shooter with stick skills. I just don't think thats realistic.

**rockchisler** · 06-10-2010, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by thissiteisbiased

2K has had stick controlled shooting since 2K6 so this is being overly hyped by EA as usual. I will play demo and give a fair shot, but don't see them beating 2K or coming near in any area other than hyping themselves up as usual.

They have but this shot stick is different then 2k

**thissiteisbiased** · 06-10-2010, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by rockchisler

They have but this shot stick is different then 2k

How are you so sure of that? Can you explain?

**Greene_Flash03** · 06-10-2010, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by statum71

Not feeling the idea of the gamer having total control over whether or not the shot goes in...that means you can make just about ANYBODY a great shooter with stick skills. I just don't think thats realistic.

I'm sure player ratings will be involved also.. No need to worry..

**RayDog253** · 06-10-2010, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by ehh

@ 23, did you read my post in the first page addressing the shooting/luck thing?

I think you're taking a much different meaning than what Hockey Guy is implying. He's solely talking about the user, not all the under the hood stuff. Again, in the past all that mattered from a control perspective from the user was timing the release point properly. That's it. So you'd basically time your release and hope the shot went in. Nothing the user does effects if the shot is short, long, right or left. If you missed, how the shot was off target was completely random. In theory, that's going to change in Elite. Like I mentioned earlier, think Tiger Woods.

Ratings, the player's range, etc are not controlled by the user.

And if you're that upset with his comment about it being luck, well he is a hockey guy after all. Probably hasn't spent much time with basketball games in his past, he made one dumb comment. I don't think it's anything to get too riled up about.

This is my perspective on the whole "skill" vs "luck" argument as well.

**parkinson** · 06-10-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by thissiteisbiased

How are you so sure of that? Can you explain?

Of course he can sure of it. I think you'd better read Gamespot interview to understand him.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-gamespot.html

**eye guy** · 06-10-2010, 05:30 AM

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I don't understand this skill thing either. I agree with Statums comment, and in reply to Green_flash., if ratings have anything to do with it, doesn't that go against the skill needed?

The whole skill vs luck argument is pointless if ratings has anything to do with shooting, laying ups and dunks, imo.

**Behindshadows** · 06-10-2010, 05:39 AM

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Jumpshot is just plain ugly. I know it's early, but I need to see more. They need to stop making videos or ruff edges, it's discouraging.

Especially on a site like Gametrailers.com. That site is followed deeply of EA Sports haters and people who are fed up with them.

They need to do a better job of marketing this title and leave Live's name out of every piece of it.

**tabulaRasa** · 06-10-2010, 05:52 AM

All I see is EA propaganda 101. They even tried to add the Littman effect.
Wang left EA because they aren´t SIM minded....
Name change and propaganda? Hm....

**JulesMendoza** · 06-10-2010, 06:06 AM

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"Most realistic basketball game you'll ever play"..... really huh? i hope so....

**idrisguitar** · 06-10-2010, 06:53 AM

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call me cynacil. but this all seems like a marketing ploy. the 1 on 1 gameplay means nothing. nba live 10 looked beautiful to watch in the gameplay videos pre release last year, then we all played it and realised that it was simply fundamentally wrong.

a lot of what they said in the video was meaningless marketing talk. trying to basically talk down and insult all of the features they have finally improved in order to make these improvements seem massive is a simple but effective ploy.

also somone said in this topic that we have got the bad end of the stick this generation with basketball games and i would have to totally agree. (along with the nfl crowd of course, cause madden is the epitome of a ripoff)

nba 2k and nba live are just upscaled last generation games, and 5 years in, that is just inexcusable, its actually atrocious when you think about it. nhl, and fifa from ea went through evolutions because they had to in order to complete, and they turned into two of the best sports simulations ever made. so for that i do have hope for elit, but i wont get hyped like i did with live 10, and will wait for a demo.

real time physics, 100% control, and realistic AI behaviour should all be things we should have at this point. but BOTH 2k and EA have been lazy in the nba game front and we have not come close to this. fingers crossed ea make the first jump like they did with nhl and fifa, and leave 2k in the dust, because 2k have milked their great last gen engine for way to long and i personally am fed up with the incomplete glitchy games they put out every year now.

**Live_4real** · 06-10-2010, 07:43 AM

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I understand gamers talking about the pass, all the Live/2k being lazy, etc, etc, let´s be real, this thread is about a video, It should not make anyone jump into conclusions about the game, it is too early

You can say that you are not impressed, or maybe you are, but you can´t say that all of what EA has said about the game is hype, and then because you see videos like this, you say the game will suck.

Talking about the game, real time physics should always be in any game, as a matter of fact, in sports game, it is even more important, I wan´t to have 100% control of what my players do(or close to it), because if I make a mistake I will be pissed, but I know I was the one that did it, not the cpu

When I see people say that what kills Live 10 is lack of animations, In my opinion, what kill sports games, and Basketball games in particular, is animations, because when player A is making an Y animation and player B is making X animation, when they collide in mid-air, they should do another animation right??? After that my question will be, what can the user do, when the animations are happening??? nothing

The only moment I will accept having animations in Nba is when the players dive for the ball when they are going out of bounds, because there you should not have any control, because NBA players when diving for the ball, they don´t have any control on where the ball goes next

Having said that, what I see in this video of improvement over Live 10(without having played so much time as maybe all of you had) Is "supposedly" bigger control of what the user do to impact the actual play, and smoother player movements.

For those of you that critic the visual of the game, I will say, what in my opinion EA, will do, this year, the gameplay will have a major improvement, because that, is what maintained them at the top of basketball games, sort of like what happens in PES over FIFA, gameplay, and next year, they will make huge improvements in visual, crowd, etc

That is what i think, they will do, because in 1 year it is almost impossible to make huge strides in gameplay like Live needed to do, to put the game in another level, and make a huge upgrade in visuals, like they clearly needed to do to even to compete, like they need to do, in my opinion

Pleasure for being a part of the community

PeAcE

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