NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

[Qb]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

Specially when forechecking, you'll see skaters sometimes rushing puck handler and sometimes going in a more energy saver type of forechecking and avoid costly stop and go by just patrolling offensive zone describing long arc. My questions:

- did you see this 2 kinds of behaviour by the CPU ?
- is a stop and go cost more (fatigue) than just turning with a long arc pattern ?

thx
Mark

I'm sorry, Mark, but at this point I can only answer questions about the topics in the thread title.

[Money99]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

QB, did the deking feeling different when using different players of varying skill?
Were you able to pull of those special dekes with a grinder?

[b3organ]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

handing your stick to a teammate... that could be problematic with the righty/lefty issue

There might be an update (that I'm not aware of) but when I last checked Vicodin & Co. said (at EA forum) that you may end up with wrong blade (is that right word with sticks?) and at the meantime the effect of that was unknown (they were guessing... an attribute loss maybe?).

[Qb]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

There might be an update (that I'm not aware of) but when I last checked Vicodin & Co. said (at EA forum) that you may end up with wrong blade (is that right word with sticks?) and at the meantime the effect of that was unknown (they were guessing... an attribute loss maybe?).

That sounds about right, but I didn't have my notes with me when I replied earlier. Didn't want to give out false info.

QB, did the deking feeling different when using different players of varying skill?
Were you able to pull of those special dekes with a grinder?

I'd say there was some difference, but probably not as much as many of us would like to see. I'm not Mr. Super Deke so I wasn't trying them all over the ice with everyone, but I did have several unsuccessful ones, some even with top players. IIRC, deking/puck control was something Redshirt was still tuning and wasn't quite there on the build we played. Almost all of us agreed during the feedback session that there needs to be some ratings impact on what could and couldn't be done.

On a related note, I tried to play with something similar to my NHL10 sliders, including puck control @ zero, to see if that changed anything. J warned me that might not be a good idea and he was right. Didn't make it out of the 1st period.

[TDKing]

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Ratings really need to have a major impact on players abilities to pull off these dekes, offline and ONLINE in all modes. EA do it right... please.

[Vikes1]

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Qb...kind of along the same line of question as Money asked,,,did the varying players just in normal skating feel different? I mean beyond their speed and acceleration. Such as being able to kind of feel their weight difference? Ie...the way they "handled". For lack of a better word.

[vicodin14]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

QB, did the deking feeling different when using different players of varying skill?
Were you able to pull of those special dekes with a grinder?

For the build we have, all players were able to pull of the moves. But it was mentioned this would be changed prior to release.

There might be an update (that I'm not aware of) but when I last checked Vicodin & Co. said (at EA forum) that you may end up with wrong blade (is that right word with sticks?) and at the meantime the effect of that was unknown (they were guessing... an attribute loss maybe?).

yes you will end up with the wrong stick. I spoke to jason and we discussed how it would add a negative effect to your shoot, passing and puck control. However if that ended up being possible is still in question.

Ratings really need to have a major impact on players abilities to pull off these dekes, offline and ONLINE in all modes. EA do it right... please.

as mentioned above, this is being discussed

Qb...kind of along the same line of question as Money asked,,,did the varying players just in normal skating feel different? I mean beyond their speed and acceleration. Such as being able to kind of feel their weight difference? Ie...the way they "handled". For lack of a better word.

not really, in my opinion. You still had the larger (taller) skaters feel slower and less agile on the ice, but weight wasn't a noticable thing. (mainly because the hit sliders were turned up when i played)

[Qb]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

Qb...kind of along the same line of question as Money asked,,,did the varying players just in normal skating feel different? I mean beyond their speed and acceleration. Such as being able to kind of feel their weight difference? Ie...the way they "handled". For lack of a better word.

not really, in my opinion. You still had the larger (taller) skaters feel slower and less agile on the ice, but weight wasn't a noticable thing. (mainly because the hit sliders were turned up when i played)

Hmmm, starting to stretch the boundaries of the "physics" topic... Not sure if I tell a difference between players of various weights either. But, I think I mentioned before that I felt players on the whole (and the puck) had more weight to them, especially in the more polished build we played the second day.

On that note, I can't answer anymore questions until Sunday night at the earliest. Heading out of town -- yet again -- for the weekend. Adios muchachos.

[swil]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

they need to improve AI..... big time.

[swil]

Re: NHL 11: Physics, Faceoffs, Broken Sticks, & New Dekes

like wingers and the point playing "pong" in the attack zone, pass happy teammates that ignore wide open shots, soft defense players on the rush (they react waay too late), etc.

I'd also like to see more random fights happen between scrappy AI players; feels unrealistic when your player is the only one starting fights out there.

[swil]

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also maybe some goal displacements when a dives into the gaol head first

[SinisterAlex]

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I didn't notice it being an issue, just as it wasn't an issue with the old system. If you go early, it usually hurts your chances of winning the draw, at least that was my experience. I guess we won't know for sure until it goes through the rigors of versus & OTP where people will cheat like their lives are on the line.

Ya but like you said in your previous answer to my post, it might affect online. Plus it would be killer to have this for offline game modes... oh well always NHL 12.

[Bama83]

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Ya but like you said in your previous answer to my post, it might affect online. Plus it would be killer to have this for offline game modes... oh well always NHL 12.

If it's an issue of "online" then make faceoof switching an option that is turned off during online competition.

Or give players a delay of game penalties or remove their ability to go early on faceoffs after so many "mistakes". Something like 5 in a row or 20 in the entire game - anything more removes their ability to take a draw and puts it in the hands of the CPU.

[CubFan23]

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they need to improve AI..... big time.

This ^^

[Pringles]

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if they added physics i guess i am not to sure what all that will mean. once i play it i will know. but il take a stab at what i invision it will be. first let me say if you can hit someone on the ice and they will all act differently to the contact this must mean you can run into the goalie. and if you can run into the goalie and displace him from the net then i also invision playing online and seing people play together and one smashing into the goalie on purpose while the other shoots, getting a cheap goal so with this being said there must be some new penalties going to be inplace to prevent things like this as well as goal review.

any thoughts to what i just wrote ?